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Việt Nam - Trung Hoa núi liền núi, sông liền sông

Hồ Chí Minh - Mao Trạch Đông!
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Yuènán zhōngguó shānliánshān shuǐliánshuǐ

Húzhìmíng Máozédōng
Viet Nam - Chinese are still here, But uncle Ho and chairman Mao were gone, and our relationship went to dark time before the storm.
If Chinese still want friendship like daybreak, they should retreat that rig and their force, so dark clouds will gone, sun light can come back as well as our relationship.
 
Because we can solve this problem in a peaceful way.In addition,if some Southeast Asian country keeps trying our patience, we will start a war to let it know who is the leader of Asia.
Avoid Such Answers....!! Plz
 
The U.S. Shadow

South China Sea disputes are in danger of escalating as some Southeast Asian countries exploit perceived U.S. backing

By Yu Lintao

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BEACH ASSAULT: Filipino and U.S. marines on a reconnaissance boat ride during a beach assault exercise facing the South China Sea in San Antonio Town, Zambales Province, near the main Philippine Luzon Island on May 9 (CFP)

Even though China exercised restraint in the face of recent provocations by the Philippines and Viet Nam in the South China Sea, Beijing did not gain the goodwill of the two Southeast Asian countries in response. Disregarding China's opposition, the Philippines charged nine of the 11 Chinese fishermen seized by its police while fishing in waters off Half Moon Shoal, which is under China's jurisdiction. And Viet Nam has continued to stir up nationalist sentiment against China, aiming to pressure Beijing into discontinuing a Chinese oil company's drilling operations in waters off China's Xisha Islands.

However, the current tensions in the South China Sea are neither incidental nor coincidental. Observers have noted that as the United States continues efforts to shift its focus to the Asia-Pacific, some regional countries are exploiting the situation to meet their own agenda. Actions taken by the United States to beef up military ties with its regional allies have also taken a toll on regional stability, with irresponsible remarks by U.S. officials regarding the incidents further complicating settlement of the disputes.

Fishing for trouble

On May 6, the Philippine police detained a Chinese fishing boat Qiongqionghai 09063 and the 11 Chinese fishermen on board in waters off Half Moon Shoal of the Nansha Islands, two days after Manila and Washington launched their annual "shoulder to shoulder" military exercise.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry urged the Philippines to release the detained fishermen and their boat as the Half Moon Shoal is traditionally a major Chinese fishing base and China has undisputable sovereign rights over the area. However, the Philippine side ignored China's request and charged the fishermen with poaching endangered turtle species.

Luo Yuan, a retired major general and Executive Vice President of the Beijing-based China Strategic Culture Promotion Association, believed that the move taken by the Philippines is in violation of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

In a recent article published on the Chinese news outlet Global Times, Luo commented that if the fishermen were poaching endangered species around the Half Moon Shoal, the Philippines should have informed China, as the waters are under China's jurisdiction. The Philippine side had no right to make the arrests, he added.

Wang Xiaopeng, a sea waters researcher at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), said the Philippines is exploiting its alliance with the United States in the midst of its "pivot-to-Asia" strategy.

"The incident happened shortly after U.S. President Barack Obama's latest trip to Manila, so it's clear that the Philippines aims to lure the United States into its maritime disputes with China to test whether Washington is committed to strengthening military ties," Wang said.

During Obama's visit, Washington and Manila signed a 10-year-long Mutual Defense Treaty to increase the U.S. troop presence in the Southeast Asian country. Obama also pledged "ironclad" backing for the Philippines.

With regards to the latest moves by Manila, the GMA News, a major commercial television and radio network in the Philippines, said Obama's visit was an indication that they have acquired the United States' protection.

Since Obama left the Philippines, Manila has taken a series of provocative actions in the South China Sea. On May 3, the Philippine air force airdropped supplies to marines stationed on its old transport ship illegally stationed on China's Ren'ai Reef. The next day, the "shoulder-to-shoulder" drill was held at the maritime and land areas near the South China Sea. On May 6, after the Philippine police detained the Chinese fishing boat, former Philippine senator Ramos Shahani openly trumpeted the idea of allowing the United States to set up military bases on the Ren'ai Reef and Huangyan Island. Almost at the same time, a senior military officer of the Philippines unexpectedly posed a "defense plan concerning the South China Sea" through the Kyodo News Agency of Japan, advocating more actions to arm the islands and reefs in the disputed waters.

Wang said the series of moves by the Philippines were carefully planned. "As the U.S.-Philippine joint drill goes on, Manila's provocation of Beijing is meant to test whether Washington's commitments are merely empty talk," he said.

Wang also mentioned that current social and economic problems within the Philippines have led politicians to shift public attention to the tussle with China over the maritime disputes.

Diplomatic disarray

China's Xinhua News Agency reported that from May 3 to 7, about 36 Viet Nam vessels, including warships, intruded into waters near a Chinese oil rig in waters off the Xisha Islands to harass the drilling operation and ram Chinese boats.

The reports said Vietnamese frogmen were found just five meters away from Chinese ships in an act of intimidation, in addition to illegal placement of numerous broken fishing nets and other large obstacles in the waters that endanger passing ships and vessels. The Chinese ships eventually fought back with water cannons.

As the tension built, the United States ignored the harassment by the Vietnamese and instead accused China of "provocation."

U.S. State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki said in a statement that China's deployment of an oil rig in the South China Sea was "provocative." John Kerry, U.S. Secretary of State on May 12 also described China's self-defense maneuvers as "aggressive."

In response to the U.S. officials' remarks, Beijing urged Washington to reflect on its stance on the South China Sea.

"There is indeed a country taking provocative actions in the South China Sea, but this country is not China," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said at a daily press briefing on May 13. "The recent series of irresponsible and factually incorrect comments from the United States have encouraged certain countries' dangerous and provocative behavior."

"We expect the United States to reflect on its acts. If it indeed expects the Pacific Ocean to be pacific, it should consider what role it can play in maintaining regional peace and stability," Hua added.

Observers claimed that the intervention of outside parties have further complicated the security situation of the South China Sea and even the whole Asia-Pacific. It is neither helpful for the settlement of the disputes nor conducive to the lasting peace and stability of the region.

If the United States continues to incite the governments of some regional countries, peace can hardly be achieved in the South China Sea, Wang with the CASS said.
 
Philippines, Indonesia finalize text of agreement on Exclusive Economic Zone boundary
Published: May 19, 2014.
From the Department of Foreign Affairs

The Philippines and Indonesia ended the 20-year-old negotiations for the delimitation of their overlapping exclusive economic zones (EEZs) in the Mindanao and Celebes Seas with the completion and finalization of the text of the Agreement and the chart on the EEZ Boundary.

Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs’ (DFA) Undersecretary for Policy Evan Garcia, and Indonesia Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ Acting Director-General for Legal Affairs and International Treaties Wiwiek Setyawati Firman have endorsed the signing of the “Agreement between the Republic of the Philippines and the Republic of Indonesia Concerning the Delimitation of the Exclusive Economic Zone Boundary” by their respective governments.

The two officials presided over the 8th Meeting of the Joint Permanent Working Group on Maritime and Ocean Concerns (JPWG-MOC) held on May 18 in Jakarta, where the two countries reviewed the text of the Agreement, and the chart showing the EEZ Boundary.

“The conclusion of the negotiations attests to the friendship, patience, goodwill and commitment of the Governments of the Philippines and Indonesia to peacefully address maritime issues. This is a significant contribution to, and an example of, reasonable efforts to build a stable and peaceful regional community, in consideration of the interests of countries concerned and in accordance with international law,” Garcia noted in his opening remarks.

Garcia also stressed the importance of a clearly defined maritime boundary between the Philippines and Indonesia, as it will “promote more cooperation in the EEZ in order to advance our common interest of managing and preserving the resources in the EEZ for the benefit of our peoples.”

He added that the Philippines learned so many lessons in the 20-year negotiations on the delimitation of the overlapping EEZs, particularly on the principles and the methods that were applied to reach an EEZ boundary line. Philippine Ambassador to Indonesia Maria Rosario Aguinaldo and Gilberto Asuque—Head of the Philippine Technical Working Group on Maritime Boundary Delimitation, and Deputy Chief of Mission of the Philippine Embassy in Tokyo—assisted Garcia during the meeting, along with the other members of the Philippine delegation.

The 8th meeting of the JPWG-MOC was preceded by the 4th Preparatory Meeting of the Technical Team held on May 17 also in Jakarta, where the diplomats, hydrographers, and cartographers from the two countries prepared the text of the Agreement and the details of the chart for the consideration of the 8th JPWG-MOC.

Asuque and Mr. Octavino—Director for Political, Security and Territorial Treaties, and Head of the Indonesian Technical Working Group on Maritime Boundary Delimitation—led their respective technical panels in the preparatory meeting for the 8th JPWG-MOC.

Garcia and Firman exchanged copies of the Record of Discussion of the 8th JPWG-MOC, which includes the draft Agreement and the chart that they endorsed for signing by Philippine Secretary of Foreign Affairs Albert del Rosario and Indonesian Foreign Minister R.M. Marty Natalegawa at the soonest possible time.

The charts illustrating the EEZ Boundary were signed for the Philippines by National Mapping and Resources Information Authority (NAMRIA) Administrator Peter Tiangco, and NAMRIA Hydrography Branch Director Jacinto Cablayan. Meanwhile, Geospatial Information Agency Head Asep Karsidi, and Indonesian Navy’s Chief Hydrographer Dede Yuliadi signed the charts on behalf of the Indonesian government.

The Philippines and Indonesia commenced the negotiations for the delimitation of their overlapping EEZs in June 1994 with the establishment of the JPWG-MOC, with its Sub-Working Groups and the Joint Technical Team. The JPWG-MOC and Technical Team held series of alternating meetings from 1994 to 2014 in the Philippines and Indonesia to come up with a delimitation line for the overlapping EEZs in the Mindanao and Celebes Seas.

The signing of the Agreement on the EEZ Boundary is the culmination of 20 years of negotiations by diplomatic and technical representatives of the two archipelagic states to find an equitable solution to their overlapping EEZs.
 
China building artificial island in South China Sea

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Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows land reclamation ongoing at Johnson South Reef in the South China Sea. Images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 15 May 2014 (left) show the progress of construction on the reef from 13 March 2012 to 11 March 2014. (CNES 2014, Distribution Astrium Services/Spot Image S.A./IHS)

China is attempting to bolster its presence in the South China Sea by creating an artificial island on a reef in the disputed Spratly Islands.

Satellite imagery provided by Airbus Defence and Space corroborates images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs that shows major land reclamation on Johnson South Reef, which is claimed by Manila as Mabini Reef, as Chigua Reef by China and Gac Ma by Vietnam.

Johnson South Reef was at the centre of a 1998 confrontation between China and Vietnam that left more than 70 Vietnamese personnel dead. After taking control of the reef China built a concrete platform and installed radio and communications equipment.

The images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs show that since February 2013 there has been extensive dredging of the atoll to create an islet around the platform. Other concrete structures have also been constructed.

The ministry said the construction appeared to be designed to support an airstrip and said it was "destabilising and in violation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DoC) and international law. Mabini Reef is part of the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) which is part of Philippine territory".

The DoC was signed by China and the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) in 2002 and seeks to "promote a peaceful, friendly, and harmonious environment in the South China Sea between ASEAN and China".

Article 5 of the DoC states that the parties will "undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features".

Local media reported that Manila estimates the reclamation to have turned the reef and a sand bar into a 30-hectare (74-acre) islet.

In Beijing Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying reiterated China's "indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha [Spratly] Islands including Chigua Reef and the contiguous waters. Whatever construction China carries out in the Chigua Reef is completely within China's sovereignty".

US State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf said Washington was aware of the reports and that "major upgrades or the militarisation of disputed land features in the South China Sea by any claimant has the potential to raise tensions".

COMMENT
China is the only major claimant to the Spratly islands not to have an island with an airstrip, so the construction under way at Johnson South Reef may be an attempt to rectify this situation. It is also not the only claimant to be bolstering its presence in the islands: Vietnam has conducted substantial land reclamation to create a harbour on Southwest Cay, while Taiwan is currently building a pier on Itu Aba (Taiping) island.

The construction at Johnson South Reef comes as China and Vietnam are sparring over the presence of a Chinese oil rig in Vietnam's claimed exclusive economic zone. It also suggests that China is looking to present other claimant nations with a fait accompli should any negotiated settlement on the Spratlys be agreed.

In the meantime, Beijing has strongly defended its actions in both the oil rig and Johnson South Reef cases and rejected attempts to deal with them on a multilateral basis. "The issue of the South China Sea is not one between China and ASEAN," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua said on 10 May after Vietnam attempted to raise the issue at the annual ASEAN summit meeting held in Myanmar.

"China is opposed to certain country's scheme of spoiling the atmosphere of friendly co-operation between China and ASEAN by making use of the issue of the South China Sea," she added.

China building artificial island in South China Sea - IHS Jane's 360
 
I would have thought that since the battle at Johnson Reef in 1998, that Vietnam would have created some sort of deterrence against China such as nuclear weapon or alliances with strong countries (not Russia or India). Its a pity that Vietnamese sailors died at the Johnson Reef battle in vain.

Regarding the Scarborough shoal situation, the US mediate between the Philipine and China whereby both sides promise to withdraw their coast guard ships. The Philipine withdraw her ships, while China renege on her promise and kept her ships there ever since. If we take the Philipine situation as a guide, I doubt very much that China will pull her rig out as "promise" in August. It's this worse case scenario that Hanoi prays doesnt happen. If it does happen then Vietnam's economy is on a downward spiral with more street protests.

Indonesia and Malaysia should learn from the sad lessons of Vietnam and Philipine and try not to make the same mistakes.



China building artificial island in South China Sea

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Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows land reclamation ongoing at Johnson South Reef in the South China Sea. Images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 15 May 2014 (left) show the progress of construction on the reef from 13 March 2012 to 11 March 2014. (CNES 2014, Distribution Astrium Services/Spot Image S.A./IHS)

China is attempting to bolster its presence in the South China Sea by creating an artificial island on a reef in the disputed Spratly Islands.

Satellite imagery provided by Airbus Defence and Space corroborates images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs that shows major land reclamation on Johnson South Reef, which is claimed by Manila as Mabini Reef, as Chigua Reef by China and Gac Ma by Vietnam.

Johnson South Reef was at the centre of a 1998 confrontation between China and Vietnam that left more than 70 Vietnamese personnel dead. After taking control of the reef China built a concrete platform and installed radio and communications equipment.

The images released by the Philippine Ministry of Foreign Affairs show that since February 2013 there has been extensive dredging of the atoll to create an islet around the platform. Other concrete structures have also been constructed.

The ministry said the construction appeared to be designed to support an airstrip and said it was "destabilising and in violation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DoC) and international law. Mabini Reef is part of the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) which is part of Philippine territory".

The DoC was signed by China and the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) in 2002 and seeks to "promote a peaceful, friendly, and harmonious environment in the South China Sea between ASEAN and China".

Article 5 of the DoC states that the parties will "undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features".

Local media reported that Manila estimates the reclamation to have turned the reef and a sand bar into a 30-hectare (74-acre) islet.

In Beijing Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying reiterated China's "indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha [Spratly] Islands including Chigua Reef and the contiguous waters. Whatever construction China carries out in the Chigua Reef is completely within China's sovereignty".

US State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf said Washington was aware of the reports and that "major upgrades or the militarisation of disputed land features in the South China Sea by any claimant has the potential to raise tensions".

COMMENT
China is the only major claimant to the Spratly islands not to have an island with an airstrip, so the construction under way at Johnson South Reef may be an attempt to rectify this situation. It is also not the only claimant to be bolstering its presence in the islands: Vietnam has conducted substantial land reclamation to create a harbour on Southwest Cay, while Taiwan is currently building a pier on Itu Aba (Taiping) island.

The construction at Johnson South Reef comes as China and Vietnam are sparring over the presence of a Chinese oil rig in Vietnam's claimed exclusive economic zone. It also suggests that China is looking to present other claimant nations with a fait accompli should any negotiated settlement on the Spratlys be agreed.

In the meantime, Beijing has strongly defended its actions in both the oil rig and Johnson South Reef cases and rejected attempts to deal with them on a multilateral basis. "The issue of the South China Sea is not one between China and ASEAN," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua said on 10 May after Vietnam attempted to raise the issue at the annual ASEAN summit meeting held in Myanmar.

"China is opposed to certain country's scheme of spoiling the atmosphere of friendly co-operation between China and ASEAN by making use of the issue of the South China Sea," she added.
 
I would have thought that since the battle at Johnson Reef in 1998, that Vietnam would have created some sort of deterrence against China such as nuclear weapon or alliances with strong countries (not Russia or India). Its a pity that Vietnamese sailors died at the Johnson Reef battle in vain.

Regarding the Scarborough shoal situation, the US mediate between the Philipine and China whereby both sides promise to withdraw their coast guard ships. The Philipine withdraw her ships, while China renege on her promise and kept her ships there ever since. If we take the Philipine situation as a guide, I doubt very much that China will pull her rig out as "promise" in August. It's this worse case scenario that Hanoi prays doesnt happen. If it does happen then Vietnam's economy is on a downward spiral with more street protests.

Indonesia and Malaysia should learn from the sad lessons of Vietnam and Philipine and try not to make the same mistakes.
What's lesson with VN case then ... !?
And "Vietnam's economy is on a downward spiral with more street protests" !?
 
What's lesson with VN case then ... !?
And "Vietnam's economy is on a downward spiral with more street protests" !?
I would have thought that since the battle at Johnson Reef in 1998, that Vietnam would have created some sort of deterrence against China such as nuclear weapon or alliances with strong countries (not Russia or India). Its a pity that Vietnamese sailors died at the Johnson Reef battle in vain.

Regarding the Scarborough shoal situation, the US mediate between the Philipine and China whereby both sides promise to withdraw their coast guard ships. The Philipine withdraw her ships, while China renege on her promise and kept her ships there ever since. If we take the Philipine situation as a guide, I doubt very much that China will pull her rig out as "promise" in August. It's this worse case scenario that Hanoi prays doesnt happen. If it does happen then Vietnam's economy is on a downward spiral with more street protests.

Indonesia and Malaysia should learn from the sad lessons of Vietnam and Philipine and try not to make the same mistakes.


I don't know if Vietnam realizes this, but no matter how many weapons Vietnam buy, China is always one step ahead of Vietnam with more and better weapons. There are no weapons that Vietnam that currently possesses that threaten China. Even if there is a war, a loss of six submarine and ten frigates is a drop of a water for China, but a big loss for Vietnam.
The only thing that makes China think twice before instigating trouble with any countries is a nuclear weapon.
Israel, a country that is outnumbered by her enemies realized this long time ago, that's why she had a nuclear bomb. The same goes with Pakistan versus India. Even Japan and the USA treats North Korea with caution as she has a nuclear weapon. Taiwan does n't need a nuclear weapon as it has the US in its corner.

Its so strange that Vietnam spend so much money on convention weapons such as submarines, s-300 and fighter jets, yet China still place a rig in her backyard.
 
I don't know if Vietnam realizes this, but no matter how many weapons Vietnam buy, China is always one step ahead of Vietnam with more and better weapons. There are no weapons that Vietnam that currently possesses that threaten China. Even if there is a war, a loss of six submarine and ten frigates is a drop of a water for China, but a big loss for Vietnam.
The only thing that makes China think twice before instigating trouble with any countries is a nuclear weapon.
Israel, a country that is outnumbered by her enemies realized this long time ago, that's why she had a nuclear bomb. The same goes with Pakistan versus India. Even Japan and the USA treats North Korea with caution as she has a nuclear weapon. Taiwan does n't need a nuclear weapon as it has the US in its corner.

Its so strange that Vietnam spend so much money on convention weapons such as submarines, s-300 and fighter jets, yet China still place a rig in her backyard.

Correction. The oil rig is placed in our own backyard, 18nm from ZhongJian Island within our contiguous zone, as stipulated by UNCLOS, whether you or anyone object or not, we will do as we like in our territory.

As for aquiring nukes, go ahead & aquire them Vietnam. Those are Strategic weapons of mass destruction for doomsday deterrent. If you think Vietnam acquiring nuke will stop us from doing what we do in our own backyard, then you are seriously mistaken & naive.
 
would have thought that since the battle at Johnson Reef in 1998, that Vietnam would have created some sort of deterrence against China such as nuclear weapon or alliances with strong countries (not Russia or India). Its a pity that Vietnamese sailors died at the Johnson Reef battle in vain.

Our logistic soldiers died for sovereignty of our country. There was evidence for that China is robbed our islands with force. That is illegal occupation.

I don't know if Vietnam realizes this, but no matter how many weapons Vietnam buy, China is always one step ahead of Vietnam with more and better weapons. There are no weapons that Vietnam that currently possesses that threaten China. Even if there is a war, a loss of six submarine and ten frigates is a drop of a water for China, but a big loss for Vietnam.
The only thing that makes China think twice before instigating trouble with any countries is a nuclear weapon.
Israel, a country that is outnumbered by her enemies realized this long time ago, that's why she had a nuclear bomb. The same goes with Pakistan versus India. Even Japan and the USA treats North Korea with caution as she has a nuclear weapon. Taiwan does n't need a nuclear weapon as it has the US in its corner.

Its so strange that Vietnam spend so much money on convention weapons such as submarines, s-300 and fighter jets, yet China still place a rig in her backyard.

we should develop our own nuke.
 

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