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Don't try to insult me when you have nothing to respond because I'm right. Your govt. says they are mad they are mad. You aren't the govt. so I'm not surprised you aren't concerned. But perhaps your govt. knows more than you do.
Seems you are good man, I am bad man, American, hehe!
I insult the man insulting my countries and people, don't be that hypocritic, OK.

My goverment says they are mad? where, give me the sourse? or just you say itis mad, so it is? Sorry, We are chinese, not your ally, or you dog, not you say we are, so we should are.

I don't concern what? and what my goverment know what I don't know? seems you know much, surprise you don't leak it out.
 
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Oh, old bullsh*t scrap, again.
I can't believe there're still Chinese try to used this text to cover their dirty hand!
So funny. Your comrade, Xunzi said it clearly: Chinese has big gun, and has big mouth, so Chinese can swallow anything that they want.
So you can stop your joke.
read this.
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chinese goverment claim in1958
中华人民共和国政府关于领海的声明(1958年9月4日)
中华人民共和国政府宣布

(一)中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土,包括中国大陆及其沿海岛屿,和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

(二)中国大陆及其沿海岛屿的领海以连接大陆岸上和沿海岸外缘岛屿上各基点之间的各直线为基线,从基线向外延伸12海里的水域是中国的领海。在基线以内的水域,包括渤海湾、琼州海峡在内、都是中国的内海、在基线以内的岛屿,包括东引岛、高登岛、马祖列岛、白犬列岛、乌岳岛、大小金门岛、大担岛、二担岛、东碇岛在内,都是中国的内海。

 (三)一切外国飞机和军用船舶,未经中华人民共和国政府的许可,不得进入中国的领海和领海上空。   任何外国船舶在中国领海航行,必须遵守中华人民共和国政府的有关法令。

  (四)以上(一)(二)两项规定的原则同样适用于台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。
and Vietnamese goverment already accept that at that time

P/S: Chinese can swallow anything, may be that's why your fellow boy - sweet-mock-grape can feed his people with sh*t. I still feel so disgusting about that when he admit it.
 
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P/S: Chinese can swallow anything, may be that's why your fellow boy - sweet-mock-grape can feed his people with sh*t. I still feel so disgusting about that when he admit it.
you should keep feel disgusting ,who cares.
vietnam has bigger mouth,and cry everywhere.
 
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you should keep feel disgusting ,who cares.
vietnam has bigger mouth,and cry everywhere.
Oh, don't want to crying more about the text, huh !?
People talk about peace, kid.
Beast and idiot mental boys want big gun game play with jungle law, howling when they tried attacked other with their greedy, and swallow anything, even sh*t.
No wonder when Chinese keep suffer slaughter fate, even so many years after Japanese leave China mainland.
 
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Pakistan totally and whole heartedly supports the Chinese stance on SCS dispute... :china::china::china::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

Pakistan is a friend of China. However, I don't think China want Pakistan to take side on this issue either. This is why China never asked.
 
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Do something about if you think their oil rig in your beach, now you make Vietnam look weak for crying outloud. Bomb the rig and start a war with China.

They tried. Vietnam send tens of ships tried to block and ram China's rig. However, the Chinese ship stopped them.
 
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why would they Sri Lanka is china's friend they built many infrastructures in that country
 
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Video provide by Vietnamese Govt, show how provocative from Chinese forces:

 
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Pakistan totally and whole heartedly supports the Chinese stance on SCS dispute... :china::china::china::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

good good..now don't blame India next time we claim Pakistan don't have any sea to start with..something like this might be interesting..

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Headlines---Breaking News.India extended its EEZ with a "9 dashed Line" and claimed Pakistan doesn't have any territorial water and EEZ to begin with.
 
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China didn't know where the Spratlys were

John Nery
Philippine Daily Inquirer May 12, 2014 1:00 am
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This photograph taken on May 2, 2014 and released on May 7, 2014 by the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry shows a China Coast Guard ship, right, using a water cannon on a Vietnamese ship in the disputed waters in the South China Sea.//AFP

In 1933, the French flexed their colonial muscles and annexed nine of the Spratly Islands. When the news spread, the fledgling and troubled Chinese republic faced a basic problem - it didn't know where the Spratlys were.
A year earlier, the French had staked their claim to the Paracel Islands as part of their colony in Vietnam. The second French claim to part of the Spratlys befuddled the Chinese. As the scholar Francois-Xavier Bonnet of Irasec, the Research Institute on Contemporary Southeast Asia, noted as follows:

"These two claims of the French government confused the minds…not only of the Chinese public and the media, but also the official authorities like the military and the politicians in Guangdong province and Beijing. In fact, the Chinese believed that the Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands or Xisha were exactly the same group, but that the French had just changed the name as a trick to confuse the Chinese government.

"To ascertain the position of the Spratly Islands, the Chinese consul in Manila, Kwong, went, on July 26, 1933, to the US Coast and Geodetic Survey and discovered, with surprise, that the Spratly Islands and the Paracel Islands were different and far apart."

I was led to Bonnet's much-read discussion paper, "Geopolitics of Scarborough Shoal" (something on the order of 100,000 downloads of the PDF version, I understand, since it was first posted in November 2012), by BBC journalist Bill Hayton. I found his map-based lecture on the origins of China's South China Sea claims last Friday at the University of the Philippines thought-provoking.

When I asked Hayton to expand on his point, that in 1933 the Chinese government did not even know where the Spratlys were, he referred me to Bonnet, who happened to be sitting in the audience. Bonnet and Hayton have provided me copies of and links to the essential literature.

Hayton's "South China Sea: Dangerous Ground" is due from Yale University Press later this year. The title is a play on another name for the Spratlys.

They make for fascinating reading. To be sure, much of the information has been readily available online. Even the delicious irony of a Chinese consul consulting the offices of the US colonial administration in Manila to determine the location of the Spratlys has been knocking about in academic circles and on the Internet for at least a decade.

In 2004, Bonnet wrote "The Spratlys: A Past Revisited" for World Bulletin, a publication of the UP's Institute of International Legal Studies. His paper already includes a section on "the Chinese confusion" about the location of the nine annexed islands in the Spratlys.

Still, this particular moment in history remains under-known. Some passages from Bonnet's 2012 paper are perhaps worth repeating.

First, the following footnote. "The consul submitted, on August 1, 1933, his report to the Chinese Foreign Affairs Department, which said: 'The islands [in the Spratlys which the French annexed] are collectively known as Tizard Bank and are situated at 530 miles from Hainan, 350 miles from the Paracels and 200 miles from Palawan…The reports mentioning that the nine islands were part of Xisha [the Paracels] are incorrect'."

Second, this quote from a letter written by Wang Gong Da, director of the Peiping News, to the foreign affairs secretary: "Don't make a diplomatic blunder; these islands are not part of Xisha. Triton Island [in Xisha] is the southernmost part of our territory [this was written before China's absurd obsession with James Shoal]. South of Triton Island, there is no connection with the Chinese territory. Our so-called experts, geographers, Navy representatives, etc, are a shame to our country."

And third, this passage from a secret report of the Military Council, dated September 1, 1933: "In conclusion, we have only one piece of evidence, our fishermen from Hainan [who are present in parts of the Spratlys], and we have never done anything on these islands. We need to cool down the game with the French, but let our fishermen continue their activities to protect our fishing rights. Our Navy is weak and these nine islands are not useful for us now…"

I've tried to look for additional information about the 1933 annexation and the Chinese reaction. There is a news story in the Salt Lake Tribune, highlighting what was surely the geopolitical reality of the early 1930s.

Datelined Manila, the report began: "The occupation by French dispatch boats of nine islets 200 miles west of the Philippines [the report got this fact right] in the South China Sea was the signal for a race between the Japanese and Chinese consulates here to obtain authentic information about the group."

There is an internal memorandum of the US Department of State, which noted that "A press dispatch dated July 28, 1933 from Manila stated that Chinese Consul Kwong was instructed by his government to investigate the occupation of the islands by the French and report as the Chinese government intended to oppose French occupation. The Chinese consul had already sent a preliminary report."

And who was K L Kwong? We learn from a copy of Who's Who in China (1934) that he was a career diplomat, who once represented China at the League of Nations in Geneva, and who served as Chinese consul-general in the Philippines from November 1930 to June 19, 1934. His next assignment was San Francisco.
 
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the Chinese did not help Russia in Crimea. they stayed neutral.

okay, Russia needs money, and they get from selling stuffs to the Chinese.
but we have seen in history that sometimes politics has played a more dominant role than economics.

let wait how the Russians see this escalation. I am pretty sure if we win Russia, we will win this confrontation. a hostile Russia is the absolute nightmare for the Chinese. a two-front war.
Russia needs China more than Vietnam needs Russia. Stop being delusional. Russia wants China to side with it because of the US. What can Vietnam provide Russia? Buying a few kilo subs? I thought Viets are more smarter than this.
 
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I told you already. Pls give us some toys then we are ready

- a fleet of nuclear subs (6)
- a fleet of destroyers (6)
- a squadron of F-35 (12)
- nuclear umbrella
- delivering of weapons and providing political backing

by the way, it is the nationalistic Global times who calls for a war against Vietnam (teach a lesson).



Who will give Vietnam weapon for free? you ask a billion dollars question and no nation will give a damn to protect Vietnam interest without getting something in return.
 
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