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[Tanja]

Unbelievable, the situation got worse




FNOTW: Analysis the South China Sea situation (part 1)

 

[Genesis]

Unbelievable, the situation got worse




FNOTW: Analysis the South China Sea situation (part 1)

22 million men and women died during WW2 for China, about 2 million military death. Against a military power that far overpowers us, we didn't back down.

Unlike the soviets, who had a massive industry and at the end even better techs than the germans, we fought with no guns or food, or cloth.

When we sent troops to India for training under the Americans, for our X force, Chinese army in India, some even froze to death due to the low temperature of flying over the Himalayas. We can't put jackets on them due to the high cost of the war.

Even then 100,000 students joined the army to form an army that was able to defeat the most elite Japanese army, that took top prize in capturing Nanjing our capital, 1-2 in casualty and won an victory unimaginable even for the Americans.


Now look at the SCS countries Philippines, and whatever other small countries with less per capita income than African countries. Less manufacturing than any of our han dominated provinces, less military tech than our coast guards. Who can compare with Japan? Then or now.

The only country out of the bunch I respect is Vietnam, a country that also fought to the last man against America.

Give up our claims? In your dreams

 

[Zero_wing]

22 million men and women died during WW2 for China, about 2 million military death. Against a military power that far overpowers us, we didn't back down.

Unlike the soviets, who had a massive industry and at the end even better techs than the germans, we fought with no guns or food, or cloth.

When we sent troops to India for training under the Americans, for our X force, Chinese army in India, some even froze to death due to the low temperature of flying over the Himalayas. We can't put jackets on them due to the high cost of the war.

Even then 100,000 students joined the army to form an army that was able to defeat the most elite Japanese army, that took top prize in capturing Nanjing our capital, 1-2 in casualty and won an victory unimaginable even for the Americans.


Now look at the SCS countries Philippines, and whatever other small countries with less per capita income than African countries. Less manufacturing than any of our han dominated provinces, less military tech than our coast guards. Who can compare with Japan? Then or now.

The only country out of the bunch I respect is Vietnam, a country that also fought to the last man against America.

Give up our claims? In your dreams

correction those guys were Cannon fodder because the Nationalist and the commies were too preoccupied to fight and only fought together and made a little difference but it was the US and the British and the rest of the Allied countries who help end the war so your so called pretty commie half truths and whole lies excuses for history is not worth the paper it is written on

 

[Genesis]

correction those guys were Cannon fodder because the Nationalist and the commies were too preoccupied to fight and only fought together and made a little difference but it was the US and the British and the rest of the Allied countries who help end the war so your so called pretty commie half truths and whole lies excuses for history is not worth the paper it is written on

Is this guy Communist propaganda as well?

Professor Rana Mitter - Academic Staff - Faculty of Oriental Studies - University of Oxford
Forgotten Ally: China's World War II, 1937-1945: Rana Mitter: 9780618894253: Amazon.com: Books
To understand China's foreign policy, look to World War II - The Drum Opinion (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


The british retreated like cowards, in fact King George VI honored Sun Li Ren with the Commander of the British Empire (Order of the British Empire) medal.

Liren Sun | World War II Database

Because we saved their *** in Burma, also they folded like the french in the pacific region to the Japanese.

Americans was but 1000 men and the flying tiger squad. They can no more than annoy the Japanese.

Battle of West Hunan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Guangxi Campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A full scale counter attack by us was on the cards, if anything the Americans ruined the party by dropping the bombs, we would have wiped our humiliation by destroying the remaining Japanese.

Discredit us all you want, history is written and facts are facts. Anywhere you read on this subject you will see this.

 

[Zero_wing]

Is this guy Communist propaganda as well?

Professor Rana Mitter - Academic Staff - Faculty of Oriental Studies - University of Oxford
Forgotten Ally: China's World War II, 1937-1945: Rana Mitter: 9780618894253: Amazon.com: Books
To understand China's foreign policy, look to World War II - The Drum Opinion (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


The british retreated like cowards, in fact King George VI honored Sun Li Ren with the Commander of the British Empire (Order of the British Empire) medal.

Liren Sun | World War II Database

Because we saved their *** in Burma, also they folded like the french in the pacific region to the Japanese.

Americans was but 1000 men and the flying tiger squad. They can no more than annoy the Japanese.

Battle of West Hunan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Second Guangxi Campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A full scale counter attack by us was on the cards, if anything the Americans ruined the party by dropping the bombs, we would have wiped our humiliation by destroying the remaining Japanese.

Discredit us all you want, history is written and facts are facts. Anywhere you read on this subject you will see this.

blah blah etc etc full air no facts just typical talk to the air no one is taking your so called history as real

 

[Saleem]

Agence France-Presse
October 4, 2013

China has to learn to "play by the rules" and the Philippines must sharply boost its defences to keep South China Sea territorial spats from escalating, two former US officials said Friday.

The Philippines has consistently accused China of aggressively pressing its claim to most of the South China Sea, even up to the coasts of neighbours like the Philippines, raising tensions in the Asia-Pacific region.

Speaking at the sidelines of a maritime security forum in Manila, ex-US defence undersecretary Walter Slocombe stressed that no one wanted to see a confrontation with China over territory.

"We (military allies the Philippines and the United States) must find a way to defend our interests and our sovereignty, the rule of law and the proposition that issues like this are to be resolved peacefully and not by the threat of the use of force."

He warned: "There is a real danger of an incident blowing up and becoming a source of a much bigger conflict."

Dennis Blair, former commander of US forces in the Pacific, added: "We have to convince China that as it involves the rest of the region and the world in solving its problems, it has to play by the rules whether those rules are in business, diplomacy or in military force."

Both men said they could not fully explain why China was now pressing its territorial claims.

It could be a case of leaders manipulating nationalism, a mistaken assumption that the United States was withdrawing from Asia, or even the belief of some important Chinese figures that "China should run the world", Slocombe said.

China's restiveness had produced negative reactions, said Slocombe, who was in the Pentagon when Bill Clinton was US president. "In a very short time, China has made the US very popular in the Western Pacific."

But while the Philippines is relying on the United States to back it up against China, Slocombe said it must also undertake a serious effort to develop "a minimum deterrent military capacity".

"The Philippines needs to do a strategic analysis of what it needs to do for its maritime defence," added Blair, the US Pacific commander in 1999-2002.

This would include a multi-year programme to acquire modern weapons, properly train its personnel and develop military doctrines and mechanisms, and "organise itself in a more effective manner".

Such a programme for the poorly-armed Philippines "will not only support its relations with China but will find a much more willing and able and ready partner from its treaty ally, the United States", he added.

China must 'play by the rules', Philippines must arm: US experts | GlobalPost

yes china must play by the rules and stay a slave of the imperial powers---it should know its place----

 

[Solomon2]

For Americans you are no more than a dog, a beggar or a sucker. When you cann't bark or provide women's pleasure for your masters you are finished. Don't you feel Philippines like prostitutes having been fukked so many times and for so long...

You're late to the party. Yeah, that might have been how the Filipinos felt. Past tense. The Philippines shut down the U.S. bases in their country two decades ago. Today they know better than they did before that it's not the U.S. who seeks to f--k them.

 

[bolo]

So your telling me to bring back world war 2 condition were people kill millions to gain others territory again how f are you?

when one kisses white *** expect shitty breath.

 

[Krueger]

Global Times | 2013-10-7
By Li Kaisheng

Common sense tells us that major powers usually predominate in the game of international politics. However, among the claimants in the South China Sea issue, the Philippines, a much smaller and less powerful nation than China, continues to provoke and seems to take the initiative in recent years by raising various complaints against China on this issue.

It did not only provoke the tension on Huangyan Island in April 2012, but repeatedly forced the South China Sea issue into the agendas of some meetings attended by ASEAN countries.

Earlier this year, Manila intentionally and unilaterally handed the issue to the UN arbitral tribunal, asking for a magnification of the issue, and the arbitration is still up in the air.

Recently its navy claimed that they were talking about the possibility of removing the concrete blocks on Huangyan Island, allegedly installed by China.

Similar cases, small but perennial, are too many to list. China has been upholding a much tougher attitude in the last couple of years, but its current position still seems on the defensive.

The current situation is partly caused by the two nations' foreign policies. China is still under the influence of its long-lasting policy of "hiding one's capacities and biding one's time," while the Philippines is becoming more provocative under the Benigno Aquino III administration.

In the political sphere of East and Southeast Asia, being "small and weak" is not a disadvantage, but an advantage for smaller powers under some special circumstances.

The reason why the Philippines can translate its small size and weak strength into an advantage comes from the particularity of the maritime disputes in East and Southeast Asia.

Although the South China Sea issue remains a traditional security issue whose solution largely depends on national strength and military power, often it is the power of rules instead of strength and force that plays an important role.

From the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea or the envisaged Code of Conduct in the South China Sea, whoever makes the rules and uses them well will take the initiative in the game.

As long as the smaller countries have a good command of diplomatic skills and a profound knowledge of the rules, they will be hardly outmatched by the major powers.

The Philippines has also been given a fail-safe mechanism by the US, so that when diplomacy does not work, the US will have its back.

Washington and Manila have a long-standing military alliance, and US President Barack Obama's "pivot to Asia" policy has also stimulated Manila's confidence to roll up its sleeves.

Manila knows that as long as Washington's core interests can be guaranteed, the US will never engage in a fight with China just for the sake of the Philippines.

Nonetheless, Manila has been aware that although military confrontation with China is doomed, it is very likely to occupy the high ground of public opinion and perceived morality.

When international disputes break out, the international community usually shows sympathy to the disadvantaged party, even to the extent that the rights and wrongs of the issue will be ignored. Major powers are often labeled as hegemonies and bullies, and the smaller ones as victims.

What's more, in the eyes of Westerners, the Philippines is a democracy while China is a so-called communist "autocracy." This disparity adds weight to Manila's claim.

The more sympathy the Philippines gets, the more accusations China will have to face.

Although China has started to resort to multiple strategies to deal with the Philippines' provocations, it still remains the disadvantageous side, and some of its decisive actions even backfired, making the Philippines acquire more sympathy and support from the international community.

Given such circumstances, how to make wise use of rules in the South China Sea and change the current disadvantageous position will be a direct challenge for Chinese diplomacy in the future.

The author is an associate research fellow at the Institute of International Relations, Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences. opinion@globaltimes.com.cn

Time to use rules well in maritime disputes - OP-ED - Globaltimes.cn

 

[bolo]

Global Times | 2013-10-7
By Li Kaisheng

Common sense tells us that major powers usually predominate in the game of international politics. However, among the claimants in the South China Sea issue, the Philippines, a much smaller and less powerful nation than China, continues to provoke and seems to take the initiative in recent years by raising various complaints against China on this issue.

It did not only provoke the tension on Huangyan Island in April 2012, but repeatedly forced the South China Sea issue into the agendas of some meetings attended by ASEAN countries.

Earlier this year, Manila intentionally and unilaterally handed the issue to the UN arbitral tribunal, asking for a magnification of the issue, and the arbitration is still up in the air.

Recently its navy claimed that they were talking about the possibility of removing the concrete blocks on Huangyan Island, allegedly installed by China.

Similar cases, small but perennial, are too many to list. China has been upholding a much tougher attitude in the last couple of years, but its current position still seems on the defensive.

The current situation is partly caused by the two nations' foreign policies. China is still under the influence of its long-lasting policy of "hiding one's capacities and biding one's time," while the Philippines is becoming more provocative under the Benigno Aquino III administration.

In the political sphere of East and Southeast Asia, being "small and weak" is not a disadvantage, but an advantage for smaller powers under some special circumstances.

The reason why the Philippines can translate its small size and weak strength into an advantage comes from the particularity of the maritime disputes in East and Southeast Asia.

Although the South China Sea issue remains a traditional security issue whose solution largely depends on national strength and military power, often it is the power of rules instead of strength and force that plays an important role.

From the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea or the envisaged Code of Conduct in the South China Sea, whoever makes the rules and uses them well will take the initiative in the game.

As long as the smaller countries have a good command of diplomatic skills and a profound knowledge of the rules, they will be hardly outmatched by the major powers.

The Philippines has also been given a fail-safe mechanism by the US, so that when diplomacy does not work, the US will have its back.

Washington and Manila have a long-standing military alliance, and US President Barack Obama's "pivot to Asia" policy has also stimulated Manila's confidence to roll up its sleeves.

Manila knows that as long as Washington's core interests can be guaranteed, the US will never engage in a fight with China just for the sake of the Philippines.

Nonetheless, Manila has been aware that although military confrontation with China is doomed, it is very likely to occupy the high ground of public opinion and perceived morality.

When international disputes break out, the international community usually shows sympathy to the disadvantaged party, even to the extent that the rights and wrongs of the issue will be ignored. Major powers are often labeled as hegemonies and bullies, and the smaller ones as victims.

What's more, in the eyes of Westerners, the Philippines is a democracy while China is a so-called communist "autocracy." This disparity adds weight to Manila's claim.

The more sympathy the Philippines gets, the more accusations China will have to face.

Although China has started to resort to multiple strategies to deal with the Philippines' provocations, it still remains the disadvantageous side, and some of its decisive actions even backfired, making the Philippines acquire more sympathy and support from the international community.

Given such circumstances, how to make wise use of rules in the South China Sea and change the current disadvantageous position will be a direct challenge for Chinese diplomacy in the future.

The author is an associate research fellow at the Institute of International Relations, Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences. opinion@globaltimes.com.cn

Time to use rules well in maritime disputes - OP-ED - Globaltimes.cn

First of all, strong countries do not care what other countries think. Maybe China isn't as strong as US make them to be. Just like an Alpha male, they do what they want and when they want regardless of what others think.

Second, CCP has the worse PR people working for them. Americans killed over 2 million Vietnamese and Vietnamese still love Americans long time. America dropped two atom bombs in Japan, Japs love America. Killed millions of Koreans during Korean war and South Koreans love Americans. It's time for China to take some PR lessons from US.

 

[GR!FF!N]

First of all, strong countries do not care what other countries think. Maybe China isn't as strong as US make them to be. Just like an Alpha male, they do what they want and when they want regardless of what others think.

Second, CCP has the worse PR people working for them. Americans killed over 2 million Vietnamese and Vietnamese still love Americans long time. America dropped two atom bombs in Japan, Japs love America. Killed millions of Koreans during Korean war and South Koreans love Americans. It's time for China to take some PR lessons from US.

some logic indeed..by the way,CCP's tyrannical rule killed around 30-40 million during a great leap as well as cultural revolution..Chinese love CCP for that..don't you agree???

 

[Kolaps]

Everyone know...it's not the Philippine nor Japanese who are aggressive.

It's US.

And somehow...it's not North Korea nor South Korea. Even not Taiwan and HK too.

I just want to say, EAST ASIAN are a bunch of IDIOTS!

 

[Zero_wing]

First of all, strong countries do not care what other countries think. Maybe China isn't as strong as US make them to be. Just like an Alpha male, they do what they want and when they want regardless of what others think.

Second, CCP has the worse PR people working for them. Americans killed over 2 million Vietnamese and Vietnamese still love Americans long time. America dropped two atom bombs in Japan, Japs love America. Killed millions of Koreans during Korean war and South Koreans love Americans. It's time for China to take some PR lessons from US.

Wow so protect our waters is working for the Americans nice lies comrade

Everyone know...it's not the Philippine nor Japanese who are aggressive.

It's US.

And somehow...it's not North Korea nor South Korea. Even not Taiwan and HK too.

I just want to say, EAST ASIAN are a bunch of IDIOTS!

Correction everyone knows china is the ONLY AGGRESSOR here no one but china so stop making $hit up

 

[Zero_wing]

when one kisses white *** expect shitty breath.

blah blah so uncivilized

 

[Bob Ong]

I think China wanted to have mind games with us thinking that a small country like ours would fall like a piece of paper. When the result of the arbitrary is out in Philippines' favor then whatever the Philippine government decides to do in West Philippine Sea will be done lawfully and democratically. Philippines will then be able to defend its sovereignty without fear of condemnation from the international community. Philippines must not delay the approval of allowing access to U.S., Japan and other allies. The sooner this get done, the better for Philippines national security and interest.