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Vietnam is the escape China, sooner or later to destroy your country, and in the forum you can obscenity, the actual situation in your country is a group of scum, so someday our army approaching you know the capital of regret, when too late, quarrel who will, wait, no matter how you say you can not change the fate of nations.
 
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Vietnam is the escape China, sooner or later to destroy your country, and in the forum you can obscenity, the actual situation in your country is a group of scum, so someday our army approaching you know the capital of regret, when too late, quarrel who will, wait, no matter how you say you can not change the fate of nations.
Did you know how many time your elder want that, dreaming that, and talk about that, huh?
And what's the fact !? Can you tell !?, lol
Hope you came Vietnam and do it by yourself, bullshjt chinese men ... :coffee:
 
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Vietnam is the escape China, sooner or later to destroy your country, and in the forum you can obscenity, the actual situation in your country is a group of scum, so someday our army approaching you know the capital of regret, when too late, quarrel who will, wait, no matter how you say you can not change the fate of nations.

one more idiot chinese, is mental ill, Japanese will rule you again.
 
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The idea of strong defense is mobility, not being confined in one old rusted cage mark with Bullseye for easy target ....... they were being treated like a circus animals , its inhumane, very amateurish idea. Apparently the AFP and the Commander and Chief has selfish view on humanity.
 
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MANILA, Philippines -- The crews of Chinese fishing vessels that have encroached on Ayungin Reef, part of the Kalayaan Island Group of Palawan, have reportedly begun erecting metal and rope structures, a well-placed source told InterAksyon on Thursday.

“There are five to eight Chinese fishing vessels that entered our reef conducting surveys inside our Ayungin Reef. Our latest report is that the Chinese were unloading big ropes and planting metal structures on our reef,” the source, a ranking military officer who spoke on condition he was not named, said.
 
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Filipino fishermen pay price of sea disputes
MASINLOC, Zambales—Along the northwestern coast of Luzon, poor children with claw hammers clamber aboard an abandoned fishing vessel to pry loose and steal rusty nails from its deck. It’s become a familiar sight in villages where some fishermen have been forced to give up their livelihoods since China took control of their fishing haven last year.
Fishermen say Chinese maritime surveillance ships have shooed them off Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal) in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) and roped off the entrance to the vast lagoon that had been their fishing paradise for decades.
Now, they say, they can’t even count on the Chinese to give them shelter there from a potentially deadly storm.
Some have paddled back in dugouts to sneak into the lagoon—teeming with pricey yellowfin and skipjack tuna, red grouper, blue marlin and lobster—while their mother boats hide from a distance.

But other Filipino fishermen in the northwestern towns of Masinloc in Zambales province and Infanta in Pangasinan province have sold their boats, or simply abandoned them on the coast, and turned to other work, including raising pigs in their backyards.

Fish trader Joey Legazpi has sold most of his 12 outrigger boats, which largely depended on Panatag’s pristine fishing waters, and opened a small food store in Infanta.

“It’s gone,” Legazpi said, noting that the Philippines’ ill-equipped forces are no match for China’s mammoth military. “We’ve lost hope we can get Panatag back.”

Territorial conflicts

Large swarms of fishing fleets are getting entangled in an expanding labyrinth of Asian territorial conflicts.

The stakes are rising as China and other rival claimants in the West Philippine Sea pour more air, naval and paramilitary forces into the area, increasing the risk of confrontations.

Chinese maritime surveillance ships took control of Panatag Shoal, which Beijing calls Huangyan Island, and roped off the entrance to its vast fishing lagoon following a two-month standoff with Philippine government ships last year.

The chain of reefs and rocks 230 kilometers west of Zambales falls under its 370-km exclusive economic zone, Filipino officials say.

The area lies about 870 km from China’s nearest coast. Some other islands in the West Philippine Sea claimed by China are much closer than that, but those are also claimed by other countries, including Taiwan and Vietnam.

Many other areas of the sea are volatile. Vietnam lodged a protest in March after claiming its fishermen were fired upon by a Chinese ship, damaging their boat.

Two weeks ago, Filipino coast guards killed a Taiwanese fisherman in a confrontation with a fishing vessel. Manila has apologized but Taiwan has retaliated by freezing jobs for Filipinos, recalling its envoy and cutting trade exchanges.

Positions hardened

Ian Storey, senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, said rival claimants had hardened their positions and tried to bolster their sovereignty claims through national legislation or before the United Nations.

Beijing, which has aggressively asserted claims to virtually the entire sea and separately to a string of East China Sea islands it contests with Japan, has turned to administrative acts and chased away fishermen it accuses of intrusion.

“The prospect of a resolution to the various disputes in the [West Philippine Sea] is very dim,” Storey said.

Filipino fishermen in Masinloc and Infanta who had journeyed to Panatag Shoal for years told The Associated Press that Chinese surveillance ships had driven them away and pursued them in dangerous cat-and-mouse chases.

“Our fishermen have become scared,” said Mayor Desiree Edora of Masinloc, a fishing town that claims jurisdiction over the shoal.

“What power do they have? The other side has (defense) equipment and what do the fishermen have? Only Styrofoam, ice and so forth—so what they did was to leave to save their lives,” she said.

Alarmed by the recent territorial tensions, Southeast Asian countries have sought a legally binding code of conduct with China to discourage belligerent behavior and prevent fighting.

But Beijing has not clearly said so far when it would sit down to discuss the proposal.

Chased away

Joynes Pursines, skipper of the Queen Kim Urich, said that he and his men were chased away from Panatag Shoal three times late last year.

At one point, he said, his outrigger boat was hemmed in by two ships, their deafening horn blowing repeatedly close by and the Chinese waving red flags.

“We thought they’d ram us,” he said. The Chinese ships chased him for about 5.5 km and backed away when Pursines’ ship was about 18 km from the shoal.

Legazpi said the dispute over the shoal put the lives of their fishermen at risk when fierce monsoon winds threatened to lash their boats late last year.

They could not enter the shallow, calm waters of Panatag Shoal’s 130-sq-km lagoon, because Chinese surveillance ships stood guard nearby.

“How can they do that when it’s the law of the sea that people in distress should be helped?” Legazpi asked.

“My men just returned home and cut short their fishing trip. Nobody wanted to go missing at sea because there won’t be any death certificate and their families wouldn’t get any benefit,” he said.

He said seven of his fishermen disappeared when a storm hit the shoal in 2005.

The Associated Press sought comment on the fishermen’s claims from the Chinese foreign ministry in Beijing but it did not reply.

Philippine officials have protested China’s blockade of the lagoon.

Making ends meet

Macario Forones, a fish trader in Masinloc, is now among those who are raising pigs to make ends meet.

“I used to have up to 60 fishermen working with me. Now all of them are gone,” he said.

He sent outrigger boats into the shoal for a time, but stopped after the Chinese moved their ships to discourage such efforts.

But Forones is not giving up. He had his outrigger boat reinforced, hoping he will soon be able to send it back to the shoal.

His boat stood brightly with a new coat of white and orange paint on Masinloc’s coast as a nearby abandoned vessel rotted under the sun.
 
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EDITORIAL - Creeping occupation
What is ours is ours, the President and commander-in-chief said at the anniversary of the 115-year-old Philippine Navy. His defense chief echoed the statement yesterday, vowing that the Armed Forces of the Philippines would “fight to the last soldier” for “what is ours.”

“Ours” refers to Ayungin Reef in the Spratlys – part of Palawan’s Kalayaan Island Group – which is now reportedly surrounded by Chinese fishing and maritime surveillance vessels. The Chinese maneuver, reported a few days ago, is reminiscent of their creeping occupation of Panganiban or Mischief Reef near Ayungin starting in 1993, and of Panatag or Scarborough Shoal off Zambales starting last year.

The reefs are all a long way from China’s 200-mile exclusive economic zone, but the world’s second largest economy is using its wealth to build up its defense capability and aggressively stake its claim over nearly the entire waters around it. If China could find a way to include Palawan’s Tubbataha Reef within its bizarre “nine-dash line” – the area that it claims as its maritime territory, which at low tide could include the beaches of its Southeast Asian neighbors – it would do so, the better to harvest endangered sea turtles and scaly anteaters.

Even if the nine-dash line cannot be extended to Tubbataha in the Sulu Sea, the Chinese can stake a claim on other reefs and islets dotting the West Philippine Sea. The Philippines will have to do more than talk tough to stop the Chinese. Already, Filipino fishermen have been forced out of their traditional fishing grounds off Zambales by Chinese vessels, and the same is now happening in Ayungin.

By the time the case brought by Manila to the United Nations for arbitral proceedings is settled, the Chinese would have occupied more spits of rock and coral in Philippine waters – and there is no assurance that they would abide by any UN ruling that favors the Philippines.

No one is coming to help the Philippines shoo away intruders: not Uncle Sam, not other Western countries, and not the other members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations. All of these countries have an interest in staying on the good side of Beijing. We are on our own here. If we assert that “what is ours is ours,” we should go beyond bluster; the AFP should do a better job of upholding national sovereignty over Philippine territory.

Foreign ships harass mayor of disputed isle

PUERTO PRINCESA CITY—The mayor of Kalayaan town in Palawan was harassed by two unidentified vessels while traveling with around 200 others by sea toward midnight on Thursday.

Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon of Kalayaan, which governs Pag-asa and four other islets in the Spratlys claimed by the Philippines, said they left Pag-asa Island on Wednesday, two days after casting their votes.

He said they were on their way to Puerto Princesa, about 280 nautical miles away, on board a municipal boat and passing by the Ayungin Shoal when the two vessels approached them.

Ayungin Shoal is about 100 nautical miles from Pag-asa and near Mischief Reef, which is occupied by China.

The vessels looked like big military naval vessels, said Bito-onon, who arrived here Friday afternoon.

He said the vessels came as close as 30 meters, following them for about an hour with heavy
 
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Philippines vows to defend territory against China

The Philippines vowed Thursday to fight China "to the last man standing", as a Chinese warship patrolled around a remote reef occupied by a handful of Filipino marines in disputed waters.

In the latest flare-up over competing claims to parts of the South China Sea, the Philippines this week denounced the "provocative and illegal presence" of the warship and a fleet of Chinese fishing vessels near Second Thomas Shoal.

After China brushed off the protest and insisted it owned the tiny reef and islets that are home to rich fishing grounds, the Philippines on Thursday ramped up the rhetoric against its much more powerful rival.

"To the last soldier standing, we will fight for what is ours," Defence Secretary Voltaire Gazmin told reporters when asked if the Philippines would bow to Chinese intimidation and pull its forces from the shoal.

However Gazmin said the Philippines was not intending to send any military reinforcements to the area, and there had been no confrontations between the two sides at the shoal since the Chinese vessels arrived early this month.

Second Thomas Shoal is one of nine Filipino-occupied islands or islets in the Spratly Islands chain.

It lies about 200 kilometres (120 miles) northwest of the Philippine island of Palawan, the nearest major landmass, and more than 1,000 kilometres from China's Hainan island.

The shoal is guarded by a handful of Filipino marines, believed to number fewer than 10, aboard a World War II-era ship that was deliberately grounded there in the late 1990s to serve as a base.

China says it has sovereign rights over nearly all of the South China Sea, even waters far away from its main landmass and approaching the coasts of Southeast Asian countries.

The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also claim parts of the sea, and the area has for decades been regarded as a potential trigger for major military conflict in the region.

All claimants, except Brunei, have troops stationed on various islands and atolls in the Spratlys -- the biggest archipelago in the sea -- to assert their claims.

Regional tensions have escalated in recent years as China has taken more aggressive steps to assert its claims to the sea, which is believed to sit atop vast reserves of oil and gas worth billions of dollars.

China has established a new city to oversee the area and deployed navy vessels on wide-ranging patrols of the sea, with its ships reaching as far as 80 kilometres from Malaysia's coast.

China last year also took control of Scarborough Shoal, another bountiful fishing area far closer to the Filipino landmass than China's, after a stand-off between vessels from both countries ended with the Philippines retreating.

Second Thomas Shoal is about 40 kilometres east of Mischief Reef, a Philippine-claimed outcrop that China has occupied since 1995.

Second Thomas Shoal and Mischief Reef are within the Philippines' internationally recognised exclusive economic zone.

"They should not be there. They do not have the right to be there," foreign department spokesman Raul Hernandez told AFP via text message on Thursday when asked the Chinese presence at Second Thomas Shoal.

"No one should doubt the resolve of the Filipino people to defend what is ours in that area."

President Benigno Aquino on Tuesday announced a planned $1.8-billion military upgrade to defend the country's maritime territory against "bullies".

But China's announced defence budget of $115 billion this year is nearly 100 times more than that of the Philippines.
 
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Manila protests against Chinese ships in Nansha Islands

TheN0GJ��Cltested the “illegal” presence of a Chinese warship, two surveillance vessels and fishing boats off a shoal in Nansha Islands, the South China Sea, in the latest territorial squabble between the Asian countries, Philippine officials said Tuesday.

Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said the Philippines denounced the "provocative and illegal presence" of Beijing's ships off Ayungin Shoal (China’s Ren’ai Reef) in the South China Sea, adding the area is "an integral part of our national territory."

Chinese diplomats did not immediately react to the protest, which Hernandez said was filed two weeks ago at the Chinese Embassy in Manila.

Philippine Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said another protest might be lodged if authorities confirm that two ships which “chased a Philippine official's ferry boat” last week were Chinese government vessels.

Ren’ai Reef is currently under the jurisdiction of Sansha city, which was created last year for the administration of islands in the South China Sea. In May, 1999, after a Philippine landing ship ran aground in the north-west tip of Ren’ai Reef due to a leak problem, Manila deployed troops to the reef, which has been under its de facto control since.

(Agencies)
 
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Philippines says to fight China over another reef


2013-05-24 01:33:44 GMT2013-05-24 09:33:44(Beijing Time) SINA.com


The Philippines vowed Thursday to fight China "to the last man standing", as a Chinese warship patrolled around Re’ai Reef in South China Sea.

In the latest flare-up over competing claims to parts of the South China Sea, the Philippines this week denounced the "provocative and illegal presence" of the warship and a fleet of Chinese fishing vessels near Re’ai Reef.

After China brushed off the protest and insisted it owned the reef and islets that are home to rich fishing grounds, the Philippines on Thursday ramped up the rhetoric against its much more powerful rival.

"To the last soldier standing, we will fight for what is ours," Defence Secretary Voltaire Gazmin told reporters.

However Gazmin said the Philippines was not intending to send any military reinforcements to the area, and there had been no confrontations between the two sides at the reef since the Chinese vessels arrived early this month.

"They should not be there. They do not have the right to be there," foreign department spokesman Raul Hernandez told AFP via text message on Thursday.

"No one should doubt the resolve of the Filipino people to defend what is ours in that area."

Ren’ai Reef is currently under the jurisdiction of Sansha city, which was created last year for the administration of islands in the South China Sea. In May, 1999, after a Philippine landing ship ran aground in the north-west tip of Ren’ai Reef due to a leak problem, Manila deployed troops to the reef, which has been under its de facto control since.

(Agencies)
 
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Taiwanese boat 'not in Philippine waters'

2013-05-21 23:17:49 GMT2013-05-22 07:17:49(Beijing Time) SINA.com


Taiwan released a satellite record of the route of a fishing boat fired on by Philippine coast guards yesterday, flatly rejecting Manila's allegations it had intruded into Philippine waters.

The killing of crew member Hung Shih-cheng, 65, sparked outrage in Taiwan, and a series of economic sanctions against the Philippines.

Taiwan's Fisheries Agency said the voyage data recorder from the fishing boat showed it was not in Philippine waters when it came under fire on May 9.

"The satellite records indicated that the "Guang Ta Hsin 28" had been fishing within Taiwan's exclusive economic zone throughout," the agency's deputy chief Tsay Tzu-yaw said.

The satellite record showed the ship was positioned at 122 degrees and 55 minutes east and 19 degrees and 59 minutes north when it was attacked at 10:12am. The economic zones claimed by the two sides overlap.

"Since the Philippine authorities repeatedly alleged that the fishing boat had intruded into their waters, then why not make public the video records they claim they have taken from the coast guard boat?" Tsay said.

The Philippines said it would make "coordinated efforts" with Taiwan to look into the incident.

Its coast guards claimed that the fishing boat intruded into Philippine waters and tried to ram their vessel, forcing them to open fire.

Taiwan leader Ma Ying-jeou called the killing "cold-blooded murder" after an initial inquiry showed the boat had more than 50 bullet holes and no signs of ramming.

Philippine Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said on Monday that an investigation team would fly to Taiwan to examine the fishing boat and interview survivors.

De Lima said the Taiwanese investigators would be given access to their evidence, including statements from the coast guard.

Philippine President Benigno Aquino has personally apologized for the incident but Taiwan rejected his apology and announced sanctions.

These include a ban on the hiring of new Philippine workers, recalling its envoy and staging a naval drill in waters off the northern Philippines.

Taipei has repeatedly pressed Manila to issue a formal government apology, compensate the fisherman's family and apprehend the killer.

(Agencies)
 
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Filipinos told to limit activities in Taiwan

2013-05-20 06:06:27 GMT2013-05-20 14:06:27(Beijing Time) SINA.com


Philippine authorities have told Filipino workers to limit their activities in Taiwan following the Philippine Coast Guard's slaying of a Taiwanese fisherman.

Violence against Filipinos in Taiwan has escalated since fisherman Hung Shih-chen was killed on May 9.

The violence has prompted Taiwan to freeze hiring new Filipino workers, the Daily Inquirer reported. President Benigno Aquino apologized for the killing, but the Taiwanese found this unacceptable, the Daily Inquirer said.

Antonio Basilio, resident representative of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office (Meco) in Taiwan, issued the advisory to thousands of Filipinos as the numbers of attacks rise on some of the 87,000 Filipinos working in Taipei.

"Basilio issued an advisory to our countrymen to limit their going out," deputy Philippine presidential spokeswoman Abigail Valte said. "They should avoid doing the unnecessary things, in other words, to keep within their workplace and their homes."

Any Filipino maltreated by a Taiwanese employer should promptly contact Meco so officials can work to ensure they get justice, she said.

Meco Chairman Amadeo Perez said the attack on a Filipino by a gang of youths wielding a bat has been confirmed and other cases were being documented.

Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou asked Taiwanese to act decently toward Filipinos.

(Agencies)
 
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Taiwan urges joint investigation into fatal shooting

2013-05-19 23:30:46 GMT2013-05-20 07:30:46(Beijing Time) Shanghai Daily


Taiwan yesterday repeated calls for a joint investigation into the killing of a fisherman by Philippine coast guards.

A team of investigators returned to Taiwan on Saturday, accusing the Philippines of failing to honor an agreement on a joint probe.

"The decision to send the investigators to Manila came only after the Philippine government had agreed to let us do so," Chen Ming-tang, Taiwan's deputy justice minister, told reporters.

Chen said a joint inquiry was the only way to establish the truth of the May 9 shooting of Hung Shih-cheng.

"While our investigators can provide them with evidence they have collected, Filipino investigators can come to Taiwan to gather evidence, including talking to the other witnesses on board the fishing boat at the time of the shooting," Chen said.

The coast guard has said the fishing vessel intruded into Philippine waters and tried to ram its patrol boat. Chen denied any intrusion, citing a voyage data recorder on the fishing boat.

Taiwan has rejected Manila's apology and slapped sanctions on the Philippines, including a ban on the hiring of new workers, recalling its representative to Manila and staging a drill in waters off the northern Philippines.

Amadeo Perez, a personal envoy from Philippine President Benigno Aquino was forced to return home last Thursday after Taipei rejected an apology he conveyed from Aquino.

Taipei has repeatedly pressed Manila to issue a formal government apology, to compensate the fisherman's family and to apprehend the killer.

In Manila, Perez said his country was waiting for tempers to cool.

Comments by Taiwanese investigators branding the incident as murder have complicated the situation, Perez, chairman of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office, said.

"We are waiting for the right time because I was told by the secretary-general for Asian affairs, we should wait for the temperature in Taiwan to cool," Perez told DZMM radio.

Perez said Taiwan wanted Aquino personally to write a letter of apology, but this could be considered a violation of Manila's one-China policy.

But he thanked Ma for his promise to protect Filipinos working in Taiwan after a Filipino worker was attacked.
 
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Philippine activity on Ren’ai Reef draws Chinese caution

2013-05-22 23:42:36 GMT2013-05-23 07:42:36(Beijing Time) Global Times


Chinese navy and marine surveillance forces are closely monitoring activities conducted by the Philippines on a vessel stranded on the Ren'ai Reef in the South China Sea, a source close to the matter told the Global Times.

The Philippines filed a protest with the Chinese embassy in Manila Tuesday that the recent presence of a Chinese warship and two marine surveillance vessels near the reef was "illegal and proactive."

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei responded Wednesday that the Ren'ai Reef is part of China's Nansha Islands, and that China has indisputable sovereignty over them and their adjacent waters, adding that Chinese ships are entitled to regularly patrol there.

The Philippines sent three military vessels on May 9 after spotting the Chinese ships.

The source also told the Global Times that the Philippine vessels carried a large amount of construction materials to repair a worn-out warship that has been stranded there since May 9, 1999 due to an alleged leak at the bottom, adding that the country has been sending garrison soldiers to gain de facto control to the reef and refused to withdraw the ship.

"The ship has been sinking and deteriorating rapidly this year, the Philippines have been trying to fix it to reinforce their control," said the source, adding that the Chinese military is patrolling to prevent further moves.

The Xinhua News Agency earlier reported that a sea-air patrol to the reef was conducted in March.

Zhu Zhenming, a researcher with the Institute of South East Asian Studies at Yunnan Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times that the Philippines' tougher attitude over the South China Sea dispute indicates that it felt it had the backing of big powers including the US and Japan.

"Philippine President Benigno Aquino has formed a heroic image and won domestic support by acting tough against China. The economic growth in the past few years also earned him more confidence but the Philippines' military power is still small," said Zhu.

Aquino announced Tuesday he would allocate $1.8 billion to upgrade the country's maritime defense, vowing to protect Philippine sovereignty and resist bullies.
 
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