South China Sea Forum

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[Viet]

Vietnam's President Tran Dai Quang (R) and China's President Xi Jinping inspect honour guards during a welcoming ceremony outside the Great Hall of the People, in Beijing, China May 11, 2017. REUTERS/Jason Lee REUTERS

BEIJING (Reuters) - The leaders of China and Vietnam had "positive" talks about the disputed South China Sea on Thursday with neither side criticizing the other, a senior Chinese diplomat said.

Vietnam is the country most openly at odds with China over the waterway since the Philippines pulled back from confrontation under President Rodrigo Duterte.

Speaking after Chinese President Xi Jinping met Vietnamese President Tran Dai Quang in Beijing's Great Hall of the People, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin said the South China Sea had been brought up in their talks.

"It was discussed but the main tone was very positive," Liu told reporters.

Both agreed to follow their consensus to continue stabilizing the situation and to keep pushing talks, as well as continue joint resource exploration in less sensitive areas, like the Gulf of Tonkin, he added.

"I think that talking about the South China Sea this time is really a positive piece of news. Neither side raised any criticisms of each other. There were no voices of that were out of step," Liu said.

China claims 90 percent of the potentially energy-rich South China Sea. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan lay claim to parts of the route, through which about $5 trillion of trade passes each year.

Last year, tensions heightened between Beijing and Hanoi after Taiwan and U.S. officials said Beijing had placed surface-to-air missiles on Woody Island, part of the Paracel archipelago which China controls.

Vietnam called China's actions a serious infringement of its sovereignty over the Paracels.

In 2014, tensions between the two communist countries peaked more dramatically when China moved an oil rig into disputed waters and protests broke out across Vietnam.

Relations have since gradually improved with a series of high level visits between the two, though the military buildup continues in the region, including China's building of airstrips on man-made islands in the South China Sea.

In comments in front of reporters, Xi told Quang he hoped to take relations to a new stage to better benefit both peoples.

Xi also praised the leadership of Vietnam for its economic reforms.

"As a comrade and neighbor, we are happy to see this," Xi said.

Quang is in Beijing to attend a weekend conference on an ambitious scheme proposed by Xi to build a new Silk Road connecting China to Asia, Europe and beyond through massive infrastructure investment.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Nick Macfie)

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ositive-talks-with-vietnam-on-south-china-sea

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

After Duterte came to power in the Philippines, he strengthened relations with China, leaving Vietnam alone in ASEAN to oppose China.

Even Donald Trump now calls Xi Jinping his "close friend". It looks like nobody really cares about the South China Sea anymore, at least not enough to do anything about it.

 

[Viet]

After Duterte came to power in the Philippines, he strengthened relations with China, leaving Vietnam alone in ASEAN to oppose China.

Even Donald Trump now calls Xi Jinping his "close friend". It looks like nobody really cares about the South China Sea anymore, at least not enough to do anything about it.

I give you a friendly proposal that will serve both sides Vietnam and China interests, as well as easing the concern of international community you can blackmail all, once you take over the waterway: we share the control. You Northern half we Southern half of The SC Sea. Everyone will be happy.

 

[Zsari]

I give you a friendly proposal that will serve both sides Vietnam and China interests, as well as easing the concern of international community you can blackmail all, once you take over the waterway: we share the control. You Northern half we Southern half of The SC Sea. Everyone will be happy.

South China Sea strategic value is in its sea lane. So instead of looking at north and south divide, one should instead looking at it via the western, central and eastern corridor.

 

[Viet]

South China Sea strategic value is in its sea lane. So instead of looking at north and south divide, one should instead looking at it via the western, central and eastern corridor.

Interesting thought. Can you elaborate a bit how division of sea lanes can look like? My proposal bases on the imperative: neither side can control the waterway.

 

[shadows888]

Interesting thought. Can you elaborate a bit how division of sea lanes can look like? My proposal bases on the imperative: neither side can control the waterway.

Realist geopolitics are who ever have the biggest navy will control the waterway. Always have been, always will be. Yesterday it was the british, today the americans and China. However, it may be in the interest of the biggest powers to keep the water way open especially if their economy is also export dependant.

 

[Zsari]

Interesting thought. Can you elaborate a bit how division of sea lanes can look like? My proposal bases on the imperative: neither side can control the waterway.

The primary goal for China in the SCS has always been the security of its sea lane. To deny it that control is a non-starter. If you take the SCS and slice it into three vertical strips however, I think that would be a better point to start.

Realist geopolitics are who ever have the biggest navy will control the waterway. Always have been, always will be. Yesterday it was the british, today the americans and China. However, it may be in the interest of the biggest powers to keep the water way open especially if their economy is also export dependant.

True, but I think the west side is too close to Vietnam that it will be impossible to navigate in the future if the two take a confrontational approach. Just like how China is pushing its defense perimeter away from its coast, eventually Vietnam will be able to achieve the same to a lesser degree with land based system.

 

[帅的一匹]

Interesting thought. Can you elaborate a bit how division of sea lanes can look like? My proposal bases on the imperative: neither side can control the waterway.

Many countries have interest in SCS, if we split it then will go crazy.

I give you a friendly proposal that will serve both sides Vietnam and China interests, as well as easing the concern of international community you can blackmail all, once you take over the waterway: we share the control. You Northern half we Southern half of The SC Sea. Everyone will be happy.

China and Vietnam shall improve relationship

 

[iajj]

I give you a friendly proposal that will serve both sides Vietnam and China interests, as well as easing the concern of international community you can blackmail all, once you take over the waterway: we share the control. You Northern half we Southern half of The SC Sea. Everyone will be happy.

first, the talk of halves gives the delusion of equality, which has no root in political reality.

second, the talk of halves also excludes considerations for other countries - not that they deserve any consideration in china's sovereign waters, but the "talk" of halves that excludes them also gives the viets the sense of superiority over other southeast Asians. historically the lowly viets appropriated Chinese political philosophy and bureaucracy and used the latter to subjugate its still more southern neighbors morally and militarily. and historically the central empire had every interest in disabusing the lowly viets of that sense of moral and cultural superiority over khmers and laotians and malays. that interest is as valid and as salient as ever. any talk that gives appearance of superiority and precedence of viets' claim to those of the malays or finos must be spurned.

viets must take their place among all those marginal peoples. it is a place distinctively inferior to the central nation, and it is a place not at all distinct from those of other peripheral races. viets must be made to adhere to both points. if necessary, they must be made to relearn their rightful, lowly place through chinese military might, just as they have been ever since time immemorial.

 

[Place Of Space]

I give you a friendly proposal that will serve both sides Vietnam and China interests, as well as easing the concern of international community you can blackmail all, once you take over the waterway: we share the control. You Northern half we Southern half of The SC Sea. Everyone will be happy.

No interests of your proposal. 9-dashes is very obvious.

 

[terranMarine]

I smell the fear coming from that sh!t, it's all over the place. For years he has been talking with some tough attitude towards China with US,Japan backing up PH and VN. We already predicted the outcome long ago and right now he's proposing a deal. How sad and pathetic he looks right now, constantly trying to act tough and talking down China. In the end US backed down, his dog Abe has silenced too. PH has a smarter leader and is reaping the benefit right now. Vietcongs wooing US,JP,ASEAN alliance against China has totally backfired which we all have been saying for years. US ain't gonna send their men to die for Vietnam so they can grab the islands for free, how naive and childish that kind of behavior that is, totally deluded Viets. With DPRK issue more pressing, US needs close contact with China is the only logical policy hence not making any reckless statements on SCS or even Taiwan goes without saying. Our predictions all came out. The whole US mastermind of containing China literally sank and Vietnam became the lonely opponent with nothing to gain, a total loser in the end. Now VN wants to repair some damage, but you know a loser will remain a loser. With our rapid buildup nobody is a match for that, not surprising analysts are already predicting within 10-15 years PLAN would rule SCS. The sticks are getting bigger day by day.

 

[GS Zhou]

I give you a friendly proposal that will serve both sides Vietnam and China interests, as well as easing the concern of international community you can blackmail all, once you take over the waterway: we share the control. You Northern half we Southern half of The SC Sea. Everyone will be happy.

Thanks to your proposal. But I personally don't like it. And I also believe most of the Chinese PDFers here won't like it.

Let time to judge who will be the owner of South China Sea and the SCS islands. I believe we are all young enough to see that day to come.

A birdview of China's JNCX shpyard, in Dec. 2016

The latest picture of DL shipyard. DL is not just about building aircraft carrier. How many type 052D destroyers and type 055 destroyers you could count from this picture?

 

[Brainsucker]

Vietnam's President Tran Dai Quang (R) and China's President Xi Jinping inspect honour guards during a welcoming ceremony outside the Great Hall of the People, in Beijing, China May 11, 2017. REUTERS/Jason Lee REUTERS

BEIJING (Reuters) - The leaders of China and Vietnam had "positive" talks about the disputed South China Sea on Thursday with neither side criticizing the other, a senior Chinese diplomat said.

Vietnam is the country most openly at odds with China over the waterway since the Philippines pulled back from confrontation under President Rodrigo Duterte.

Speaking after Chinese President Xi Jinping met Vietnamese President Tran Dai Quang in Beijing's Great Hall of the People, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin said the South China Sea had been brought up in their talks.

"It was discussed but the main tone was very positive," Liu told reporters.

Both agreed to follow their consensus to continue stabilizing the situation and to keep pushing talks, as well as continue joint resource exploration in less sensitive areas, like the Gulf of Tonkin, he added.

"I think that talking about the South China Sea this time is really a positive piece of news. Neither side raised any criticisms of each other. There were no voices of that were out of step," Liu said.

China claims 90 percent of the potentially energy-rich South China Sea. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan lay claim to parts of the route, through which about $5 trillion of trade passes each year.

Last year, tensions heightened between Beijing and Hanoi after Taiwan and U.S. officials said Beijing had placed surface-to-air missiles on Woody Island, part of the Paracel archipelago which China controls.

Vietnam called China's actions a serious infringement of its sovereignty over the Paracels.

In 2014, tensions between the two communist countries peaked more dramatically when China moved an oil rig into disputed waters and protests broke out across Vietnam.

Relations have since gradually improved with a series of high level visits between the two, though the military buildup continues in the region, including China's building of airstrips on man-made islands in the South China Sea.

In comments in front of reporters, Xi told Quang he hoped to take relations to a new stage to better benefit both peoples.

Xi also praised the leadership of Vietnam for its economic reforms.

"As a comrade and neighbor, we are happy to see this," Xi said.

Quang is in Beijing to attend a weekend conference on an ambitious scheme proposed by Xi to build a new Silk Road connecting China to Asia, Europe and beyond through massive infrastructure investment.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Nick Macfie)

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ositive-talks-with-vietnam-on-south-china-sea

Isn't this good?

 

[Viet]

first, the talk of halves gives the delusion of equality, which has no root in political reality.

second, the talk of halves also excludes considerations for other countries - not that they deserve any consideration in china's sovereign waters, but the "talk" of halves that excludes them also gives the viets the sense of superiority over other southeast Asians. historically the lowly viets appropriated Chinese political philosophy and bureaucracy and used the latter to subjugate its still more southern neighbors morally and militarily. and historically the central empire had every interest in disabusing the lowly viets of that sense of moral and cultural superiority over khmers and laotians and malays. that interest is as valid and as salient as ever. any talk that gives appearance of superiority and precedence of viets' claim to those of the malays or finos must be spurned.

viets must take their place among all those marginal peoples. it is a place distinctively inferior to the central nation, and it is a place not at all distinct from those of other peripheral races. viets must be made to adhere to both points. if necessary, they must be made to relearn their rightful, lowly place through chinese military might, just as they have been ever since time immemorial.

you again with Middle Kingdom complex

No interests of your proposal. 9-dashes is very obvious.

You forget the gang on the other side of the street: the US/JP military alliance

@Suika

Thanks to your proposal. But I personally don't like it. And I also believe most of the Chinese PDFers here won't like it.

Let time to judge who will be the owner of South China Sea and the SCS islands. I believe we are all young enough to see that day to come.

A birdview of China's JNCX shpyard, in Dec. 2016
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The latest picture of DL shipyard. DL is not just about building aircraft carrier. How many type 052D destroyers and type 055 destroyers you could count from this picture?
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My proposal serves very well China interests, not the number of your warships. Remember, in the old days during the military clash with the Ming navy, we fielded 1,000 warships onto the water. Ok I admit those ships were of course smaller and weaker than your present day frigate and destroyer. Anyway we have less warships but possess land based antiship missiles that pose a serious threat to any Navy operating in the SC sea.