South China Sea Forum

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Red Vietnam is walking a thin line by playing the balancing act between the two giant rivals.

They knew that Obama's USA is trying to make use of them to counter China but they cannot afford to offend China, the former motherland either. President Obama who was denied a full Red Carpet reception at Hangzhou Airport is on his way out and his TPPA will be history soon.

That is why Red Vietnam quickly signed up for China's CREP although she already to join TPPA.
France and Germany have both described the European TIPP as the most UNFAIR trade agreement ever.
That makes Philippines who did not signed up SMARTER than the Vietnamese.

It's starting:

China building in disputed shoal: Philippines' Duterte


Beijing is expanding its large-scale land reclamation in the disputed South China Sea, Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte said Friday, despite an international court ruling rejecting most of China's claims in the resource-rich area.

A UN-backed tribunal ruled in July that China's claims to almost all of the strategic sea had no legal basis and its construction of artificial islands in disputed waters was illegal.

But Duterte said he received an "unsettling" intelligence report showing China had sent barges to the contested Scarborough Shoal and had appeared to begin construction in the area for the first time.

"There seem to be new barges coming in and they suspect that's going to be another construction."

China has sought to assert its claims in the South China Sea by building a network of artificial islands capable of supporting military operations.

Its massive land reclamation has prompted criticism from the US and claimant countries, with Washington warning it endangers freedom of navigation in international waters.

Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also have claims to the sea, through which over $5 trillion in annual trade passes.

The Scarborough Shoal, a rich fishing ground within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone and far away from the nearest major Chinese landmass, is a particular flashpoint. China took control of Scarborough Shoal in 2012 after a stand-off with the country's navy.

Duterte's comments come a week before a regional summit in Laos where the South China Sea dispute will be on the agenda.

He said he would consider bringing up the construction work during bilateral talks with Beijing, adding it would affect global commerce.

"If (China) continues building military installations there ... insurance would go up for the ships and the goods they transport. Because then it would be a source of conflict and thereby the threat is always there."

Duterte, who took office two months ago, has vowed to mend ties with China after his predecessor Benigno Aquino angered Beijing by filing the arbitration case in 2013.

He has said he would not raise the matter of the ruling in Laos to avoid escalating tensions. But on Friday, Duterte he said he would insist on China's compliance with the verdict during direct talks with Beijing.

He criticised the Asian giant's statements saying it would ignore the ruling.

"We can only take so much but you cannot be slapped every day with (those) kinds of words."

Philippines cannot stop the machinery which is already in motion. China has GRAND DESIGN on these islands and NO amount of provocations from USA or allies will ever changed anything.

Filipino have to thanks US returnee BS Aquino for completing his great assignment for the CIA in exchange for his President. Now the newly elected President Duterte has to work very hard to regain the confidence of China which they have offended.

Don't forget it was the Filipino Coastguards that arrested Chinese Fishermen and drove then away from their traditional fishing shelters.

 

[terranMarine]

Red Vietnam is walking a thin line by playing the balancing act between the two giant rivals.

They knew that Obama's USA is trying to make use of them to counter China but they cannot afford to offend China, the former motherland either. President Obama who was denied a full Red Carpet reception at Hangzhou Airport is on his way out and his TPPA will be history soon.

That is why Red Vietnam quickly signed up for China's CREP although she already to join TPPA.
France and Germany have both described the European TIPP as the most UNFAIR trade agreement ever.
That makes Philippines who did not signed up SMARTER than the Vietnamese.



Philippines cannot stop the machinery which is already in motion. China has GRAND DESIGN on these islands and NO amount of provocations from USA or allies will ever changed anything.

Filipino have to thanks US returnee BS Aquino for completing his great assignment for the CIA in exchange for his President. Now the newly elected President Duterte has to work very hard to regain the confidence of China which they have offended.

Don't forget it was the Filipino Coastguards that arrested Chinese Fishermen and drove then away from their traditional fishing shelters.

Trump will torpedo TTP into the depths of SCS, our Viet members will look like monkeys if the deal is off and their wet dream of containing China will be totally shattered. Vietnam is now more than eager to have better ties with China after the arbitration case went into a downhill spiral

 

[cochine]

US Secretary of State urges China, Philippines to abide by PCA ruling
Last update 13:32 | 04/09/2016

US Secretary of State John Kerry has urged China and the Philippines to abide by the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA)’s ruling on the East Sea issue, saying that military acts are not a solution to the dispute.

US Secretary of State John Kerry



Addressing a meeting with students during his visit to New Delhi from August 29-31, Kerry said the ruling by the international arbitration court is final and legally binding on all related parties.

This is a crucial opportunity to uphold the existing rule-based international order in line with current law, he said, adding that the US supports efforts to resolve dispute through diplomatic channel.

His comments came ahead of the G20 Summit slated for September 4-5 in the Chinese city of Hangzhou.

On July 12, the PCA issued the ruling saying that China has no historic title over waters of the East Sea.

The Hague Tribunal also found no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the so called nine-dash line.

VNA

 

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Russia Supports China’s Stance on South China Sea

WORLD 17:30 05.09.2016(updated 17:52 05.09.2016)

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow supports China’s stance on the South China Sea court dispute and opposes any third-party interference.

HANGZHOU (Sputnik) – Russia supports China’s stance on the South China Sea court dispute and opposes any third-party interference, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday.

"Chairman Xi Jinping and I have developed very trusting, I would say friendly, relations. But he never – I want to emphasize this – never approached me requesting to somehow comment, somehow intervene in the matter," Putin told reporters.

"We of course have our own opinion on this matter. It is that, first of all, we do not interfere and we believe that any intervention of a non-regional power goes only to the detriment of settling these issues. The intervention of third-party non-regional powers, in my opinion, is harmful and counterproductive," he added.

On July 12, the Hague-based Permanent Court of Arbitration ruled that Beijing has no legal basis to claim historic rights to South China Sea resources and has violated the sovereign rights of the Philippines in the country's exclusive economic zone.

The ruling came after Manila filed a case in January 2013 accusing Beijing of violating the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

"We stand in solidarity and support of China's position on this issue – not to recognize the decision of this court… This is not a political position, but purely legal. It lies in the fact that any arbitration proceedings should be initiated by the disputing parties, while the arbitration court should hear the arguments and positions of the disputing parties. As you know, China did not address the Hague arbitration and no one listened to its position there. How can you recognize these decisions as fair? We support China's position on this issue," Putin stressed.

Beijing’s territorial claims to the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, which are believed to be rich in oil and gas reserves, run counter to those of the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160905/1044988523/russia-china-putin.html

 

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"We stand in solidarity and support of China's position on this issue – not to recognize the decision of this court… This is not a political position, but purely legal. It lies in the fact that any arbitration proceedings should be initiated by the disputing parties, while the arbitration court should hear the arguments and positions of the disputing parties. As you know, China did not address the Hague arbitration and no one listened to its position there. How can you recognize these decisions as fair? We support China's position on this issue," Putin stressed.

Wow, such a strong statement!

The pain from the statement must have been felt all across SCS down to Vietnam.

The hell with Russia, Vietnam has India and Brahmos.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Trump will torpedo TTP into the depths of SCS, our Viet members will look like monkeys if the deal is off and their wet dream of containing China will be totally shattered. Vietnam is now more than eager to have better ties with China after the arbitration case went into a downhill spiral

Recently there was a discussion in Singapore on which nation will caught a COLD when China sneezes.

One of them high in the list is Vietnam which is in fact quite dependent on China looking at the trade statistics.

So when I read what the Vietnamese boys are posting in here, I have a good laugh.

 

[cochine]

Russia Supports China’s Stance on South China Sea

WORLD 17:30 05.09.2016(updated 17:52 05.09.2016)

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow supports China’s stance on the South China Sea court dispute and opposes any third-party interference.

HANGZHOU (Sputnik) – Russia supports China’s stance on the South China Sea court dispute and opposes any third-party interference, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday.

"Chairman Xi Jinping and I have developed very trusting, I would say friendly, relations. But he never – I want to emphasize this – never approached me requesting to somehow comment, somehow intervene in the matter," Putin told reporters.

"We of course have our own opinion on this matter. It is that, first of all, we do not interfere and we believe that any intervention of a non-regional power goes only to the detriment of settling these issues. The intervention of third-party non-regional powers, in my opinion, is harmful and counterproductive," he added.

On July 12, the Hague-based Permanent Court of Arbitration ruled that Beijing has no legal basis to claim historic rights to South China Sea resources and has violated the sovereign rights of the Philippines in the country's exclusive economic zone.

The ruling came after Manila filed a case in January 2013 accusing Beijing of violating the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

"We stand in solidarity and support of China's position on this issue – not to recognize the decision of this court… This is not a political position, but purely legal. It lies in the fact that any arbitration proceedings should be initiated by the disputing parties, while the arbitration court should hear the arguments and positions of the disputing parties. As you know, China did not address the Hague arbitration and no one listened to its position there. How can you recognize these decisions as fair? We support China's position on this issue," Putin stressed.

Beijing’s territorial claims to the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, which are believed to be rich in oil and gas reserves, run counter to those of the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160905/1044988523/russia-china-putin.html

Russia has used China to counter USA, simply geopolitical tactic.

 

[terranMarine]

Wow, such a strong statement!

The pain from the statement must have been felt all across SCS down to Vietnam.

The hell with Russia, Vietnam has India and Brahmos.

These are indeed very powerful words coming from Putin. His sharp and penetrating eyes saw through the smoke screen laid down by US and its lackeys. Over 60-70 countries who supported China's stance knew there's something going on that really stinks thus stood by China's side. Russia added extra weight with the joint military excercise in SCS to make a clear statement that she too does not find it acceptable that US is meddling with sovereign issues which doesn't concern her at all. Again US is no stakeholder and it's adding more oil to heat things up. But we all understand perfectly well the malignant intentions coming from the bald eagle.

 

[cochine]

Recently there was a discussion in Singapore on which nation will caught a COLD when China sneezes.

One of them high in the list is Vietnam which is in fact quite dependent on China looking at the trade statistics.

So when I read what the Vietnamese boys are posting in here, I have a good laugh.

China is loser following PCA ruling. You can laugh or cry here, we don't care.

 

[terranMarine]

China is loser following PCA ruling. You can laugh or cry here, we don't care.

You sound like EastSea, Niceguy they always were repetitive

 

[cochine]

You sound like EastSea, Niceguy they always were repetitive

we are local Vietnamese, whos are living in Vietnam, dudde.

 

[bobsm]

Russia has used China to counter USA, simply geopolitical tactic.

Which part of this don't you understand, or don't want to understand?

"This is not a political position, but purely legal. It lies in the fact that any arbitration proceedings should be initiated by the disputing parties, while the arbitration court should hear the arguments and positions of the disputing parties. As you know, China did not address the Hague arbitration and no one listened to its position there. How can you recognize these decisions as fair? We support China's position on this issue, Putin stressed."

 

[cochine]

Which part of this don't you understand, or don't want to understand?

"This is not a political position, but purely legal. It lies in the fact that any arbitration proceedings should be initiated by the disputing parties, while the arbitration court should hear the arguments and positions of the disputing parties. As you know, China did not address the Hague arbitration and no one listened to its position there. How can you recognize these decisions as fair? We support China's position on this issue, Putin stressed."

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It is very clear that Putin said about purely legal, the formality of arbitration procedure, not about the nature of award PCA ruling on this dispute. Putin forgot that China denied to join in bcz China didn't have evidents to approve her claim in SCS.

So I said that he would like to use China to counter USA Asia pivot in Asia, purely.

 

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It is very clear that Putin said about purely legal, the formality of arbitration procedure, not about the nature of award PCA ruling on this dispute. Putin forgot that China denied to join in bcz China didn't have evidents to approve her claim in SCS.

So I said that he would like to use China to counter USA Asia pivot in Asia, purely.

Please read slowly and carefully, for the meaning of the statement may go above your head.

"This is not a political position" - Putin

 

[terranMarine]

Please read slowly and carefully, for the meaning of the statement may go above your head.

"This is not a political position" - Putin

To Kecho it is a political one, apparently he thinks he knows better what's going on in Putin's mind as he is speaking on his behalf.