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Send a request to the government of China. I don't have them.

These ancient Chinese maps are all that I have.
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Spratly Islands have belonged to China since ancient times

Ocean-faring Chinese explorers had claimed the Spratly Islands a thousand years ago.

[Source: Wikipedia article on Spratly Islands with primary sources listed in footnotes]

"Ancient Chinese maps record the 'Thousand Li Stretch of Sands'; Qianli Changsha (千里長沙) and the 'Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools'; Wanli Shitang (萬里石塘),[7] which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries. [8][9] They are also referenced in the 13th century,[10] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[11] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,[12] 1755,[13] 1767,[14] 1810,[15] and 1817.[16] A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as 'Wanli Changsha'.[17]"

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"By the twelfth century, names for the South China Sea islands began to appear. The Paracels and the Spratlys were referred to more consistently as Changsha and Shitang. By the mid-fourteenth century, Shitang could be accurately identified as the Spratlys. There is also evidence of Chinese naval control over some areas of the South China Sea, which resulted in complete Chinese dominion of the South China Sea in the late thirteenth century. Finally, in the fifteenth century, Zheng He's seven voyages placed the South China Sea islands on the official navigational charts. In this map, the Xisha Islands are called Shitang, and the Nansha Islands are referred to as Wansheng Shitang Yu."

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"The Map of South and East Ocean Sea Routes was drawn in between 1712-1721 by Qing (Ching) Dynasty Fujian (Fuchien) Province Navy Commander Shi Shibiao, the son of a famous Qing Dynasty imperial officer. This map shows the sea routes, time, and descriptions from Chinese coastal ports to Japan, Laos, Vietnam, Indonesia, Brunei, Cambodia and the Philippines. On this map, the locations and names of the Southern Sea Islands (Nanhai Zhudao) are very accurate. The map shows Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea islands (including Nansha Islands, Xisha Islands, Zhongsha Islands and Dongsha Islands)."

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"A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as [Chinese] 'Wanli Changsha'."
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"Paracel Islands as shown in Zheng He Voyage Map (the group of rocks at the lower right hand corner)[21]"
(Source: "MAO KUN MAP-19" by Mao Kun - mybook. Licensed under Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons)

"Xisha

The Chinese name Xisha (西沙), literally 'western sands' or 'shoals', is a modern name that distinguishes the Pratas from the 'eastern sands' (the Dongsha or Pratas), the 'southern sands' (the Nansha or Spratlys), and the 'central sands' (the Zhongsha or Macclesfield Bank). The Voyage with the Tail Wind, based on 13th-century Yuan documents but published during the Ming, called the islands the 'Distant Stony Banks' (万里石塘, Wànlǐ Shítáng, lit. 'Myriad-mile Rock Embankment').[22] The name also appears in the 'Map of Zheng He's Voyage' written in the 1430s.[23]
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21. ^ The Overall Survey of the Ocean's Shores, Appendix 1 China in Southern Island 万生石塘 annotated as the Paracel Islands by J.V.Mills, White Lotus Press ISBN 974-8496-78-3
22. ^ 順風相送 [Shùnfēng Xiāng Sòng, Voyage of the Tail Wind]. Hosted at Chinese Wikisource. (Chinese)
23. ^ "郑和航海图" (Chinese), cited in The Overall Survey of the Ocean's Shores, App. 1: 'China in Southern Island'. White Lotus Press. ISBN 974-8496-78-3."

Don't lie bro.

There is stated in your map posted above: "Jiaozhi border" and "Jiaozhi Ocean" (Vietnamese Ocean). It is written in Hanzi.

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Prepare for war ...:yahoo::sniper:
Vietnam Coast Guard received new replenishment tanker( #7011).
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...two patrol ship (2500 ton ) with helideck ( #8004,#8005)
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x4 400ton class patrol ship ( #4036,#4037,#4038,#4039), equiped 23mm twin-barrelled :sniper:
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ROC government reiterates its position on South China Sea issues

Date: 2015/10/31
October 31,


The government of the Republic of China ( Taiwan ) takes note of the awards pertaining to jurisdiction in the Philippines-mainland China arbitration issued by the arbitral tribunal on October 29, 2015, and solemnly reiterates its position on the South China Sea as follows:

1. Whether from the perspective of history, geography, or international law, the Nansha (Spratly) Islands, Shisha (Paracel) Islands, Chungsha Islands (Macclesfield Bank), and Tungsha (Pratas) Islands (together known as the South China Sea Islands) , as well as their surrounding waters, are an inherent part of ROC territory and waters. As the ROC enjoys all rights to these islands and their surrounding waters in accordance with international law, the ROC government does not recognize any claim to sovereignty over, or occupation of, these areas by other countries, irrespective of the reasons put forward or methods used for such claim or occupation.

2. The South China Sea islands were first discovered, named, and used, as well as incorporated into national territory, by the Chinese. Furthermore, the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which entered into effect on April 28, 1952, as well as the Treaty of Peace between the ROC and Japan , which was signed that same day, together with other international legal instruments, reconfirmed that the islands and reefs in the South China Sea occupied by Japan should be returned to the ROC.

3. Taiping Island (Itu Aba), the largest (0.5 square km) of the naturally formed Nansha (Spratly) Islands , has been garrisoned by ROC troops since 1956. From legal, economic, and geographic perspectives, Taiping Island (Itu Aba) indisputably qualifies as an “island” according to the specifications of Article 121 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), and can sustain human habitation and economic life of its own; it is thus categorically not a “rock” under the same article. Any claims by other countries which aim to deny this fact will not impair the legal status of Taiping Island (Itu Aba) and its maritime rights based on UNCLOS.

4. The ROC has consistently adhered to the principles of peaceful settlement of international disputes and freedom of navigation and overflight as stipulated in the UN Charter and other relevant international law and regulations. In fact, the ROC has defended Taiping Island (Itu Aba) and other islands without ever getting into military conflict with other nations. Nor has the ROC interfered with other nations’ freedom of navigation or overflight in the South China Sea .

5. The ROC government calls on the coastal states of the South China Sea to respect the provisions and spirit of the UN Charter and UNCLOS, and to exercise restraint, safeguard peace and stability in the South China Sea, uphold the freedom of navigation and overflight through the South China Sea, refrain from taking any action that might escalate tensions, and resolve disputes peacefully.

6. On May 26, 2015, the ROC government proposed the South China Sea Peace Initiative, which is based on the principles of safeguarding sovereignty, shelving disputes, pursuing peace and reciprocity, and promoting joint development. Based on consultations conducted on a basis of equality and reciprocity, the ROC is willing to work with other parties concerned to jointly ensure peace and stability in the South China Sea , as well as conserve and develop resources in the region.

7. The Philippines has not invited the ROC to participate in its arbitration with mainland China , and the arbitral tribunal has not solicited the ROC’s views. Therefore, the arbitration does not affect the ROC in any way, and the ROC neither recognizes nor accepts related awards. (E)


ROC government reiterates its position on South China Sea issues - News and Events - Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Republic of China (Taiwan) 中華民國外交部 - 全球資訊網英文網
 
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China is afraid to go to arbitration, just talking about muscles. Claim of China is illegal.
 
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Seems there have been no new clear satalite pics of construction on the new islands for some time please post if you have any new ones available thx
 
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Maybe but I like to observe the content of what's being constructed on them
 
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Taiwan quietly holds ceremony marking port opening on disputed Spratly island - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun
December 13, 2015
By SATOSHI UKAI/ Correspondent

TAIPEI--Taiwan's Interior Ministry announced on Dec. 12 the completion of port facilities on Taiping island, part of the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Although a ceremony was held to mark the opening, Taiwan President Ma Ying-jeou did not attend, partly due to concerns raised by the United States about the international impact of such a visit.

China has been escalating efforts to effectively control the Spratlys, which have heightened tensions in the South China Sea.

Taiwan built the port facilities on an island that it effectively controls, but which is also known as Itu Aba island and claimed by China, the Philippines and Vietnam.

Although Taiping island only has a total mass of about 0.5 square kilometer, it is the largest natural island among the Spratlys, lying about 1,600 kilometers from southern Taiwan.

Over a two-year construction period, Taiwan not only reinforced the existing runway, but also constructed a lighthouse and harbor where large ships can dock.

According to the Taiwan newspaper United Evening News, Ma decided not to attend the ceremony because of concerns it could affect the sale of weapons to Taiwan by the United States.

In Ma's place, Chen Wei-zen, the interior minister, attended.

However, Ma could still possibly visit Taiping before his term in office ends.

William Stanton, who now heads the Center for Asia Policy at the National Tsing Hua University in Taiwan after serving as the de facto U.S. ambassador to Taiwan, pointed to the November meeting between Ma and Chinese President Xi Jinping, the first time the leaders of Taiwan and China have ever met.

"If Ma was to go to Taiping, I think it would more closely identify the Taiwanese position with that of China," Stanton said.

Because China considers Taiwan as part of its territory, any territorial claims made by Taiwan would also revert back to China in the event of a reunification.

By SATOSHI UKAI/ Correspondent​
 
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Taiwan Minister Christens Projects on Taiping, Among Spratly Islands
Official inaugurates new wharf, lighthouse, reasserting Taiwan’s territorial claims in South China Sea

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By JEREMY PAGE
Dec. 13, 2015 9:57 a.m. ET

BEIJING—Taiwan’s interior minister has paid a rare visit to a disputed island in the South China Sea and inaugurated a new wharf and lighthouse there, reasserting his government’s territorial claims in a region where China’s land reclamation has ignited international tensions.

Chen Wei-zen and other senior officials flew to Taiping Island on Saturday to preside over a ceremony marking the completion of a two-year project to upgrade infrastructure, according to a statement from Taiwan’s interior ministry.

Taiping Island, which houses a military airfield, is the largest natural island in the Spratlys chain and the only one controlled by Taiwan, whose claims in the area overlap with those of China, Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines and Brunei.

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But Mr. Chen, the interior minister, also thanked coast-guard personnel and construction workers for helping to defend the island, according to the statement.

And he reaffirmed Taiwan’s position that Taiping should be considered a natural island, rather than a rock, because it had sufficient ground water and other resources to sustain human life, according to the statement.

Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, a natural island capable of sustaining human habitation is entitled to an exclusive economic zone—which allows regulation of matters such as mineral and fishing rights—stretching up to 200 nautical miles from its shores.

Defense experts say Taiwan has been building a new wharf on Taiping Island—also known as Itu Aba—to allow larger ships to dock there, while upgrading its airstrip to allow frequent flights by larger cargo planes.

The island’s 1,195-meter (3,944-foot) airstrip is big enough to accommodate Taiwan’s F-16 fighters, C-130 Hercules cargo planes and P-3 maritime patrol aircraft, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, or CSIS, in Washington.

Taiwan took control of Taiping Island in 1946, established a permanent base in 1956 and sent 100 coast-guard personnel to replace its marines there in 2000, according to the CSIS Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, which monitors territorial disputes in the area.
 
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WW-1 era tactics, they haven't learn from WW-2 era anything? Facepalm

In Korean war, PLA used human wave tactic too. They did in the same way in Sino-Vietnam war 1979.

Sorry off topic.

You are wrong ! China Army use "Short Attack" in Korean War not Human wave attack like Soviets did in World War 2. That's different !
But, U.S and South Korean forces misleading it. they think, they have been under attack by Human wave attack, but the Truth is not. That's Short Attack, and Different with Human wave attack.

the Chinese short attack — a combination of infiltration and the shock tactics employed by the PLA during the Korean War. According to some accounts, Marshal Peng Dehuai—the overall commander of the Chinese forces in Korea—is said to have invented this tactic. A typical Chinese short attack was carried out at night by small fireteams on a narrow front against the weakest point in enemy defenses.The Chinese assault team would crawl undetected within grenade range, then launch surprise attacks against the defenders in order to breach the defenses by relying on maximum shock and confusion.

If the initial shock failed to breach the defenses, additional fireteams would press on behind them and attack the same point until a breach was created.Once penetration was achieved, the bulk of the Chinese forces would move into the enemy rear and attack from behind.During the attacks, the Chinese assault teams would disperse while masking themselves using the terrain, and this made it difficult for UN defenders to target numerous Chinese troops. Attacks by the successive Chinese fireteams were also carefully timed to minimize casualties.

Image of Dec. 13, 2015.
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Nice view :P
 
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