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U.S. armchair warriors and their lapdog fanmaids are really getting all flustered up about their 'undefeatable' army watching incapable like ducks while China is reinforcing its territory ignoring all their rambling and political cries :D
So, when can we look forward to a serious reply from you? I'm mean, rather than the substanceless drivel above?
 
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European MPs support Vietnam’s view on East Sea dispute
VietNamNet Bridge - Speaking during a business trip in Vietnam, the European parliamentary delegation said it fully supported the view of Vietnam in the East Sea issue, based on the principles of maintaining peace, adhering to international law, and maintaining equality among nations.

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The European parliamentary delegation led by Mr. Werner Langen (third from right) visited Vietnam from November 4-6.

The announcement was made by the European Parliament’s Delegation for relations with Southeast Asia and ASEAN countries (DASE) after the visit to Vietnam.

Regarding the tense situation in the East Sea, DASE Chairman Werner Langen, head of the delegation, reaffirmed the EU’s stance that all concerned parties should seek peaceful solutions which are relevant to international law, particularly the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

Langen said that the East Sea is not only the issue of Vietnam but of many other member countries of ASEAN and the EU supports resolving the problem through peaceful negotiations and means.

He noted that trade between the EU and Vietnam and other countries in the region depends on the freedom of navigation in the East Sea; therefore it is necessary to maintain safety and freedom of navigation in the East Sea.

Langen insisted that the European Parliament supports the view of Vietnam. The Statement of G7 Summit last year made it clear that it should support peaceful solutions. This can be considered one of the important steps in promoting cooperation between the EU and Vietnam and other countries in the ASEAN region.

Mr. Richard Ashworth, a member of the delegation, added that the European Parliament was keeping track of the East Sea situation with great interest.

He said that in the meetings with Vietnamese officials, the European parliamentary delegation learned the approaches of Vietnam to the East Sea issue and they will report back to the European Parliament on Vietnam's position. The delegation fully supported Vietnam's view, based on three basic principles:

Firstly, disputes in the East Sea must be resolved by negotiation and peaceful measures.

Secondly, these measures must be based on international law.

Thirdly, international law must be applied to all countries, big or small, weak or strong.

He said that the EU hopes resolving the conflict in the East Sea will create a precedent for resolving similar disputes in the world and not leave the consequences to which the parties do not want.

The EU also expects to receive stronger support from other countries including ASEAN and the countries concerned in the region to solve this problem, said Ashworth.

Ashworth added that the European Union attaches great importance to the resolution of the current conflict in the East Sea. European MPs will contact and put pressure on their governments to put the East Sea issue to the G7 Summit.

Referring to the US’s sending of patrol ships into the area of 12 nautical miles around the artificial islands built illegally by China in the East Sea, Ashworth said if the patrol was conducted in accordance with international law, then the EU fully supported it.

"We also fully support if the patrols set out the principles of international law enforcement in the region," Ashworth said.



Tran Cham


 
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What does that proof? First you claim US is gonna gain EXTRA foothold and when i ask you which country is gonna allow US military to station on their soil you said Vietnam and Taiwan. Do you know how stupid that sound? A Communist country asking US military to screw the local women? We know how that turned out for the Pinoys the moment the Yankees set their feet back on Pinoy land. As for Taiwan you obviously have zero clue what you are talking about when you said the relation with US is closer than i think. In case you have not noticed Taiwan never condemned Mainland for the SCS land reclamation plus Taiwan also supports the 9 dash line. If the US-TW relation is that close, why don't the Americans sell the Taiwanese F-35 or nuclear subs but have no issues selling those jets to South Korea and Japan

The reclamation and militarizations of these islands are here to stay and what is the US gonna do about it? The middle finger just isn't enough for the Pinoys and the Viets. :lol:
 
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What does that proof? First you claim US is gonna gain EXTRA foothold and when i ask you which country is gonna allow US military to station on their soil you said Vietnam and Taiwan. Do you know how stupid that sound? A Communist country asking US military to screw the local women? We know how that turned out for the Pinoys the moment the Yankees set their feet back on Pinoy land. As for Taiwan you obviously have zero clue what you are talking about when you said the relation with US is closer than i think. In case you have not noticed Taiwan never condemned Mainland for the SCS land reclamation plus Taiwan also supports the 9 dash line. If the US-TW relation is that close, why don't the Americans sell the Taiwanese F-35 or nuclear subs but have no issues selling those jets to South Korea and Japan

The reclamation and militarizations of these islands are here to stay and what is the US gonna do about it? The middle finger just isn't enough for the Pinoys and the Viets. :lol:

Where a firecracker will do why use an atom bomb as the cliche goes. We haven't sold those to TW so as not to rile up China. YET! Keeping it in our arsenal of things to rattle China as need be. If we nuclear arm TW, you could do ZILCH (just like you did your with CLOSE Pal (terrorist) Pakistan).

While I am at it, let me add that in case of nuclear exchange between India and Pak, India WILL see to it that a few of them from Indian side land in China so it gets a taste of its own medicine of using snakes as pets for biting others.

[Looking fwd to being banned for telling the truth :-). Again]
 
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Where a firecracker will do why use an atom bomb as the cliche goes. We haven't sold those to TW so as not to rile up China. YET! Keeping it in our arsenal of things to rattle China as need be. If we nuclear arm TW, you could do ZILCH (just like you did your with CLOSE Pal (terrorist) Pakistan).

While I am at it, let me add that in case of nuclear exchange between India and Pak, India WILL see to it that a few of them from Indian side land in China so it gets a taste of its own medicine of using snakes as pets for biting others.

[Looking fwd to being banned for telling the truth :-). Again]

Why are you dodging my questions and giving us some lousy excuse? :lol: I tell you why because i slapped you with a dose of reality check. Just watch the development in SCS for the coming months and see if Vietnam or Taiwan will invite American troops to station on their soil. There's also no point talking about IFs, just look at your pathetic homeland Tejas program. Even the Americans label the Tejas as a flying coffin. :rofl: Why don't you tell those skeptical Americans IF the Tejas is inducted it will rule the sky?
 
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Stop Opposing China's Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt Corollary
Posted: 11/04/2015 2:17 pm EST Updated: 11/04/2015 2:59 pm EST

The United States should cease opposing China's version of the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary.

All we have to fear is fear itself.

Years ago, I attended a meeting with a high level Chinese official in the offices of the then Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The official explained that for more than a century the United States had grown bigger while China had become smaller. Now it was China's turn to grow bigger.

There was no pretense that China's expansion would further "Manifest Destiny,' offshore balancing, regional stability, or any other strategic model. It would represent the adolescent gratification of power for its own sake. China would redraw maps to correspond to its territorial ambitions.

Thus, China is now projecting maritime power over the South and East China seas in disputes with Vietnam Japan, the Philippines, and other Asian nations. It is building a Blue Water Navy and strengthening its armed forces to establish a sphere of influence in the Pacific and East Asia.

The United States is alarmed. We recently sailed a United States navy guided missile destroyer within the 12-nautical-mile territorial limits of Subi and Mischief Reefs in the South China Sea claimed by China.

President Barack Obama has announced a United States pivot from the Middle East to East Asia.
But is China doing anything more reckless than imitating our venerated Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary?

On December 2, 1823, President James Monroe's seventh annual message to Congress proclaimed "that the American continents, by the free and independent condition which they have assumed and maintain, are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers...With the Governments who have declared their independence and maintain it, and whose independence we have, on great consideration and on just principles, acknowledged, we could not view any interposition for the purpose of oppressing them, or controlling in any other manner their destiny, by any European power in any other light than as the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United States...It is impossible that the allied powers should extend their political system to any portion of either continent without endangering our peace and happiness...."

President Monroe, however, had no writ to speak for the entire North and South American continents. He imply asserted in the manner of a papal encyclical that the United States would not tolerate within the Western Hemisphere any political dispensation in any country encouraged by a European power that conflicted with the principles of the United States Constitution.

President Theodore Roosevelt's 1905 Monroe Doctrine Corollary declared that the United States was deputed by the heavens to exercise an international police power to intervene anywhere in the Western Hemisphere to prevent any blemish on our conception of civilized society:

"Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence to exercise an international police power."

The Corollary coincided with President Roosevelt's scored earth campaign against Filipinos fighting for independence. His tactics in the Philippines included the burnings of entire villages, torture and concentration camps. He sermonized that "by war alone can we acquire the virile qualities necessary to win in the stern strife of national life," i.e., savagery is better than civilization.

Invoking the Monroe Doctrine, the United States initiated the Mexican-American War ostensibly to prevent Great Britain or France from imposing a monarchy on Mexico. Summoning the Roosevelt Corollary, the United States dispatched troops into Caribbean and Central American countries on approximately 20 occasions in the first three decades of the twentieth century, most frequently in the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Mexico to install or insure friendly or obedient governments and to preempt European interventions. In 1961, the United States attempted the overthrow of Communist Cuba's Fidel Castro by force and violence in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. And in 1965, the United States sent troops to the Dominican Republic to insure a government friendly to our interests.

In none of these cases, was the United States responding to an actual or imminent attack in legitimate self-defense under the Constitution or international law.

What is China doing in the South China and East China Seas that the United States has not already done and more in the Western Hemisphere?

Double standards at all times and in all places evoke strife or bitterness. Exemplary is Animal Farm's creed: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

Moreover, China's military adventurism towards Vietnam, Japan, and the Philippines is no threat to United States sovereignty. The three Asian nations are more than capable of self-defense. Vietnam smartly rebuffed China's 1979 invasion. China has never defeated Japan in war. And a Chinese occupation of the Philippines would spawn endless Filipino uprisings at huge expense to China.

To repeat, we have nothing to fear from China's Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary than fear itself. All the money and forces we are wasting on President Obama's pivot to Asia should be redirected to protecting the United States from an actual or imminent attack at home.

Stop Opposing China's Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt Corollary | Bruce Fein
 
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Two U.S. B-52 strategic bombers flew near artificial Chinese islands in the South China Sea this week and were contacted by Chinese ground controllers but continued their mission undeterred, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which more than $5 trillion in global trade passes every year, and the United States has said it will continue conducting patrols to assure freedom of navigation. Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan have rival claims in the region.

In the latest mission, which occurred overnight on Nov. 8-9, the bombers flew "in the area" of the Spratly Islands but did not come within the 12-nautical-mile zones that China claims as territory around islands it has built in the chain, said Commander Bill Urban, a Pentagon spokesman.

"The B-52s were on a routine mission in the SCS (South China Sea)," taking off from and returning to Guam, Urban said.

Chinese ground controllers contacted the bombers but the aircraft continued their mission unabated, Urban said.

"We conduct B-52 flights in international air space in that part of the world all the time," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told a news briefing earlier on Thursday.

Last month, a U.S. warship challenged territorial limits around one of China's man-made islands in the Spratly archipelago with a so-called freedom-of-navigation patrol, the most significant U.S. challenge yet to territorial limits China claims around its new islands.

U.S. and Chinese warships and aircraft regularly communicate when operating near each other in Asian waters, U.S. military officials say.

U.S. bomber flew near Chinese-built island in South China Sea: Pentagon| Reuters

Source: US B-52 bombers fly near Chinese made islands in South China Sea
 
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Stop Opposing China's Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt Corollary
Posted: 11/04/2015 2:17 pm EST Updated: 11/04/2015 2:59 pm EST

The United States should cease opposing China's version of the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary.

All we have to fear is fear itself.

Years ago, I attended a meeting with a high level Chinese official in the offices of the then Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The official explained that for more than a century the United States had grown bigger while China had become smaller. Now it was China's turn to grow bigger.

There was no pretense that China's expansion would further "Manifest Destiny,' offshore balancing, regional stability, or any other strategic model. It would represent the adolescent gratification of power for its own sake. China would redraw maps to correspond to its territorial ambitions.

Thus, China is now projecting maritime power over the South and East China seas in disputes with Vietnam Japan, the Philippines, and other Asian nations. It is building a Blue Water Navy and strengthening its armed forces to establish a sphere of influence in the Pacific and East Asia.

The United States is alarmed. We recently sailed a United States navy guided missile destroyer within the 12-nautical-mile territorial limits of Subi and Mischief Reefs in the South China Sea claimed by China.

President Barack Obama has announced a United States pivot from the Middle East to East Asia.
But is China doing anything more reckless than imitating our venerated Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary?

On December 2, 1823, President James Monroe's seventh annual message to Congress proclaimed "that the American continents, by the free and independent condition which they have assumed and maintain, are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers...With the Governments who have declared their independence and maintain it, and whose independence we have, on great consideration and on just principles, acknowledged, we could not view any interposition for the purpose of oppressing them, or controlling in any other manner their destiny, by any European power in any other light than as the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United States...It is impossible that the allied powers should extend their political system to any portion of either continent without endangering our peace and happiness...."

President Monroe, however, had no writ to speak for the entire North and South American continents. He imply asserted in the manner of a papal encyclical that the United States would not tolerate within the Western Hemisphere any political dispensation in any country encouraged by a European power that conflicted with the principles of the United States Constitution.

President Theodore Roosevelt's 1905 Monroe Doctrine Corollary declared that the United States was deputed by the heavens to exercise an international police power to intervene anywhere in the Western Hemisphere to prevent any blemish on our conception of civilized society:

"Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence to exercise an international police power."

The Corollary coincided with President Roosevelt's scored earth campaign against Filipinos fighting for independence. His tactics in the Philippines included the burnings of entire villages, torture and concentration camps. He sermonized that "by war alone can we acquire the virile qualities necessary to win in the stern strife of national life," i.e., savagery is better than civilization.

Invoking the Monroe Doctrine, the United States initiated the Mexican-American War ostensibly to prevent Great Britain or France from imposing a monarchy on Mexico. Summoning the Roosevelt Corollary, the United States dispatched troops into Caribbean and Central American countries on approximately 20 occasions in the first three decades of the twentieth century, most frequently in the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Mexico to install or insure friendly or obedient governments and to preempt European interventions. In 1961, the United States attempted the overthrow of Communist Cuba's Fidel Castro by force and violence in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. And in 1965, the United States sent troops to the Dominican Republic to insure a government friendly to our interests.

In none of these cases, was the United States responding to an actual or imminent attack in legitimate self-defense under the Constitution or international law.

What is China doing in the South China and East China Seas that the United States has not already done and more in the Western Hemisphere?

Double standards at all times and in all places evoke strife or bitterness. Exemplary is Animal Farm's creed: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

Moreover, China's military adventurism towards Vietnam, Japan, and the Philippines is no threat to United States sovereignty. The three Asian nations are more than capable of self-defense. Vietnam smartly rebuffed China's 1979 invasion. China has never defeated Japan in war. And a Chinese occupation of the Philippines would spawn endless Filipino uprisings at huge expense to China.

To repeat, we have nothing to fear from China's Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary than fear itself. All the money and forces we are wasting on President Obama's pivot to Asia should be redirected to protecting the United States from an actual or imminent attack at home.

Stop Opposing China's Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt Corollary | Bruce Fein

That's why the only way to overcome the problem of double-standard is not whining or back-stepping, but more aggressively building an inherently peaceful but potentially destructive national power.

When supported by enough fire power, all the moral concerns will be secondary. In almost all cases, morality is a reflection of absolute physical power.

That's basically why China's build up and construction programs shall continue NO MATTER WHAT until the desired national outcomes are achieved.
 
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