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Hello, Taiwan has been under "sanction" for years by weapon suppliers so its really stupid to believe that most of Taiwan's 327 fighters are even functional enough to fly and even launch A2A missiles beyond 100 km; that's why Taiwan constantly wants more new fighters despite having 327fighters and 700 Patriot missiles. In another words, Taiwan is just bluffing about their air force and its functional numbers.

Flying P3C for ASW, sure you can if you even have the luxury of sparing some fighters to escort them but the current state of Taiwan airforce will not permit it to do so. Vietnam's 36 Flankers are more than enough to devastate Taiwan's airforce and surface combatants with our capabilities to launch long ranged missiles like the R-27, R-77, and the 300-km Yakhont while the Kilo-sub is capable to firing 290-km Club-S missiles and God knows how many of this missile we have produced
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Its so idiotic that you Vietcong now focus on Taiwanese controlled islands when China is threatening you. Guess what, in a naval conflict between Taiwan and Vietcong, Taiwan would have the upper hand. All you do is name dropping some Russian supplied weapons without discussing how these weapons would be used. You also dismiss Taiwan's aircraft preparedness by coming up with assumptions you cannot back up.

In any given day, Taiwan will win a naval engagement. Its navy will send the "new" kilo down the ocean.
 
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Its so idiotic that you Vietcong now focus on Taiwanese controlled islands when China is threatening you. Guess what, in a naval conflict between Taiwan and Vietcong, Taiwan would have the upper hand. All you do is name dropping some Russian supplied weapons without discussing how these weapons would be used. You also dismiss Taiwan's aircraft preparedness by coming up with assumptions you cannot back up.

In any given day, Taiwan will win a naval engagement. Its navy will send the "new" kilo down the ocean.

Problems to us is Mainland China, not you Taiwanese.
 
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Not really. It will get detected by ASEA first. Then the Missile will be tacked and gets blocked by EWS and if that fails it will get intercepted by H-9 ASM/AAM. Remember Yakhont missiles are Ramjets like Projectiles. It need Oxygen suction. If the missile passes though this tier of defense then the the F-2000 Missile comes to place. The F-2000 is like PAC-3, its can intercept missiles at close range. If it fails, then another tier of defense comes into place, which is Radar blinding, Flares and the last ditch attempt which is CIWS guns which has radar guidance rather than obtical

The Type 052D is designed for Missile defense. OMG it main propose was fleet protection from Missiles not Anti-shipping like other combat vessels. It's like the argies saying they can sink a UK Type 45 with a new Exocet and Harpoon block 2.



I think employing tactics such as ambush or hit and run to surprise the enemy are the best choice. The closer we come the less time they have to response.
 
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China's latest town is a small and distant isle in the Southern Chinese suppliers Sea, hardly large enough to coordinator just one airstrip.
 
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No Movement on Major Disputes as Clinton Meets With Chinese Leaders
By STEVEN LEE MYERS and JANE PERLEZ
Published: September 5, 2012

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President Hu Jintao of China with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in Beijing on Wednesday.

BEIJING — The United States and China clashed openly on Wednesday over two of the most contentious issues riling their relationship, the violence in Syria and growing tensions over territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

After hours of meetings with other top leaders that began Tuesday night and continued Wednesday, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to narrow the gaps over international crises involving Iran and North Korea and the competition for dominance in the Asia-Pacific region. China also rebuffed Mrs. Clinton’s appeals to soften its support for the government of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria. Adding to the bumps on what is likely to be Mrs. Clinton’s last visit to China as secretary of state, one of her most important appointments, a session with Vice President Xi Jinping, the likely next leader of China, was canceled.

Most important, the Chinese leadership showed no signs of buckling after months of efforts by Mrs. Clinton and her senior aides to persuade the country to be more flexible on maritime disputes in the South China Sea.

“China has sovereignty over the islands of the South China Sea and the adjacent waters,” the foreign minister, Yang Jiechi, declared flatly during a lengthy appearance with Mrs. Clinton in the Great Hall of the People on Tiananmen Square. “There is plentiful historical and jurisprudential evidence for that.”

When asked about the deepening of American military engagement in Australia and the Philippines, Mr. Yang pointedly added that the United States should reconsider its own strategy in Asia in light of “the trends of our current era and the general wish of countries in the region.”

Mrs. Clinton and her senior aides did not come to Beijing with high expectations of resolving major differences, given China’s once-in-a-decade leadership transition beginning this fall. The highly scripted transition has been jolted by a political scandal that led to the downfall of a major party official, Bo Xilai, that revealed some of the maneuvering among the political elite. As Mrs. Clinton was wrapping up her trip, a central figure in the scandal, Wang Lijun, was charged with “bending the law for selfish ends, defection, abuse of power and bribetaking,” according to the official Xinhua news agency.

American officials said that Mrs. Clinton was not told of the looming charges against Mr. Wang during her talks on Tuesday and Wednesday, but, they said, the United States had expected that Mr. Wang would be charged at some point amid the churning internal maneuvering ahead of the transition.

At the news conference with Mr. Yang, there was little effort to paper over the two countries’ differences on Syria and the territorial disputes in the South China Sea. In July, China established a military garrison and a legislative assembly on the tiny Paracel Islands, which Vietnam also claims, exacerbating the tensions there.

Mrs. Clinton, who is in the middle of a 10-day trip through Asia, has repeatedly called on China to discuss with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations a code of conduct to address disputes in the region. The Chinese have firmly resisted that idea, with Mr. Yang insisting on direct negotiations with individual countries.

The State Department has said that China would be more likely to get its way by bargaining with individual nations than with the entire regional bloc.

In the last few months, for example, China has effectively blocked the Philippines, an ally of the United States, from gaining access to the Scarborough Shoal, known as Huangyan Island by China. The Chinese placed a rope across the entrance to the island lagoon and have kept patrol boats in the adjacent waters.

After days of hostile articles in the official Chinese news media about American interference in the region, Mr. Yang said any settlement over the South China Sea disputes should only involve those “directly concerned,” in other words, not the United States.

The foreign minister repeated China’s oft-stated policy that China would assure “the freedom and safety of navigation in the South China Sea.”

On the conflict in Syria, Mrs. Clinton reiterated American criticism of China’s veto, with Russia, of three United Nations Security Council resolutions intended to press Mr. Assad to end the violent crackdown in his country, which has claimed an estimated 20,000 lives and created a rising flood of more than 240,000 refugees, 100,000 in the last month.

“We believe that the situation in Syria is a threat to peace and stability in the entire region,” Mrs. Clinton said. “And the longer the conflict goes on, the greater the risk that it spills over borders and destabilizes neighboring countries.”

The foreign minister, Mr. Yang, countered that China opposed international interference in any other country’s internal affairs, though he expressed support for the peace proposal of the former United Nations envoy, Kofi Annan, which American and most other diplomats consider to be moot at this point. He suggested that China’s policy, not the United States’, would ultimately prove successful. “I think history will judge that China’s position on the Syrian question is a promotion of the appropriate handling and resolution” of the violence there, he said.

The Foreign Ministry said at its regular briefing that the cancellation of Mrs. Clinton’s meeting with Mr. Xi was a “normal adjustment of the itinerary.” Mr. Xi also canceled his scheduled meeting Wednesday with Singapore’s prime minister, Lee Hsien Loong. “We have reached consensus with the United States and Singapore” on the cancellations, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hong Lei, said.

Diplomats in Beijing said they were told that Mr. Xi had hurt his back and said there was no reason not to believe that explanation, even though there was speculation about whether the cancellation of the meeting with Mrs. Clinton was connected to the once-in-a-decade transition, or whether it was intended as a snub.

Instead of Mr. Xi, Mrs. Clinton met with the vice premier, Li Keqiang, who is expected to become the premier early next year. Earlier Wednesday, she met with President Hu Jintao, whose term ends next year, at the Great Hall of the People. Despite the differences, Mrs. Clinton and her aides appeared satisfied with the Obama administration’s efforts to build greater openness between the two countries by creating regular consultations that allow them to endure disagreements like those on display here. She noted that President Obama and Mr. Hu have met 12 times, while she has visited Beijing five times, joking at one point that she had lost count.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/w...-clinton-meets-with-chinese-leaders.html?_r=1
 
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China's Hu urges Asia-Pacific nations to ensure peace
Posted: 08 September 2012 0906 hrs | Channel NewsAsia - Latest News, Singapore, Asia, World and Business News - channelnewsasia.com

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Chinese President Hu Jintao delivers his address during the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) CEO summit in Vladivostok on September 8, 2012. (AFP/Saeed Khan)

VLADIVOSTOK, Russia: Chinese President Hu Jintao on Saturday urged all Asia-Pacific nations to help ensure peace in the region, amid a series of territorial rows that have inflamed nationalist tensions.

"To maintain peace and stability as well as the sound momentum of economic growth in the Asia-Pacific, it is in the interests of all countries in the region, it is our shared responsibility," Hu told a regional forum in Russia.

The Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) bloc's annual gathering of leaders, held this year in the Russian Pacific port of Vladivostok, was due to officially open later Saturday.

The talks, which are meant to focus on opening up trade within the 21-member group, are this year being held under the cloud of a series of territorial disputes, involving several members, including China.

Hu's call for cooler heads, at a business forum ahead of the leaders' summit, came a day after he raised South China Sea disputes in separate talks with President Truong Tan Sang of Vietnam and Brunei's Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah.

China claims nearly all of the South China Sea as its own. But Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Taiwan also have overlapping claims, and the disputes have for decades made the sea a potential military flashpoint.

Vietnam and the Philippines have accused China of ramping up a campaign of intimidation recently to enforce its claims to the South China Sea, causing a rapid decline in diplomatic relations.

In 1974, 53 Vietnamese military personnel were killed when Vietnam lost a battle for control of the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea.

In 1988, another 70 Vietnamese soldiers died when the two nations battled for control of a reef in another archipelago in the sea.

Chinese state media said Hu told Sang on Friday that Beijing and Hanoi should take a step back and work together to resolve their row peacefully.

"There have been some difficulties with China-Vietnam relations because of the dispute in the South China Sea. This is what we don't want to see," the China Daily quoted Hu as telling Sang.

"Hu said the two sides should keep cool-headed and restrained and avoid taking any unilateral measure that will magnify, complicate or internationalise the dispute, to prevent the issue from affecting East Asian cooperation and regional stability," it added.

He told the Sultan of Brunei the issue was "a chronic headache that should be resolved properly through dialogue and negotiations", the report said.

The United States has angered China by lobbying hard for a code of conduct among nations involved and insisting that freedom of navigation in the strategic sea was in its interest.

Meanwhile, China has become embroiled in an arguably even more hostile row with Japan, another APEC member, over competing claims to islands in the East China Sea.

China-Japan tensions have risen in recent months, spiking in the past week after Japanese media, citing government sources, said Tokyo had agreed to buy a contested group of islands in the sea from their Japanese landowners.

China responded by saying it would take all "necessary measures" to defend its claims to the Diaoyu islands, known in Japanese as the Senkaku chain.

Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said on Friday he would not hold a customary, official meeting with Hu at APEC this weekend because of the dispute, although he would consider informal talks.
China's Hu urges Asia-Pacific nations to ensure peace - Channel NewsAsia
 
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all necessary measures? Sounds to me like a threat!
Will China risk a war with Japan?
 
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all necessary measures? Sounds to me like a threat!
Will China risk a war with Japan?


Yeah it's a threat but back up by muscle......


China's defense ministry voices protest to Japan over Diaoyu Islands

The armed forces of China are completely opposed to the Japanese government's move to "purchase" the Diaoyu Island and two of its adjacent islands, Chinese Defense Ministry Spokesman Geng Yansheng said Tuesday.

Geng issued a statement on the Japanese government's implementation of so-called "nationalization" of the Diaoyu Islands.

Despite strong opposition from the Chinese side, the Japanese government blatantly announced on Sept. 10 to "purchase" the Diaoyu Island and its affiliated Nan Xiaodao and Bei Xiaodao. This act is a severe infringment of Chinese territorial sovereignty, Geng said.

Geng said the Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islands are China's inherent territory. China has sufficient historical and jurisprudential evidence surrounding this.

Geng said the Japanese government's action and the so-called "island purchase" was totally illegal and invalid.

In the statement, Geng said since the start of the year, the Japanese government has endorsed right wing forces to clamor for the "island purchase" and even move in to "purchasing the islands" by itself. He said this severely harmed the general situation of the development in China-Japan relations.

Geng said in recent years, Japan has expanded armament under various excuses, frequently incurred tension in regional situations and repeatedly stirred up troubles on the issue of the Diaoyu islands. Such moves are worthy of high vigilance by its Asian neighbors and the international community.

"The Chinese government and armed forces stand firm and are unshakeable in its determination and will safeguard sovereignty over the nation's territories," Geng said.

"We are watching closely the evolution of the situation and reserve the right to take reciprocal measures," Geng said.


China's defense ministry voices protest to Japan over Diaoyu Islands - Globaltimes.cn
 
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I would say this is a very strong and clear message toward Japan. I can´t remmeber that China voices a similar message against Vietnam. The situation is really escalating a bit.
 
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I would say this is a very strong and clear message toward Japan. I can´t remmeber that China voices a similar message against Vietnam. The situation is really escalating a bit.

yea last time the use of language approached this was right before the korean war, 1962, and sino-vietnam war
 
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China take the action to the southern china sea.china says that this sea is the under the border of china so no one can take any action in this sea region.
 
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China take the action to the southern china sea.china says that this sea is the under the border of china so no one can take any action in this sea region.

we did and do what is necessary to defend our country sovereignty in our sea.
 
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before 1970,Philippean never mark Spratly Islands as their's on its official maps. now you say"China is win". LOL, Philippean still take 10 Islands in south china sea.
In my eyes, you lost 10 coins,now you take back a half coin,the huangyan, and you say you win? Though I don't think nine line is fair.but the SPratly Islands no doubt is belong to china.

Sure whatever we have them in our maps since 1800s sir look at our old Spanish maps or is it not available in commie land?

Who's Philippean?

Our GDP may not be as high as the arrogant Chinese but our intelligence is not as low as theirs. Our elementary students already know that the people living in France are not called Francean and those in Japan as Japanian.

You have a great military to brag about but atleast try not to show how little educated you are compared to those who doesnt even have a decent military to defend its own coasts.

Pare hayaan no na yung mga yan arrogante lang sila wala respeto sa ibang tao ganun ng mga hayop na yan
 
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Actually China has done the US a great favor. It's actions have opened the door for a bigger US presence in the region and the renewed the use of military bases in the Phillipines. Thank you China!

Now start actually attacking our allies in the region instead chest thumping from planting flags on deserted atols with no defenders. And you might find out how paper tiger the US is. Remember to Obama will most likely be out of office in about 7 months.
US has no allies, even people from your closest nato countries detest US, that much is apparent from the internet as well as living in NATO countries

Sure whatever we have them in our maps since 1800s sir look at our old Spanish maps or is it not available in commie land?



Pare hayaan no na yung mga yan arrogante lang sila wala respeto sa ibang tao ganun ng mga hayop na yan
Kobe Bryant is G.A.Y.
Now that's gonna agitate filipines more than any territorial dispute, bakala ka
 
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