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it was made before Colonial time,why not say those marks are Luzon?Your idiot ancients dont konw whats distance,maybe dont know whats size.
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it was made before Colonial time,why not say those marks are Luzon?Your idiot ancients dont konw whats distance,maybe dont know whats size.
Your idiot ancients dont konw whats distance,maybe dont know whats size.
You are sill showed you are stupid
. Look again map below, can you read Han Ji ? Vietnamese stated " 萬里長沙 " or in English " Ten thousands miles". It's size òf our Íslands
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You are sill showed you are stupid
Vietnamese ?
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Just ignore him, bro.You are blind, don't seen nothing.
He's just idiot clown who was condemned by others chinese member because his bullshjt post...
1. Nguyen Dynasty era maps was draw by both Vietnamese ( Nguyen Dynasty ) and Western people like travellers, traders, and missionaries.1、Nguyen Dynasty map was Forged document by French colonizer.
2、 French colonial map ( published by Colony Government ) ?
Vietnamese! Look here!This map was published by France 1912 or 1935.Everybody can't find Hoàng Sa and Trưong Sa.
2. I didn't see your image, it's not display ...
3. If those maps can use as proofs for PRC's claim, Why did they not show off that in any SCS conference !?
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Thanh Nien News
May 28, 2013
Vietnam has accused a Chinese vessel of attacking a Vietnamse fishing boat off the coast of Vietnam's Paracel (Hoang Sa) Islands, calling the incident a breach of international maritime law.
"This is a very serious case, violating Vietnam's sovereignty, threatening the lives and sabotaging the properties of Vietnamese fishermen," Luong Thanh Nghi, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, said in a statement late Monday.
The attack is against the spirit of the talks in which Beijing committed to fully follow the Declaration on the Conduct of the Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), Nghi said.
"Vietnam resolutely opposes this and demands that China investigate and strictly deal with the above wrongdoings and compensate for the damages carried by Vietnamese fishermen," he said.
He also said Vietnamese Foreign Ministry officials on Sunday met representatives of the Chinese embassy in Hanoi. The Vietnamese officials handed over a diplomatic note objecting to the attack, he added.
Tran Van Trung, captain of the attacked vessel, said the incident had happened on May 20 when he and 15 crew members were some 27 nautical miles off Quang Ngai Province's Tri Ton Island of the Paracels, when they were surrounded by a fleet of 18 Chinese boats. The waters where the incident took place has been considered Vietnam's exclusive economic zone.
The Chinese boats continuously forced him to drive his boat away, Trung was quoted by Tuoi Tre (Youth) newspaper as saying. The Chinese forces filmed and photographed them as well, he said.
Later a red boat twice crashed into the Vietnamese boat, causing VND100 million (US$4,689) in damages, according to the Tuoi Tre report.
In March, Vietnam also said a Chinese ship fired flares at four Vietnamese fishing boats from Quang Ngai Province that were fishing in their traditional fishing grounds in the Paracels, a move Vietnam criticized as inhumane and dangerous.
Over the years, hundreds of Vietnamese fishermen and their crews have fallen prey to Chinas increasingly aggressive patrols around the disputed islands in the East Sea, internationally known as the South China Sea.
China and four members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei are embroiled in sovereignty disputes over the East Sea, internationally known as the South China Sea.
China illegally claims sovereignty over 80 percent of the East Sea.
The waters are thought to hold vast untapped reserves of oil and natural gas that could potentially place China, the Philippines, Vietnam, and other claimant nations alongside the likes of Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Qatar.
In 1974, taking advantage of the withdrawal of the American troops from the Vietnam War, China invaded the Paracel Islands. A brief but bloody naval battle with the forces of the then US-backed Republic of Vietnam ensued.
Vietnams behemoth northern neighbor has illegally occupied the islands ever since. But a post-1975 united Vietnam has never relinquished its ownership of the Paracel Islands and continues to keep military bases and other facilities on the Spratly Islands.
Vietnam has also recently voiced its opposition to and dismissed Chinas unilateral ban on fishing in the East Sea that is effective until August.
Vietnam said the banned area encompasses its waters and violates its sovereignty over the Paracels.
To make matter worse, in early this month, China sent one of its largest fishing fleets on record to the disputed Spratly (Truong Sa) Islands, a move analysts say that will inevitably deplete fish stocks further, affecting Southeast Asian littoral states that rely heavily on the same fisheries.
By doing so, analysts say Beijing can dare others to try to expel Chinese fishing boats from one expanse while daring other nations' fishing boats to enter another expanse patrolled by Chinese vessels.
"China will continue to creatively seek new ways to assert its claims commensurate with its increased presence in the area and widening power gap vis-a-vis the other claimants," said Ristian Supriyanto, a maritime expert with the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.
"Although these assertions are actually disregarded by the other claimants, they are enough to demonstrate Chinese resolve," Supriyanto told Thanh Nien News.
The analysts say if China is not opposed by claimant states, its actions will lay the foundation to claim that littoral states have acquiesced and accepted China's territorial claim.
By dispatching its own fishing fleet to one zone (the Spratlys) while forbidding others to fish in another (the Paracels), "China considers the case regarding the Paracels with Vietnam 'closed'," said Mark Valencia, a Hawaii-based expert on the dispute.
May 28, 2013
Vietnam has accused a Chinese vessel of attacking a Vietnamse fishing boat off the coast of Vietnam's Paracel (Hoang Sa) Islands, calling the incident a breach of international maritime law.
"This is a very serious case, violating Vietnam's sovereignty, threatening the lives and sabotaging the properties of Vietnamese fishermen," Luong Thanh Nghi, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, said in a statement late Monday.
The attack is against the spirit of the talks in which Beijing committed to fully follow the Declaration on the Conduct of the Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), Nghi said.
"Vietnam resolutely opposes this and demands that China investigate and strictly deal with the above wrongdoings and compensate for the damages carried by Vietnamese fishermen," he said.
He also said Vietnamese Foreign Ministry officials on Sunday met representatives of the Chinese embassy in Hanoi. The Vietnamese officials handed over a diplomatic note objecting to the attack, he added.
Tran Van Trung, captain of the attacked vessel, said the incident had happened on May 20 when he and 15 crew members were some 27 nautical miles off Quang Ngai Province's Tri Ton Island of the Paracels, when they were surrounded by a fleet of 18 Chinese boats. The waters where the incident took place has been considered Vietnam's exclusive economic zone.
The Chinese boats continuously forced him to drive his boat away, Trung was quoted by Tuoi Tre (Youth) newspaper as saying. The Chinese forces filmed and photographed them as well, he said.
Later a red boat twice crashed into the Vietnamese boat, causing VND100 million (US$4,689) in damages, according to the Tuoi Tre report.
In March, Vietnam also said a Chinese ship fired flares at four Vietnamese fishing boats from Quang Ngai Province that were fishing in their traditional fishing grounds in the Paracels, a move Vietnam criticized as inhumane and dangerous.
Over the years, hundreds of Vietnamese fishermen and their crews have fallen prey to Chinas increasingly aggressive patrols around the disputed islands in the East Sea, internationally known as the South China Sea.
China and four members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei are embroiled in sovereignty disputes over the East Sea, internationally known as the South China Sea.
China illegally claims sovereignty over 80 percent of the East Sea.
The waters are thought to hold vast untapped reserves of oil and natural gas that could potentially place China, the Philippines, Vietnam, and other claimant nations alongside the likes of Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Qatar.
In 1974, taking advantage of the withdrawal of the American troops from the Vietnam War, China invaded the Paracel Islands. A brief but bloody naval battle with the forces of the then US-backed Republic of Vietnam ensued.
Vietnams behemoth northern neighbor has illegally occupied the islands ever since. But a post-1975 united Vietnam has never relinquished its ownership of the Paracel Islands and continues to keep military bases and other facilities on the Spratly Islands.
Vietnam has also recently voiced its opposition to and dismissed Chinas unilateral ban on fishing in the East Sea that is effective until August.
Vietnam said the banned area encompasses its waters and violates its sovereignty over the Paracels.
To make matter worse, in early this month, China sent one of its largest fishing fleets on record to the disputed Spratly (Truong Sa) Islands, a move analysts say that will inevitably deplete fish stocks further, affecting Southeast Asian littoral states that rely heavily on the same fisheries.
By doing so, analysts say Beijing can dare others to try to expel Chinese fishing boats from one expanse while daring other nations' fishing boats to enter another expanse patrolled by Chinese vessels.
"China will continue to creatively seek new ways to assert its claims commensurate with its increased presence in the area and widening power gap vis-a-vis the other claimants," said Ristian Supriyanto, a maritime expert with the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.
"Although these assertions are actually disregarded by the other claimants, they are enough to demonstrate Chinese resolve," Supriyanto told Thanh Nien News.
The analysts say if China is not opposed by claimant states, its actions will lay the foundation to claim that littoral states have acquiesced and accepted China's territorial claim.
By dispatching its own fishing fleet to one zone (the Spratlys) while forbidding others to fish in another (the Paracels), "China considers the case regarding the Paracels with Vietnam 'closed'," said Mark Valencia, a Hawaii-based expert on the dispute.
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Its time for all the parties to get together and jointly develop South China Sea.
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Taipei, May 27 (CNA) China should hit out when necessary to resolve rows over some shoals in the South China Sea that are unlawfully occupied by other countries, a Chinese scholar has urged.
In a recent interview with a Shanghai-based radio, Han Xudong, a professor at the PLA National Defense University, issued the call on grounds that it is hard to settle the territorial disputes in that region through soft power such as "diplomatic maneuvering" and China "should strike at any time when necessary against any attempt by other countries to take control of the islets there."
"Diplomacy only leverages when backed by military might," he said, questioning why China cannot make military moves now that the Renai Shoal and Scarborough Shoal are the sovereign territory of China?
Since China's marine power now is strong enough to protect national interests and rights, China should exercise its diplomatic and military clouts interactively to achieve its aim, he contended.
Conflict between China and the Philippines over the Renai Shoal caught international attention last week after Manila accused Chinese warships of "illegally and provocatively" circling the area, foreign wire services reported.
The Philippines dispatched ships to Renai Shoal, also known as Second Thomas Shoal, in the Spratly Islands, where a handful of marines were living on a grounded ship -- a former U.S. tank-landing vessel that was intentionally abandoned by Filipino authorities to serve as a base in that area.
Han said that the Philippines has long been coveting shoals in the South China Sea and taking control of them since its independence after World War II, at a time when China was mired in internal fighting and its marine forces were powerless.
Even until the 1980s, China's Navy was still weak and those shoals in the South China Sea were beyond the reach of its power, he said.
The lack of attention paid to the region over the long term allowed the Philippines to send marines to station in waters near the Renai Shoal in 1999 and claim sovereignty over it, he said.
That same year, China's embassy in Yugoslavia was shelled by the United States and the bombardment made Beijing realize the fact that it should strengthen its marine power to safeguard its maritime interests.
(By Lawrence Chiu and Flor Wang)
In a recent interview with a Shanghai-based radio, Han Xudong, a professor at the PLA National Defense University, issued the call on grounds that it is hard to settle the territorial disputes in that region through soft power such as "diplomatic maneuvering" and China "should strike at any time when necessary against any attempt by other countries to take control of the islets there."
"Diplomacy only leverages when backed by military might," he said, questioning why China cannot make military moves now that the Renai Shoal and Scarborough Shoal are the sovereign territory of China?
Since China's marine power now is strong enough to protect national interests and rights, China should exercise its diplomatic and military clouts interactively to achieve its aim, he contended.
Conflict between China and the Philippines over the Renai Shoal caught international attention last week after Manila accused Chinese warships of "illegally and provocatively" circling the area, foreign wire services reported.
The Philippines dispatched ships to Renai Shoal, also known as Second Thomas Shoal, in the Spratly Islands, where a handful of marines were living on a grounded ship -- a former U.S. tank-landing vessel that was intentionally abandoned by Filipino authorities to serve as a base in that area.
Han said that the Philippines has long been coveting shoals in the South China Sea and taking control of them since its independence after World War II, at a time when China was mired in internal fighting and its marine forces were powerless.
Even until the 1980s, China's Navy was still weak and those shoals in the South China Sea were beyond the reach of its power, he said.
The lack of attention paid to the region over the long term allowed the Philippines to send marines to station in waters near the Renai Shoal in 1999 and claim sovereignty over it, he said.
That same year, China's embassy in Yugoslavia was shelled by the United States and the bombardment made Beijing realize the fact that it should strengthen its marine power to safeguard its maritime interests.
(By Lawrence Chiu and Flor Wang)
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Vietminhs!
Go cry to uncle sam, or to your bear friend.
Or better yet, get a big hug from your pinoy buddy.
Go cry to uncle sam, or to your bear friend.
Or better yet, get a big hug from your pinoy buddy.
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Their best friend in here is India. I feel sorry for the Vietnamese that fought against the Japanese, French and Americans and now their children and grandchildren are asking India, a western wannabe country, to come help.
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^^^^
^^^
India is only a "friend" to Vietnam on pdf.
In real life, Vietnam has no friends.
^^^
India is only a "friend" to Vietnam on pdf.
In real life, Vietnam has no friends.
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I concur, lets get to action! Endless bickering won't settle any disputes. Plus, the PLA need to be tested in real water. Also wars can help economy when our economy is too saturated with domestic investment. Wars spur technological breakthrough, inspire national morale, so all those "intellectuals" whining on Sina Weibo can shut up. haha . /wink
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But, China Passprt's map not included tiny point to Senkaku.
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You are dementia???
China vast territory
Passprt very small,Passprt's map is a diagrammatic sketch,can't include all
