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Yes, some parts of Paracel islands are about 400km from VN´s coast line, so within reach of Vietnam´s EEZ of 370km (200 nautical miles per UNLCOS).

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It is good idea to send your 1000 Fisher men trawlers and protesters ;)
 
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Get real, Vietnam has no capabilities to take any islands. How do you plan to take the island back when you have no sea worthy assault ships to even try? Quit hallucinating, Vietnam has no capacity now or in the distant future to assert its claims using force. Its gap between the other countries is just too big.
 
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Vietnam should not engage on the Chinese, and the same with China vice versa. Vietnam lacks capability while China would cripple their own economy.
 
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@Viet
didnt your history teacher tell you that the kings of Nhà Hậu Lý were Fujianese descendants?
in fact even your family name were from China.
The Sino-Vietnam relationship is complicated, its history shows many common points, has good and bad sides. We are very similar, more than any other two nations in the world.
 
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It is good idea to send your 1000 Fisher men trawlers and protesters ;)

Another loser come here and cry foul? Evade question of your Indian navy lack of projection power in any ocean and need to talk nonsense here. You too, go one corner and cry. :lol:
 
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Another loser come here and cry foul? Evade question of your Indian navy lack of projection power in any ocean and need to talk nonsense here. You too, go one corner and cry. :lol:

Chinese logic and debating skills are well known by the way you lost your argument in that debate, as usual you people won't agree :lol:
 
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Chinese logic and debating skills are well known by the way you lost your argument in that debate, as usual you people won't agree :lol:

Indian thick skin mentality and master of lying is for all to see. Facts are not needed and fantasy is your prove. I heard the deal with rafale just fall out? I guess you Indian can just go one corner and cry mummy. :lol:
 
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Indian thick skin mentality and master of lying is for all to see. Facts are not needed and fantasy is your prove. I heard the deal with rafale just fall out? I guess you Indian can just go one corner and cry mummy. :lol:

Rafale is not concelled we are bargaining for 100 % tech transfer, not like you who build airframes and try to steal tech related to Engine , Radar and Avionics.

You airforce official came out and cried that chinese are too bent up on listening to orders and they cannot innovate :lol:

India will buy the tech and build up on that. Ever heard about AMCA a true 5th gen fighter not like your canard J20 which is an absurd for stealth tech. :lol:
 
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@Viet
didnt your history teacher tell you that the kings of Nhà Hậu Lý were Fujianese descendants?
in fact even your family name were from China.

The Sino-Vietnam relationship is complicated, its history shows many common points, has good and bad sides. We are very similar, more than any other two nations in the world.

Chinese have a habitat to lying, like Hồ Chí Minh ís Chinese. :omghaha:

Lý Công Uẩn came from village Đình Bảng, Bắc Ninh province near Hà Nội, where are living Kinh people.

Read more.Nhà Lý và đây nữa
胡志明生平考 http://trieunguyen.kilu.de/HoChiMinhBinhSanhKhao.html
 
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My comment on Bloomberg:

"Martin Su 3 minutes ago

UNCLOS has two serious problems.

1. The United States has refused to ratify UNCLOS (ie. UN Convention on the Law of the Sea). Therefore, UNCLOS is not international law.

2. China has arguably the world's second-strongest navy. China has publicly proclaimed it does not recognize UNCLOS jurisdiction over China's maritime boundaries.

In conclusion, the world's two most powerful maritime nations do not recognize UNCLOS authority over maritime law or boundaries. Hence, UNCLOS is not international law and it is only mere guidelines recognized by weak countries."
Congratulation, China has become the new United States!

I find it really amusing that for since the formation of People's Republic of China, China always denouncing US for it unilateral and arrogant attitude towards international convention and law.

Now, once China become stronger militarily, it behaves just like what US did and do. Maybe even worse, as China did ratified UNCLOS, while US decided not to sign and ratify it.
 
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China to let tourists visit disputed South China Sea islets
Monday, April 08, 2013

BEIJING: China will this month start allowing tourists to visit the Paracel Islands, one of a group of disputed islets and reefs in the South China Sea, state news agency Xinhua said, a move likely to irk rival claimant Vietnam.

A cruise ship that can accommodate 1,965 passengers is ready for sailing to the Paracels, known in Chinese as Xisha, Xinhua reported, citing ship owner Haihang Group Corp.

Hainan Harbour and Shipping Holdings Co is building another cruise ship.

“Tourists will eat and sleep on the cruise ships and can land on the islands for sightseeing” ahead of Labour Day on May 1, Tan Li, vice governor of China’s southernmost island province of Hainan, told Xinhua late on Saturday.

There is only one hotel with 56 rooms on the two-sq-km Woody Island, the largest island in the Paracels, the agency said.

“Prices will be relatively high due to the high costs of tourism infrastructure construction,” Huang Huaru, general manager of a tourism agency in Hainan, told Xinhua.

Last year, China approved the formal establishment of a military garrison in Sansha city, which is located on Woody Island. The city administers the mostly uninhabited islands in the South China Sea which China claims.

Tan said local authorities will build more supply ships and infrastructure in Sansha, including ports, water supply and sewage treatment facilities.

China took full control of the Paracels - a cluster of close to 40 islets, outcrops and reefs - in 1974 after a naval showdown with the then South Vietnam, and there have been incidents ever since. Taiwan also claims the Paracels.

Last month Vietnam accused China of opening fire on a fishing boat near the Paracels and burning down its cabin, charges Beijing denied.

Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines also claim other parts of the South China Sea, including the Spratly Islands. China has a separate dispute with Japan in the East China Sea. reuters

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Paracels Islands is part of Vietnam territory. China occupied illegally with force 1974.

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Vietnam has been controlled Islands from ancient time, Chinese are aggressors.
 
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Congratulation, China has become the new United States!

I find it really amusing that for since the formation of People's Republic of China, China always denouncing US for it unilateral and arrogant attitude towards international convention and law.

Now, once China become stronger militarily, it behaves just like what US did and do. Maybe even worse, as China did ratified UNCLOS, while US decided not to sign and ratify it.
Declarations or Statements upon UNCLOS ratification
Introduction:

Article 310 of the Convention allows States and entities to make declarations or statements regarding its application at the time of signing, ratifying or acceding to the Convention, which do not purport to exclude or modify the legal effect of the provisions of the Convention.
Article 310 reads:

"Article 310. Declarations and statements "Article 309 does not preclude a State, when signing, ratifying or acceding to this Convention, from making declarations or statements, however phrased or named, with a view, inter alia, to the harmonization of its laws and regulations with the provisions of this Convention, provided that such declarations or statements do not purport to exclude or to modify the legal effect of the provisions of this Convention in their application to that State."

Article 287, paragraph 1, provides that States and entities, when signing, ratifying or acceding to the Convention, or at any time thereafter, may make declarations specifying the forums for the settlement of disputes which they accept.
Article 287, paragraph 1, reads:

"Article 287. Choice of procedure "When signing, ratifying or acceding to this Convention or at any time thereafter, a State shall be free to choose, by means of a written declaration, one or more of the following means for the settlement of disputes concerning the interpretation or application of this Convention:

(a) the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea established in accordance with Annex VI;
(b) the International Court of Justice;
(c) an arbitral tribunal constituted in accordance with Annex VII;
(d) a special arbitral tribunal constituted in accordance with Annex VIII for one or more of the categories of disputes specified therein."

In addition, article 298, paragraph 1, allows States and entities to declare that they exclude the application of the compulsory binding procedures for the settlement of disputes under the Convention in respect of certain specified categories kinds of disputes. Article 298, paragraph 1, reads:

"Article 298. Optional exceptions to applicability of section 2

"1. When signing, ratifying or acceding to this Convention or at any time thereafter, a State may, without prejudice to the obligations arising under section 1, declare in writing that it does not accept any one or more of the procedures provided for in section 2 with respect to one or more of the following categories of disputes:

(a)(i) disputes concerning the interpretation or application of articles 15, 74 and 83 relating to sea boundary delimitations, or those involving historic bays or titles, provided that a State having made such a declaration shall, when such a dispute arises subsequent to the entry into force of this Convention and where no agreement within a reasonable period of time is reached in negotiations between the parties, at the request of any party to the dispute, accept submission of the matter to conciliation under Annex V, section 2; and provided further that any dispute that necessarily involves the concurrent consideration of any unsettled dispute concerning sovereignty or other rights over continental or insular land territory shall be excluded form such submission;
(ii) after the conciliation commission has presented its report, which shall state the reasons on which it is based, the parties shall negotiate an agreement on the basis of that report; if these negotiations do not result in an agreement, the parties shall, by mutual consent, submit the question to one of the procedures provided for in section 2, unless the parties otherwise agree;
(iii) this subparagraph does not apply to any sea boundary dispute finally settled by an arrangement between the parties, or to any such dispute which is to be settled in accordance with a bilateral or multilateral agreement binding upon those parties;

(b) disputes concerning military activities, including military activities by government vessels and aircraft engaged in non-commercial service, and disputes concerning law enforcement activities in regard to the exercise of sovereign rights or jurisdiction excluded from the jurisdiction of a court or tribunal under article 297, paragraph 2 or 3;

(c) disputes in respect of which the Security Council of the United Nations is exercising the functions assigned to it by the Charter of the United Nations, unless the Security Council decides to remove the matter from its agenda or calls upon the parties to settle it by the means provided for in this Convention."
In another word, it is within the UNCLOS charter that countries are allowed to make declaration on what they chose to abide by. And they are allowed to do this at any time they want to. The UNCLOS is after all termed just as a convention.
 
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