South China Sea Arbitration News & Discussion

[Nilgiri]

But as a result of investment, China has become the largest trading nation on earth and amassed considerable amount of foreign assets. So it was not at all a worthless effort.

Yah its just not the 100% conclusive factor in the world it seems.

And you see ground reality in endless, unprogressive stratum, like caste lovers you are... I, as a Marxist, tend to see reality as being dialectical. Hence, I adopt historical outlook.

See there you are speaking in absolutes again. Assuming I am a caste lover when I didn't bring up Caste or anything of the sort here (whereas your friend certainly did bring up autocratism and absolutism).

Marxism has failed miserably. Just look at the Gini coefficient in China these days. At some level you have to accept people are not all identical and allow those that have the drive to succeed and create wealth and the necessary disparity that results.

The Caste system was traditionally a recognition of these differences in any population....only over time did it migrate into a birth-related phenomenon which created a backward social rigidity. It is now changing quite rapidly esp in the urban and semi urban areas.....this phenomenon will only continue to expand.

But you can continue with the generalised absolutism if you want....it also suits us just fine as well.

 

[oprih]

India's opinion is of zero importance to China. Indians need to stop thinking that it's a big deal when it comes to international matters, honestly it's embarrassing.

 

[oprih]

This is actually a victory for China since the ruling encourages China to build faster and even start more reclamation in other islands.

 

[Jason Zhao]

China still hasn't fired the first weapon. Game is still on.

hahaha China has a policy, we never fire first weapon, if first fire against us, we never let them fire again.
USA, COME ON, WHAT ABOUT YOU? DARE YOU FIRE US PLEASE?

Anyone who doesnt conform to your in-consistent narrative is a false flagger?
Why seperate rules for Muslims of palentine and kashmir and not for Xingiang? Xingiang musliams are not even allowed to pray to their wish. Everything they do is restricted by the commies. They have even less freedoms than our brothers in Kashmir and palestine. If you are a true muslim with an IQ greater than a chimp, it should instantly strike you.

Oh and I'm a false flagger nonsense crumbles down right away if you understand the words written here by me - https://defence.pk/threads/10-bangl...ve-entered-india-says-bangladesh-govt.439002/

Are you really knows our Xinjiang? Have you been there? or just get the news from the people who are against our goverment?
I suggest you to go there, check it by yourself.

In China, our Han people even wish we can be other minority people. as they are more perfect rights than Han people.

 

[Jason Zhao]

India goverment already state that USA has no right to intervene Asian case, Peace Island is a rock????????? Are you kidding me????

USA you are a BOSS??? Other country scale you, that means so we are

 

[greenwood]

Always dealing in absolutes like the autocrat lovers you are.

So fun to see you reacting saying NO NO NO THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE DAMNIT....and everyone else just continuing doing what they are doing completely ignoring what you think are the only options.

We will talk about Chinese relations with the SCS countries as much as we darn well please...either counter us with the facts or if you can't resort to silly option giving....and watch us continue like we care about it.

Nuts to your black and white options in a forum (maybe a forum is quite alien to your ideology?)

Give you a meaningful work here,
Taiping is island or shoal, use your big eyes and give us your first impression: island or shoal ?

Taiping in 1946

Taiping in 1946

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[Pinoy]

July 12, 2016
Asian nations welcome South China Sea ruling

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Vietnamese nationals cheer during a rally by the Manila Bay on Tuesday to show their support for the Philippine case before the UN tribunal

Asian countries locked in maritime disputes with China welcomed the legal victory won by the Philippines over China’s claims in the South China Sea on Tuesday and urged Beijing to respect the verdict in the interests of regional peace and security.

Confrontations over competing claims to the waters have escalated as China continues to build artificial islands in the sea, threatening security and dividing the capitals of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Perfecto Yasay, the Philippine foreign secretary, called for China to comply with the ruling, handed down by a UN tribunal in The Hague, as part of efforts at “promoting and enhancing peace and stability” in the region.

“The Philippines strongly affirms its respect for this milestone decision as an important contribution to ongoing efforts in addressing disputes in the South China Sea,” he said.

The judgment is the first big test for Rodrigo Duterte, the new president of the Philippines. He has promised to improve relations with China but will be under domestic pressure to take a hard line after a judgment so favourable to Manila.


Some observers have questioned whether he may already have reached a deal or understanding with Beijing, although nothing has been said officially by either side.

Hanoi, which has a bitter maritime territorial rivalry with China in the South China Sea, welcomed the ruling and called for territorial quarrels in the region to be resolved using “diplomacy and legal processes” rather than armed force.

Anti-Chinese riots broke out in Vietnam in 2014 after the arrival of a Chinese oil rig near the contested Paracel Islands, causing severe damage to industrial zones.

Japan said it “strongly expects” that compliance with ruling by the two parties would “eventually lead to the peaceful settlement of disputes in the South China Sea”. Tokyo has a separate conflict with Beijing in the East China Sea over a chain of islands known in Japan as the Senkaku and in China as the Diaoyu.

But some analysts say Beijing is likely to respond to Tuesday’s legal setback with a show of strength in the affected areas.

“The ruling . . . potentially limits China’s negotiating stance on the disputed maritime area with other countries that also assert claims there, namely Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam,” said Amarjit Singh, senior consultant for country risk at IHS. “However, initially, China’s reaction to the ruling can be expected to be assertive.”

Multiple territorial disputes have caused tensions within Asean, where countries such as the Philippines and Vietnam are pitted against China-leaning Cambodia and Laos, the regional grouping’s current chair.

Beijing has accused some nations, including Vietnam, of doing their own island building.

Hun Sen, Cambodia’s prime minister, has previously accused The Hague tribunal of political bias. A Cambodian government spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.

Thailand, which is not engaged in any maritime dispute with China, called for a code of conduct governing the South China Sea, reflecting efforts by other Asean members to find an agreed way forward.

Singapore urged all parties to “fully respect legal and diplomatic processes”.

“We support the peaceful resolution of disputes among claimants in accordance with universally recognised principles of international law . . . without resorting to the threat or use of force, ” a spokesman for Singapore’s ministry of foreign affairs said in a statement.

The city state has no territorial claims in the South China Sea but is a small open economy that relies on free trade and unhindered navigation.

Malaysia’s ministry of foreign affairs issued a statement calling for the implementation of the Declaration of the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, a 2002 agreement signed by China and Asean to refrain from occupying uninhabited reefs and shoals.

Malaysia, which has staked a territorial claim in the South China Sea, called for all sides to exercise restraint and avoid the use of force, saying it believed a peaceful resolution was possible with respect for international law.

Ian Storey, a senior fellow at Singapore’s Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, said that “given the divisions within [Asean], and China’s ability to exploit those divisions by putting pressure on certain members to do its bidding”, the organisation was unlikely to endorse The Hague verdict when members meet later this month.

 

[Nilgiri]

Give you a meaningful work here,
Taiping is island or shoal, use your big eyes and give us your first impression: island or shoal ?
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When i said shoal earlier I was referring to the shoal Chinese occupied in 2012.

I agree there are islands that China is in control for various lengths of time in modern history.

But same goes for PH and Vietnam w.r.t SCS islands in general.

 

[Jason Zhao]

India~~ Come on~~you have no power to effect us, IF ONE COUNTRY DO NOT WIN THE HISTORY, HOW TO BE A COUNTRY?

This is a basic education of one country!! Of course if that country has no history, then they can forget it.

 

[beijingwalker]

South China Sea decision a hollow victory for the Philippines
ANALYSIS
Bill Birtles
Updated about 2 hours ago

Rarely does a victorious party in such a major legal dispute welcome a decision with such caution.

But the short three-sentence statement read out by Philippines Foreign Minister Perfecto Yasay shows how little the country's international legal win over China will change the situation on the water.

The move by the former Aquino government to attempt to defend the Philippines' maritime territorial rights in the arena of international law was always going to be a bold gamble.

Three years on, the Arbitration Court's award has decimated the basis for most of China's territorial claims, including its historical claims to the "nine-dash line" that engulfs most of the sea.

Even worse for Beijing, the ruling rejects China's assertions that the artificial islands it has constructed give it the legal basis for exclusive economic zones.


That, combined with further adverse findings about China breaching the legal rights of the Philippines and causing "severe harm" to the coral reef environment, should be cause for celebration in Manila.

But this is a David-and-Goliath battle, and whatever moral clout the decision gives to the Philippines, it means little for its fishermen trying to make a living near Chinese-occupied reefs.

After the decision, China declared the ruling "null and void", declared it had carried out more civilian aircraft landings on disputed islands and announced the commissioning of a new guided missile destroyer.

President Xi Jinping declared the ruling would not affect China's interests in the heavily disputed waters, while nationalistic state media outlets declared the tribunal's decision "shameless" and "hopelessly one-sided".

In other words, Beijing is now openly flouting international law and firing up a nationalistic movement at home, ensuring there will be no domestic political softening on its stance.

It appears the Philippines' new government, under President Rodrigo Duterte, is already resigned to that outcome, knowing neither it nor its ally the United States, can do anything substantial to force China to abide by the tribunal's decision.

In the lead-up to the decision, the Philippines made overtures suggesting it was open to joint exploration with China in the areas it claims.

It is obvious which country would hold the power in any negotiations.

"The award of the court vindicates those many nations which have called on China to accept a rules-based order in Asia," ANU's National Security College analyst Rory Medcalf said.

"And it puts expectations on other countries in the region, such as Australia, to stand up for international law."

But with China unwilling to bend, the Philippines may be left wondering if it has won the argument but lost the overall contest for control.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-13/south-china-sea-philippines-hollow-victory/7623460

 

[cochine]

US: Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding

July 12, 2016 Joel Dizon Nation 0



The United States government said that according to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Tribunal’s decision on West Philippine Sea case is final and legally binding on both China and the Philippines.

“As provided in the Convention, the Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding on both China and the Philippines. The United States expresses its hope and expectation that both parties will comply with their obligations,” US State Department spokesperson Assistant Secretary John Kirby said in a press statement released today.

He added that the United States urges all claimants to avoid provocative statements or actions. “This decision can and should serve as a new opportunity to renew efforts to address maritime disputes peacefully,” he added.

“The United States strongly supports the rule of law. We support efforts to resolve territorial and maritime disputes in the South China Sea peacefully, including through arbitration,” Kirby said.

He said that the US government is still studying the decision and have no comment on the merits of the case.

 

[cochine]

US: Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding

July 12, 2016 Joel Dizon Nation 0



The United States government said that according to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Tribunal’s decision on West Philippine Sea case is final and legally binding on both China and the Philippines.

“As provided in the Convention, the Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding on both China and the Philippines. The United States expresses its hope and expectation that both parties will comply with their obligations,” US State Department spokesperson Assistant Secretary John Kirby said in a press statement released today.

He added that the United States urges all claimants to avoid provocative statements or actions. “This decision can and should serve as a new opportunity to renew efforts to address maritime disputes peacefully,” he added.

“The United States strongly supports the rule of law. We support efforts to resolve territorial and maritime disputes in the South China Sea peacefully, including through arbitration,” Kirby said.

He said that the US government is still studying the decision and have no comment on the merits of the case.

 

[Jason Zhao]

US: Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding

July 12, 2016 Joel Dizon Nation 0



The United States government said that according to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Tribunal’s decision on West Philippine Sea case is final and legally binding on both China and the Philippines.

“As provided in the Convention, the Tribunal’s decision is final and legally binding on both China and the Philippines. The United States expresses its hope and expectation that both parties will comply with their obligations,” US State Department spokesperson Assistant Secretary John Kirby said in a press statement released today.

He added that the United States urges all claimants to avoid provocative statements or actions. “This decision can and should serve as a new opportunity to renew efforts to address maritime disputes peacefully,” he added.

“The United States strongly supports the rule of law. We support efforts to resolve territorial and maritime disputes in the South China Sea peacefully, including through arbitration,” Kirby said.

He said that the US government is still studying the decision and have no comment on the merits of the case.

USA ALSO DO NOT ACCEPT THE Tribunal’s decision BEFORE, HOW DARE HE CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE?? SO FUNNY

 

[shree835]

India~~ Come on~~you have no power to effect us, IF ONE COUNTRY DO NOT WIN THE HISTORY, HOW TO BE A COUNTRY?

This is a basic education of one country!! Of course if that country has no history, then they can forget it.

Did not understand your Chinese English...better you type in Chinese...will try to translate.

 

[greenwood]

When i said shoal earlier I was referring to the shoal Chinese occupied in 2012.

I agree there are islands that China is in control for various lengths of time in modern history.

But same goes for PH and Vietnam w.r.t SCS islands in general.

Is Taiping island or shoal after you read those photos, the first impression?

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