South China Sea Arbitration News & Discussion

[CorporateAffairs]

Here is a 10-point guide to the South China Sea dispute:

1. China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei make competing claims to territory in the South China Sea, a 3.5 million sq km area with some of the world's most promising oil and gas fields and vital fishing grounds.
2. China's increased military assertiveness - it has built artificial islands and conducts patrols and military exercises in the area - has had its smaller neighbours worried. It has also led to a confrontation with the United States.
3. The US has backed those against China and has built up military presence in the region to ensure, it says, access to critical shipping and air routes. Both the US and China have accused each other of provocations in the region as recently as last month.
4. China has been very active in the region in recent months installing missile launchers, radars and other military equipment, apart from pouring sand on coral reefs to build artificial islands.
5. The case brought by the Philippines in 2013 challenges China's so-called "nine-dash line", a boundary that is the basis for its claim to roughly 85 percent of the South China Sea.
6. It hinges on the legal status of reefs, rocks and artificial islands in the Scarborough Shoal and Spratly Island Group in the south China Sea, contesting China's control.
7. Manila argues that the Spratlys and the Scarborough Shoal, a scattering of rocks off the coast of the Philippines' Luzon island, are within its territory.
8. Beijing says it has had rights to the territories for centuries, a claim also contested by Vietnam which says it has controlled the Spratlys and another chain of islands called the Paracel for many years. Taiwan too claims those islands.
9. China has boycotted the hearings at the Permanent Court of Arbitration, saying it does not have jurisdiction to decide on the matter.
10. The court cannot enforce its decision but its ruling could embolden Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei to file similar cases.

 

[TaiShang]

China's folly in creating the 9 dash line and claiming many islands in the SOUTH CHINA SEA as its own is threat to world peace in that no country can stop China from maintaining underground shelter for nuclear missiles and weapons -just like in the James Bond movie "MOON RAKER" Readers please think...........ahead about the future in many years hence,

I did not understand most of your points but I an say that the 11-syaped line was drawn in 1946 and submitted to the UN as a legal document by then KMT government of China.

When CPC government of China took KMT's seat at the UN, it also inherited the 11-dahsed line.

It is an international document and therefore cannot be annulled unless it is done by unanimous UNSC vote.

Tag some Indians here as well, otherwise they will feel disappointed you ignore them.

I do not know any of them, frankly. But I can sense the frustration emanating from the understanding that they will never be allowed into the UNSC.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

All the time before the UN decision, you guys have been talking tough about sinking ships, now the decision is against China and all I see so far is a lot of sputtering about building on the islands. So build all you want. The UN decision has more to do with the ownership of the SCS than it is about China's wasting of money on a few man made islands. Essentially, no one owns the SCS, no matter how many maps China can conjure up via Photoshop. The greater issue is that now with this decision, not just China but no one can claim ANY expanse of the seas anywhere ANYWHERE in the world. China made a tactical play and it blew up in Beijing's face.

Wait with patience and see how this unfolds.

Most likely a middle eastern adventure, a black or school shooting or a celibrity scandal will divert the Western attention to 'more pressing matters'.

This SCS issue will be thrown into the 'too hard' basket to be forgotten. The easier 'to do list' is full of middle eastern and South American countries will take precedence.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

In the old days, you could speed up the process by 'breaking' the horse, as in getting on the horse and rode him no matter how much he may protest. China just tried to ride the international horse and got ignobly tossed off.

Break the horse? No, its not the same afterwards.

China has yet to mount the horse let alone get tossed off.

 

[gambit]

Wait with patience and see how this unfolds.

Yeah...China over time will be successful in convincing sea faring nations to give up their right to access vital sea lanes. Which universe is this ?

 

[sword1947]

let's build a new island

 

[gambit]

Break the horse? No, its not the same afterwards.

China has yet to mount the horse let alone get tossed off.

Fine...Then the horse just kicked China in the face.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Back in the old old days when people were taming horses, a person would one day approach a captured horse and stand near by. After a few weeks doing this a person would then walk right up to the horse and put his hand on casually. Later put hands on and leave on. Then put on a blanket. Then change to a saddle. Then ride the horse. Then the horse is his.

From fighting the person who captured it, the horse will yield in TIME.

I think Japan was trying to do that to China in the late 1930's.

 

[Pandora]

The problem in your post is that the UN decision did not came from a trial. It was a dispute over a claim. And China lost.

Decision came from a tribunal to which china never agreed. This tribunal doesn't have any legitimacy in the first place. It doesn't matter if china lost or won as i doubt anyone has got the balls to confront china. At most it was a play made by US which they will wave around for coming months without any success.

It is so funny that US itself violated internal laws several time yet you want to enforce them on china. Yankee hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Yeah...China over time will be successful in convincing sea faring nations to give up their right to access vital sea lanes. Which universe is this ?

The same universe that the USA resides in I believe. Gotta learn from someone.

 

[Zero_wing]

Which recently banned Indian are you?

Wow can't answer resort to dirty name calling and escaping the question typical chinese procedure

 

[Zero_wing]

Do not be emotional.

In terms of China's course of action, it is highly likely that China will continue the build up and development activity as planned.

Hardly anything will change in terms of real policy behavior.

tell that to your fellow zombies then

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

I think Japan was trying to do that to China in the late 1930's.

A small monkey cannot tame a much larger animal.

Fine...Then the horse just kicked China in the face.

Be patient. I heard that it comes with older age, even to cow boys.

 

[kankan326]

Does not matter how many islands you made your broke international law take the case Nicaragua vs the US in the end US had to pay up 30million endettement after ignoring it so go ahead veto it ignore it in the end you have to comply.

Nicaragua is a different case. Cause it's not about territory issue. You want China to give up our territory by a cheap arbitration? How naive is that. The only way you can gain our land and water territory is by war. Sorry. No other choice. I think this ideology works for most countries. Not just China.

 

[gambit]

Decision came from a tribunal to which china never agreed. This tribunal doesn't have any legitimacy in the first place. It doesn't matter if china lost or won as i doubt anyone has got the balls to confront china. At most it was a play made by US which they will wave around for coming months without any success.

It is so funny that US themselves violated internal laws several time yet you want to enforce them on china. Yankee hypocrisy knows no bounds.

It does not matter if China agreed to it or not. In self interests, countries will seek any level of legitimacy they can. With this UN decision, they now will have reasons, regardless of China's attitude, to ignore that silly dashy line that China put forth to claim the entirety of the SCS. Are YOU going to put yourself in the line of fire for China ? We know -- not. You ain't that brave and are not that into China.

As for our hypocrisy, see if that will convince the Asian countries to give up their rights to the SCS.