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China's Piggy Bank Is Way Bigger Than Yours*

China's central bank has $3 trillion sitting in reserves...at least. That means it has more money tucked away to defend its currency and economy from crises than the entire GDP of these significant economies:

UK GDP: $2.6 trillion

France GDP: $2.46 trillion

India GDP: $2.3 trillion

Italy GDP: $1.85 trillion

Brazil GDP: $1.79 trillion

Canada GDP: $1.53 trillion

Russia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Australia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Mexico GDP: $1.04 billion

Saudi Arabia GDP: $646 billion

and even...

Sweden GDP: $511 billion. Sweden!

Source: World Bank
 
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Billionaire George Soros predicted the Chinese renmimbi would fall to an exchange rate of 7-to-1 against the dollar. Wrong. (Photo by Sean Gallup/Getty Images)

It's a miracle of science that the talking heads of the financial press who have been predicting China's demise for the past 10 years are getting invited back to predict more of the same. Whatever they forecast, we can fairly safely assess that we know the outcome...they will be wrong about it again.

Aside from China's oversupply issues and shadow lending system and its housing bubble, China is the world's second most important economy, bar none. It is at least as important as the United States to Brazil; it is more important than the United States in all of southeast Asia. It is more important than the United States in Russia. Argentina has Chinese banks; almost as much as American ones. The housing bubble is a generational phenomenon as much as it is an economic one. Millions are leaving poorer rural areas and moving to cities. Also, due to the fact that many Chinese are more accustomed to buying houses for stores of value than they are buying IRAs and putting money into stock funds, real estate is always in demand and will be until China develops a serious, trustworthy product line of investment funds. That's a whole new world for China, and a massive opportunity for wealth management firms.

Meanwhile, the China hard landing is not upon us.

The Chinese yuan has yet to crack 7 to 1 as George Soros and Barclays both predicted.


China's economy in the first half showed better than expected growth, at nearly 7% versus forecasts of 6%. Incomes are rising as is consumer spending, and corporate earnings at new industry juggernauts like Baidu surprised to the upside.

"The Chinese economy delivered many surprises in the first half of the year, disappointing -- yet again -- the pundits who predicted a hard landing," says Andy Rothman, a Matthews Asia investment strategist and an old China hand who has lived and worked there for 20 years.

China’s central bank added another $46.3 billion to its coffers in the first half of the year, putting the People's Bank of China's foreign currency reserves to $3 trillion. To put that into perspective, China has more money sitting in reserves than Brazil's entire economy produces annually.

Make that one and half times as much...

Rothman says that the increase is largely due to China's latest rules on controlling capital outflow. But just as important has been the surprising strength of the Chinese renmimbi against the dollar. It's been holding strong at 6.74 for weeks now, up nearly 3% against the dollar after shying away from 7 in January. The shorts lost again.

The direction of the Chinese currency is determined primarily by the strength or weakness of the dollar, rather than the health of the Chinese economy. In 2016, when the dollar index rose 3.6%, the remmimbi fell by 6.4% against the dollar. In the first half of this year, the dollar index weakened by 6.4%, helping the renmimbi gain against the greenback.

Rothman says that capital outflows may accelerate a bit in the coming months as Chinese tourists head abroad and parents pay tuition for children who study overseas. Despite that flow, he expects the dollar to remain "fairly soft" against the Chinese currency.

The China consumer story isn't over yet. Part III is in the works and Part IV is being scripted.

Strong wage growth, low household debt, mild inflation and consumer optimism resulted in real retail sales growth of 9.3% in the first half of the year. U.S. real retail sales growth was 2.3% over the same period. Worth noting, spending by Chinese consumers was equal to only 22% of U.S. retail sales 10 years ago. In 2016, it rose to the equivalent of 87% of American consumer spending and is likely to beat the U.S. within a decade. No wonder no one can truly beat up on China.

We will have to reserve that disdain for the Russians.

Back to the matter at hand...China's per capita urban household income rose 6.5% in the first half, up from a 5.8% growth rate during the first half of 2016.

The rebalancing of the Chinese economy continues a pace, with consumption accounting for 63.4% of GDP growth in the first half of 2017, up from a 44.7% contribution during the same period in 2010, Rothman says.

"The consumer story should remain healthy in the coming quarters, and drive an increasingly larger share of China’s economic growth over the coming years," Rothman predicts. Fox Business News, CNBC and Bloomberg need to talk to Rothman instead of the usual chorus of China naysayers.

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The People's Bank of China has more money socked away in its foreign currency reserves than any other nation. In fact, its reserves are so large that they alone dwarf the GDP of major world economies. (Shutterstock)

China's Piggy Bank Is Way Bigger Than Yours*

China's central bank has $3 trillion sitting in reserves...at least. That means it has more money tucked away to defend its currency and economy from crises than the entire GDP of these significant economies:

UK GDP: $2.6 trillion

France GDP: $2.46 trillion

India GDP: $2.3 trillion

Italy GDP: $1.85 trillion

Brazil GDP: $1.79 trillion

Canada GDP: $1.53 trillion

Russia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Australia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Mexico GDP: $1.04 billion

Saudi Arabia GDP: $646 billion

and even...

Sweden GDP: $511 billion. Sweden!

Source: World Bank

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...anding-has-been-postponed-again/#1dc733de48df
 
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Someone posted this in the net.:oops:

1990. The Economist. China&s economy has come to a halt.《经济学人》 中国的经济将陷入停滞。
1996. The Economist. China&s economy will face a hard landing《经济学人》 中国的经济将面临硬着陆。
1998. The Economist: China&s economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth.《经济学人》 中国的经济正进入滞涨危险期
1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy加拿大银行:中国经济可能硬着陆。
2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin.
芝加哥论坛报: 中国货币政策敲响硬着陆丧钟
2001. Wilbanks Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China. WST资产管理公司:中国正在硬着陆
2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing
Westchester大学:中国紧张的寻求经济软着陆
2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China 纽约时报:银行危机使中国陷入危险
2004. The Economist: The great fall of China?《经济学人》:中国陨落?
2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China末日博士Nouriel Roubini:中国的硬着陆危险
2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?国际经济:中国能实现软着陆么?
2007. TIME: Is China&s Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing?时代周刊:中国的经济过热了吗?中国可以躲开硬着陆么?
2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China?福布斯:中国硬着陆?
2009. Fortune: China&s hard landing. China must find a way to recover.财富杂志:中国的硬着陆。中国必须找到恢复的方法。
2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China.末日博士Nouriel Roubini: 硬着陆正在靠近中国
2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think商业内参:中国硬着陆也许比你想象的更近
2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing
美国利益:中国的糟糕经济消息:一次硬着陆
2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China
零对冲: 中国的一次硬着陆
2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China.
CNBC: 中国的一次硬着陆
2015. Forbes: Congratulations You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.福布斯:恭喜,你给自己碰到了一次中国硬着陆
2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China《经济学人》: 硬着陆在中国隐现
2017. National Interest: Is China&s Economy Going To Crash? 国家利益:中国的经济会崩溃么?
 
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Oh it's coming alright. NOTHING can survive this. OBOR is a transparent attempt to keep Chinese infra companies and employees from going bust. Even that isn't gonna prevent this the clients will not be able to pay what they're being signed up for.

 
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Oh it's coming alright. NOTHING can survive this. OBOR is a transparent attempt to keep Chinese infra companies and employees from going bust. Even that isn't gonna prevent this the clients will not be able to pay what they're being signed up for.

That video is posted from a Falun Gong Channel.
 
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That video is posted from a Falun Gong Channel.

Falun Gong or not, your GDP was boosted with easy credit for infra. To hide the slow down they just fueled more credit led construction. This is going to blow a hole th size of half the galaxy in the world economy. And the reason why this is so STUPID is because everyone knew china will have to manage a transition. Instead of biting the bullet and went on doing things to hide the slowdown. I can assure you...all those companies that built those 100s of ghost towns, they just won't be able to pay back the loans. You'll hide it for some time, but eventually it'll blow.
 
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I wonder why people like to compare India with China. Do the two countries really look like twins? In fact India and China have nothing in common except population scales. China's economy is 5 times larger. Which is huge gap. The gap is even bigger than Germany and Turkey. Why the hell people never think Germany and Turkey are in the same league?
 
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Falun Gong or not, your GDP was boosted with easy credit for infra. To hide the slow down they just fueled more credit led construction. This is going to blow a hole th size of half the galaxy in the world economy. And the reason why this is so STUPID is because everyone knew china will have to manage a transition. Instead of biting the bullet and went on doing things to hide the slowdown. I can assure you...all those companies that built those 100s of ghost towns, they just won't be able to pay back the loans. You'll hide it for some time, but eventually it'll blow.

Effect on sensex n nifty n approximate window?

Cheers, Doc
 
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Effect on sensex n nifty n approximate window?

Cheers, Doc

it'll blow. We'll take a hit. If we weren't linked to Chinese economy we could cushion it a bit. Ironically if we remained primary importers the effect would be limited. But since we want to push exports to correct the trade imbalance, our risk will increase. Plus, all those countries that have stakes in China (US, Europe etc.) will take a hit. We will therefore take a hit, there will be a global slowdown.

I wonder why people like to compare India with China. Do the two countries really look like twins? In fact India and China have nothing in common except population scales. China's economy is 5 times larger. Which is huge gap that is even bigger than Germany and Turkey. Why the hell people never think Germany and Turkey are in the same league?

I wonder why you talk so much
 
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it'll blow. We'll take a hit. If we weren't linked to Chinese economy we could cushion it a bit. Ironically if we remained primary importers the effect would be limited. But since we want to push exports to correct the trade imbalance, our risk will increase. Plus, all those countries that have stakes in China (US, Europe etc.) will take a hit. We will therefore take a hit, there will be a global slowdown.



I wonder why you talk so much

My untrained gut says that in scale it's bigger than the US sub prime crisis.

Cheers, Doc
 
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I wonder why people like to compare India with China. Do the two countries really look like twins? In fact India and China have nothing in common except population scales. China's economy is 5 times larger. Which is huge gap that is even bigger than Germany and Turkey. Why the hell people never think Germany and Turkey are in the same league?

Many reasons.. some are..
Both country is full of illiterate arrogant morons.
Both countries have totallatarian government.
Both countries have street shitters.
Same amount of populations.
Both countries don't like losing face.
Both countries surrounded by enemies.
Both countries aspire to become supa Powah. China almost there already.
Both have expendable human resource no one cares about.
Both countries fight against religious extremism. Albeit India is getting diverted due to its own BS religious policies.
Looking at 10 year down the line, india will close the 5 time bigger gap to a small one.
Everyone knows the future economic power and world powers will rise from Asia and the white man is afraid. They use the short sightedness of both country to keep that glorious future un-attainable.
 
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Many reasons.. some are..
Both country is full of illiterate arrogant morons.
Both countries have totallatarian government.
Both countries have street shitters.
Same amount of populations.
Both countries don't like losing face.
Both countries surrounded by enemies.
Both countries aspire to become supa Powah. China almost there already.
Both have expendable human resource no one cares about.
Both countries fight against religious extremism. Albeit India is getting diverted due to its own BS religious policies.
Looking at 10 year down the line, india will close the 5 time bigger gap to a small one.
Everyone knows the future economic power and world powers will rise from Asia and the white man is afraid. They use the short sightedness of both country to keep that glorious future un-attainable.
Some of your reasons work for every country. Not just China and India. Some are only for India. Like street shitters.
I think the biggest difference between China and India is China never titled itself as super power.
 
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My untrained gut says that in scale it's bigger than the US sub prime crisis.

Cheers, Doc

Yes it will be. To give you a comparison 2008 crisis hit was preceded by a large number of houses lying vacant- too easy credit so people buy houses thinking they'll sell it off later because property prices are expected to only go up. In china it is a large number of cities lying vacant.
 
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China's Piggy Bank Is Way Bigger Than Yours*

China's central bank has $3 trillion sitting in reserves...at least. That means it has more money tucked away to defend its currency and economy from crises than the entire GDP of these significant economies:

UK GDP: $2.6 trillion

France GDP: $2.46 trillion

India GDP: $2.3 trillion

Italy GDP: $1.85 trillion

Brazil GDP: $1.79 trillion

Canada GDP: $1.53 trillion

Russia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Australia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Mexico GDP: $1.04 billion

Saudi Arabia GDP: $646 billion

and even...

Sweden GDP: $511 billion. Sweden!

Source: World Bank

You forgot to mention CHina's Debt more than GDP combined of other nations.
 
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Yes it will be. To give you a comparison 2008 crisis hit was preceded by a large number of houses lying vacant- too easy credit so people buy houses thinking they'll sell it off later because property prices are expected to only go up. In china it is a large number of cities lying vacant.

Any idea when?

Won't hold you to it.

Cheers, Doc
 
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