Sophistication of Indian tech is now sufficient to build a Rafale

[SrNair]

Actually Rafale can do all roles that a SU30 can do, and can do it equally good or better. Except that flankers come with additional payload and range.

Su 30 MKI is a heavy class fighter .Not suitable for a SEAD operation.And avionics of Rafale is generation ahead than the Su 30.Only 3 fighters in this world can defeat Rafale in RCS EF typhoon,F22 and F35. Pak fa and j20 is still development.

 

[IPL5]

Chinese are building their own. So I doubt they will beat Indian programs in sophistication and capabilities. (any time soon).

Looks like some baboos are getting huge commission in the deal.


And TOT is for Tots (kids).

No country will ever give you or I, their sophisticated tech.

chinese are already way ahead of us. we also have babus in DRDO.
as far as TOT is concerned it is coming. Jaitley has assured the house in written communication.

 

[abhi21]

Nah..we are lazy...Making proper fighter & induction is far far away as we can not even finish up the damm Rafale deal....

 

[Kloitra]

There is tech

And there is determination.

If determination is lacking, no tech can help.

And then there is Indian bureaucracy. It can break the determination of the toughest nuts!

 

[SrNair]

These are reasons ... true - but unfortunately sound more like excuses. Especially after sending a probe to Mars, we have no legs to stand on and justify the failure (yes) of our home grown fighter/multi-role etc.

This is not an excuses my friend.Of course we can pump lot more in Aerospace forget about feasilibility and success .What would be condition of IAF squadrons even if we did that?
Our HALis still cant handle this project.we dont have any industry.

 

[sancho]

off course, the next gen Indian version will be less capable.

But at least the step in the right direction.

if you buy Rafale now, India will be robbed of money and chances to refine its own industry and products.

How is getting 50% back investment into Indian industry and share of critical radar or engine techs bad for our industry? In fact that's exactly what we need, an infusion of know how in the areas we stuck, radar and engine development. Just spending more in the industry doesn't make you develop things, that's why even China with huge defence spending is still stuggling on fighter engines and so on.
MKI was the first major deal that got us a good part of industrial capability during the licence production, with the coming upgrade the Indian content will be increased even more and the M-MRCA deal was to increase the industrial benefits to the next level too. So the industry surely won't have an issue with that deal, eventhough I feel that we could had got more benefits.

 

[SrNair]

Chinese are building their own. So I doubt they will beat Indian programs in sophistication and capabilities. (any time soon).

Looks like some baboos are getting huge commission in the deal.


And TOT is for Tots (kids).

No country will ever give you or I, their sophisticated tech.

Chinese build their tech because they dont have any other choice.They also invested a lot for R&D.But you know what they did to maintain their squadrons Su 30 directly become Shenyang J11 .A lot other examples.Only recently they developed their J 10 and now J 20.
Sorry we cant follow that practice neither we dont have time.

 

[sancho]

Actually Su-30MKI capable of doing the job of Rafale and much more. Still there are people boasting for Rafale

Who said it can't? But IAF wanted an alternative to them, to not be overdependent on them and Russia, one reason they learned from the Kargil war, it's good to have alternatives.

 

[saurav]

How is getting 50% back investment into Indian industry and share of critical radar or engine techs bad for our industry? In fact that's exactly what we need, an infusion of know how in the areas we stuck, radar and engine development. Just spending more in the industry doesn't make you develop things, that's why even China with huge defence spending is still stuggling on fighter engines and so on.
MKI was the first major deal that got us a good part of industrial capability during the licence production, with the coming upgrade the Indian content will be increased even more and the M-MRCA deal was to increase the industrial benefits to the next level too. So the industry surely won't have an issue with that deal, eventhough I feel that we could had got more benefits.

Please elaborate on these. France will neither give us ToT for AESA Radar ( Modules will most probably come from Thales) nor, the know how for Single Crystal blade ( sufficient to help in developing Kaveri not just manufacturing Rafale's engine ). What else could we get from them which we are lacking in ?

 

[FaujHistorian]

How is getting 50% back investment into Indian industry and share of critical radar or engine techs bad for our industry? In fact that's exactly what we need, an infusion of know how in the areas we stuck, radar and engine development. Just spending more in the industry doesn't make you develop things, that's why even China with huge defence spending is still stuggling on fighter engines and so on.
MKI was the first major deal that got us a good part of industrial capability during the licence production, with the coming upgrade the Indian content will be increased even more and the M-MRCA deal was to increase the industrial benefits to the next level too. So the industry surely won't have an issue with that deal, eventhough I feel that we could had got more benefits.

50% back is huge exaggeration bhai. HuuuuuuugeA!.

 

[Raul_AD]

Who said it can't? But IAF wanted an alternative to them, to not be overdependent on them and Russia, one reason they learned from the Kargil war, it's good to have alternatives.

Best way is to Develop AMCA before SU-30MKI goes redundant agst J-20.

Rafale is waste of money apply it to AMCA and FGFA.

 

[arp2041]

You started a thread to POINT OUT that Indian Aerospace Industry is mature enough to make whatever they want to & how great they are while IGNORING your own country & countrymen?

STRANGE!

 

[saurav]

50% back is huge exaggeration bhai. HuuuuuuugeA!.

ToT does not help much in creating own Mil. Industrial Complex. In the name of ToT they provide Screw driver Technology and HAL ends up assembling the aircraft. Even after decades of getting "ToT" for different aircrafts from both West as well as Russia, HAL is not able to develop an IJT.

Unless sufficient amount is not given for R&D involving Pvt. Players and IAF is forced to place orders for domestic planes, India will have to keep doling out Billions for "ToT".

 

[sancho]

Please elaborate on these. France will neither give us ToT for AESA Radar ( Modules will most probably come from Thales) nor, the know how for Single Crystal blade ( sufficient to help in developing Kaveri not just manufacturing Rafale's engine ). What else could we get from them which we are lacking in ?

So you claim they won't share techs, maybe I claim the opposite and we both can't prove it, since we are not part of the MoD teams that actually have insights in the deal or even to the RFP requirements on that right? All we really know is what officially is stated in the public:

Dassault's Rafale Tech Transfer Offer Compliant: Indian MoD

...Here's Defence Minister Arun Jaitley's full statement:
The process of negotiations with the L-1 vendor, M/s Dassault Aviation of France for procurement of Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) is on. The Request for Proposal (RFP) for procurement of MMRCA included a full section on Transfer of Technology (ToT) requirements. The offer of M/s Dassault Aviation for ToT is compliant to the requirements specified in the RFP.

Livefist: Dassault's Rafale Tech Transfer Offer Compliant: Indian MoD


So whatever was required, Dassault and their partners in the deal were ready to provide it.

 

[sancho]

50% back is huge exaggeration bhai. HuuuuuuugeA!.

Actually that's the requirement based on the RFP, so mandatory!