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When Clement Attlee's Labour party came to power in war devastated Britain in 1945, he accelerated the process of end of British rule in India. Subsequently in June 1947, the Government of India Act, 1947 was promulgated, calling for creation of two independent nations, India and Pakistan, one secular and the other for religion. Now there were two kinds of territories, those under direct British rule and more than 560 princely states, under the rule of Indian princes, comprising of 41 % of total landmass. Sizes varied from as big as France, as for example Hyderabad and Kashmir to as small as a village.

Now, the princes of those bigger states were in no hurry to join India or Pakistan, for that matter most of them chose to stay independent, while the British tried to pursue them to join any dominion. As for example Hyderabad and Kashmir, while the Nawab of Junagadh decided to flee to Pakistan, leaving behind his state matters to his court official.

The most challenging of them all was of course, Kashmir, divided mainly into four parts, the Hindu majority Jammu bordering Punjab, Kashmir valley with Muslim majority, the valley of Ladakh populated largely by the Buddhists and the territories of Gilgit and Baltistan to the west. The last region was also populated by the Muslims, but they were mainly Ismailis, rather than Sunni Muslims, a sect that was declared to be non-Muslim by Pakistan.

Kashmir's rule at that time was Maharaja Hari Singh, who literally loathed the Congress party in general and Nehru in particular, mainly because he feared the land-reforms that Nehru had plans for. Mountbatten had suggested the Maharaja, not to act in haste. While the Maharaja's indecisiveness irked the Indian leaders, his own decisions made the situation far more complex than it already was.
After World War 2, around 60,000 veterans from Poonch only to find they were no longer subjects of Maharaja of Poonch but rather the Maharaja of Kashmir, who imposed high taxes upon them. These war veterans, who were largely Muslims, and all worked up by the recent spurt of communal violence in Punjab, held a public rally in August 1947, and demanded to join Pakistan.The Maharaja dispatched his dogra troops who irresponsibly opened fire in a rather peaceful rally. As a result, some of them went into hiding and some fled to Pakistan; one among them was Sardar Mohammad Ibrahim Khan, lawyer by profession and member of state assembly. He met Colonel Akbar Khan of Pakistani Army and sought help to liberate Kashmir by force. Till this time, both Indian and Pakistani government were in indecisive state.
An enthusiastic Khan, who was the director of weapons and equipment at General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, decided to take the matters in his own hands and not inform Pakistani army chief British General Sir Frank Messervy because Messervy may have communicated that to the Indian Army Chief. Perhaps the Pakistani Army's habit of acting autonomously, without the involvement of civilian authority, started back then.

Some words eventually reached Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan and Sardar Shaukat Hayat Khan, a minister in the Punjab government, but the Pakistani Army Chief and Jinnah himself were still out of the loop. A military thrust was planned, with the objective of deposing Maharaja Hari Singh and taking Kashmir by force. It was assumed that disposed veterans and other Muslims from Poonch and Kashmir valley will join the uprising. The overall plan was characterized by amateur enthusiasm, lack off operational experience and inability to foresee the immediate enemy reaction and it's after effects.

One will find striking similarities in these schemes of 1948, 1965 and 1999. All had some over-enthusiastic and somewhat out-of-control military officer/political leader planning for taking the region by military,characterized by lack of coordination/communication, with the assumption that locals will support them and in all cases, the enemies response and it's effects on regional as well international scale was grossly miscalculated.

By October,1947, hardly a few months since independence the elements within the Pakistani army were convinced that Maharaja Hari Singh's indecisiveness is in essence his reluctance to join Pakistan and the situation has reached a critical stage already!
Under Col. Akbar Khan's command, Khurshid Anwar, Cmdr. Muslim League National Guards, Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan, the minister from NWFP and Khwaja Rahim, the commissioner of Rawalpindi, put together a force of around 2000 tribesmen from NWFP and tribal areas. They crossed into Kashmir through Jhelum Valley on October 23 early morning.
The following evening, Nehru became aware of the situation and discussed informed Mountbatten. This is the point of catastrophic mistake by Pakistan. Given the course of time and how things were developing, Kashmir probably would have gone to Pakistan only. But then, someone decided to jump the gun.
Maharaja Hari Singh panicked. He took it as an invasive attack by Pakistan and asked for help from India. India decided to fight only if the attack was against Indian sovereignty. Hence Hari Singh decided to accede to India and signed the instrument on October 26 and Indian troops landed on Srinagar airport shortly. By that time, the militia had already reached outskirts of Srinagar, quite close to the airport.

When Indian forces reached Srinagar, it was then that Jinnah came into action. He ordered Pakistani acting Army Chief General Douglas Gracey(Messervy was on leave) to march on Srinagar, which, he refused. Field Marshal Auchinleck, the supreme Commander of all British forces in India ordered all British officers to stand down and a limited war continued, till Nehru sought UN intervention. After negotiations, a ceasefire was arranged, in effect from 31 December, 1948.
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if any one marries a Kashmiri in Pakistan the Kashmiri retains his-her Kashmiri citizenship and children are also Kashmiri.

In India if some one marries a Kashmiri , the Kashmiri loses its Kashmiri domicile, but remains Indian citizen.


Hence in Pakistan you cannot reverse the demography. So Pakistan does not believe in UN resolution, but believes in Plebiscite.
 
if any one marries a Kashmiri in Pakistan the Kashmiri retains his-her Kashmiri citizenship and children are also Kashmiri.

In India if some one marries a Kashmiri , the Kashmiri loses its Kashmiri domicile, but remains Indian citizen.


Hence in Pakistan you cannot reverse the demography. So Pakistan does not believe in UN resolution, but believes in Plebiscite.
Interesting, is the UN Resolution not about plebiscite ?
 
UN resolution is about plebiscite but the conditions of plebiscite cannot be fulfilled. Hence a new UN resolution must come.
Yes of course, why not ? Some clauses don't suit me, so they should change that for me.
The World is biased, but that is not enough, it has to be biased in my favour too, always. :)

Although there is little validity of that resolution, which was created after Nehru had approached the UN, it is important that you should know that Pakistan, at that time, did ratify.
Those were the times when India used to sit in the discussion table with Pakistan. How do you possibly think it is possible that India will agree to some clauses that goes against Indian interest now, when it does not even allow Pakistan a meeting for negotiations on Kashmir ?
 
Yes of course, why not ? Some clauses don't suit me, so they should change that for me.
The World is biased, but that is not enough, it has to be biased in my favour too, always. :)

Demographic changes must be allowed.
 
Pakistanis invading a princely state which has signed instrument of accession with India..Thus official beginning of using non-state actors to wage war against neighbors.

That sort of accession without the will of its peiple is illegal. Please immediately give back the right of people and give Kashmir to Pakistan.
 
Demographic changes must be allowed.

I think you are trying to mean political boundary change. Demographic change means, changing the race or inhabitants of a region, something that Pakistan accuses India of, something that India has laws against in the form of Article 370.
 
Although there is little validity of that resolution, which was created after Nehru had approached the UN, it is important that you should know that Pakistan, at that time, did ratify.
Those were the times when India used to sit in the discussion table with Pakistan. How do you possibly think it is possible that India will agree to some clauses that goes against Indian interest now, when it does not even allow Pakistan a meeting for negotiations on Kashmir ?
I think you are trying to mean political boundary change. Demographic change means, changing the race or inhabitants of a region, something that Pakistan accuses India of, something that India has laws against in the form of Article 370.
Solution
You get your article 370 removed and we will have no problem either. If you see the casts in Pakistani Kashmir, some are mir, some are rana, some are butt. The president of AJK is a Pathan, as his name is Khan. So we should also have no problem if we remove this clause of demographic change and so India too.

And then we can have a plebiscite.
 
When Clement Attlee's Labour party came to power in war devastated Britain in 1945, he accelerated the process of end of British rule in India. Subsequently in June 1947, the Government of India Act, 1947 was promulgated, calling for creation of two independent nations, India and Pakistan, one secular and the other for religion. Now there were two kinds of territories, those under direct British rule and more than 560 princely states, under the rule of Indian princes, comprising of 41 % of total landmass. Sizes varied from as big as France, as for example Hyderabad and Kashmir to as small as a village.

Now, the princes of those bigger states were in no hurry to join India or Pakistan, for that matter most of them chose to stay independent, while the British tried to pursue them to join any dominion. As for example Hyderabad and Kashmir, while the Nawab of Junagadh decided to flee to Pakistan, leaving behind his state matters to his court official.

The most challenging of them all was of course, Kashmir, divided mainly into four parts, the Hindu majority Jammu bordering Punjab, Kashmir valley with Muslim majority, the valley of Ladakh populated largely by the Buddhists and the territories of Gilgit and Baltistan to the west. The last region was also populated by the Muslims, but they were mainly Ismailis, rather than Sunni Muslims, a sect that was declared to be non-Muslim by Pakistan.

Kashmir's rule at that time was Maharaja Hari Singh, who literally loathed the Congress party in general and Nehru in particular, mainly because he feared the land-reforms that Nehru had plans for. Mountbatten had suggested the Maharaja, not to act in haste. While the Maharaja's indecisiveness irked the Indian leaders, his own decisions made the situation far more complex than it already was.
After World War 2, around 60,000 veterans from Poonch only to find they were no longer subjects of Maharaja of Poonch but rather the Maharaja of Kashmir, who imposed high taxes upon them. These war veterans, who were largely Muslims, and all worked up by the recent spurt of communal violence in Punjab, held a public rally in August 1947, and demanded to join Pakistan.The Maharaja dispatched his dogra troops who irresponsibly opened fire in a rather peaceful rally. As a result, some of them went into hiding and some fled to Pakistan; one among them was Sardar Mohammad Ibrahim Khan, lawyer by profession and member of state assembly. He met Colonel Akbar Khan of Pakistani Army and sought help to liberate Kashmir by force. Till this time, both Indian and Pakistani government were in indecisive state.
An enthusiastic Khan, who was the director of weapons and equipment at General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, decided to take the matters in his own hands and not inform Pakistani army chief British General Sir Frank Messervy because Messervy may have communicated that to the Indian Army Chief. Perhaps the Pakistani Army's habit of acting autonomously, without the involvement of civilian authority, started back then.

Some words eventually reached Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan and Sardar Shaukat Hayat Khan, a minister in the Punjab government, but the Pakistani Army Chief and Jinnah himself were still out of the loop. A military thrust was planned, with the objective of deposing Maharaja Hari Singh and taking Kashmir by force. It was assumed that disposed veterans and other Muslims from Poonch and Kashmir valley will join the uprising. The overall plan was characterized by amateur enthusiasm, lack off operational experience and inability to foresee the immediate enemy reaction and it's after effects.

One will find striking similarities in these schemes of 1948, 1965 and 1999. All had some over-enthusiastic and somewhat out-of-control military officer/political leader planning for taking the region by military,characterized by lack of coordination/communication, with the assumption that locals will support them and in all cases, the enemies response and it's effects on regional as well international scale was grossly miscalculated.

By October,1947, hardly a few months since independence the elements within the Pakistani army were convinced that Maharaja Hari Singh's indecisiveness is in essence his reluctance to join Pakistan and the situation has reached a critical stage already!
Under Col. Akbar Khan's command, Khurshid Anwar, Cmdr. Muslim League National Guards, Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan, the minister from NWFP and Khwaja Rahim, the commissioner of Rawalpindi, put together a force of around 2000 tribesmen from NWFP and tribal areas. They crossed into Kashmir through Jhelum Valley on October 23 early morning.
The following evening, Nehru became aware of the situation and discussed informed Mountbatten. This is the point of catastrophic mistake by Pakistan. Given the course of time and how things were developing, Kashmir probably would have gone to Pakistan only. But then, someone decided to jump the gun.
Maharaja Hari Singh panicked. He took it as an invasive attack by Pakistan and asked for help from India. India decided to fight only if the attack was against Indian sovereignty. Hence Hari Singh decided to accede to India and signed the instrument on October 26 and Indian troops landed on Srinagar airport shortly. By that time, the militia had already reached outskirts of Srinagar, quite close to the airport.

When Indian forces reached Srinagar, it was then that Jinnah came into action. He ordered Pakistani acting Army Chief General Douglas Gracey(Messervy was on leave) to march on Srinagar, which, he refused. Field Marshal Auchinleck, the supreme Commander of all British forces in India ordered all British officers to stand down and a limited war continued, till Nehru sought UN intervention. After negotiations, a ceasefire was arranged, in effect from 31 December, 1948.

That proves itself that the accession of Kashmir by India is illegal.
 
Solution
You get your article 370 removed and we will have no problem either. If you see the casts in Pakistani Kashmir, some are mir, some are rana, some are butt. The president of AJK is a Pathan, as his name is Khan. So we should also have no problem if we remove this clause of demographic change and so India too.

And then we can have a plebiscite.

:lol::lol: I like marbles, you like marbles. I take yours and you take mine. Both get the feeling that we took something that I liked and belonged to other. Both are happy!! Yeaa!! :lol:
 
:lol::lol: I like marbles, you like marbles. I take yours and you take mine. Both got the feeling that we took something that I like and belonged to other. Both are happy!! Yeaa!! :lol:

This is the best solution. Because Independent Kashmir will have either influence of India or Pakistan. So Actually it does not exists.

Hence this is the best solution. The demographic changes have happened in AJK, there is no doubt. Yes, you cannot buy land or property. But demographic change is a different issue.
 

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