Some details of Type 095 has been given...

[ChineseTiger1986]

I believe that it is possible that the Type-095 may be able to match/near the Virginia SSN as that is no better than the Seawolf that came out in the mid-1990s.

China should build at least 20 by the end of the decade to be able to deal with the US Navy in the Eastern Pacific.

Maybe, since the SW class is freaking expensive, even the USN doesn't want to afford these boomers in large number.

It seems that China wants to produce the Type 095 in a decent number, so being as good as the Virginia class is already enough, but there is some reports suggest that the latest Virginia class has already surpassed the SW class, just like the latest version of Burke has surpassed the earlier Tico.

Also, China has played the nuclear submarine far longer than the Aegis DDG.

Just look at the Type 052D, it already has the world's most advanced shipborne AESA radars and VLS units, while the Type 055 will even be on par with Zumwalt/Burke III.

China as an even more experienced nuclear submarine player, the gap with USA in this area shouldn't be more than the gap of the Aegis DDG.

 

[Lightningbolt]

I doubt the Type 055 will be able to compete with the Zumwalt. That warship is a total badass with technologies only the US has right now. Type 055 will be a larger type 052D using the proven systems onboard the Type 052D.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I doubt the Type 055 will be able to compete with the Zumwalt. That warship is a total badass with technologies only the US has right now. Type 055 will be a larger type 052D using the proven systems onboard the Type 052D.

They have different role, Zumwalt is very stealthy warship, whose job is to attack opponent's coast by surprise, while the Type 055 is the most powerful guardian of the aircraft carrier.

Zumwalt is much more stealthy, but it only got 80 VLS units, the Type 055 got 128, and the AESA radar of both ships are the same.

The future backbone of the USN will still be Burke III, not Zumwalt.

 

[S10]

We have the money. We have multiple shipyards capable of constructing. I bet you're on the CIA payroll.

Of course, it cost you nothing to brag about having the money on the internet. Everything can be achieved overnight by declaring "we can do it" without having to consider the logistics on the internet right? As far as the CIA payroll goes, red guards from tiexue.net always throw that accusation around when they're cornered.

 

[That Guy]

whatever happened to Qing class sub for pakistan?.

Money happened, or at least the lack thereof.

 

[Lightningbolt]

Of course, it cost you nothing to brag about having the money on the internet. Everything can be achieved overnight by declaring "we can do it" without having to consider the logistics on the internet right? As far as the CIA payroll goes, red guards from tiexue.net always throw that accusation around when they're cornered.

Weren't you the clown that said that we need democrazy? Yea that was you.

Stop commenting on things achieved under CPC rule democrazy boy.

 

[Akasa]

Get this clear.

The Type 095 is not going to be comparable in every aspect to the Virginia. Sure, it may include all of the technologies. Heck, it may even exceed the Virginia in some aspects, but overall the Chinese submarine development lags behind that of the United States by a noticeable margin and the tech on the 095 won't be as refined as those on the Virginia.

 

[UKBengali]

Get this clear.

The Type 095 is not going to be comparable in every aspect to the Virginia. Sure, it may include all of the technologies. Heck, it may even exceed the Virginia in some aspects, but overall the Chinese submarine development lags behind that of the United States by a noticeable margin and the tech on the 095 won't be as refined as those on the Virginia.

Depends how much is this "noticeable margin".

If the Type-095 is half-way between the improved Los Angeles Class and the Virginia, then the Chinese will have done quite well.

With this kind of gap, the Type-095 can realistically threaten the Virgina class in the open waters of the Pacific.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Depends how much is this "noticeable margin".

If the Type-095 is half-way between the improved Los Angeles Class and the Virginia, then the Chinese will have done quite well.

With this kind of gap, the Type-095 can realistically threaten the Virgina class in the open waters of the Pacific.

I'd say the Type 095 is equivalent to the early block of the Virginia class, then China perhaps needs 5-10 years to make the improved Type 095A to be comparable to the latest block of the Virginia class.

 

[UKBengali]

I'd say the Type 095 is equivalent to the early block of the Virginia class, then China perhaps needs 5-10 years to make the improved Type 095A to be comparable to the latest block of the Virginia class.

The actual truth is that no-one really knows.

I have little faith in these "military insiders".

However, what we do know, is that China has been building conventional submarines for 50 years and nuclear submarines for 30 years now.

With the amount of money and technology that China now has, it would not surprise me if the Chinese have now at least become comparable to the British and Russians in SSN technology.

 

[S10]

Weren't you the clown that said that we need democrazy? Yea that was you.

Stop commenting on things achieved under CPC rule democrazy boy.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting greater individual rights and freedom. It is the mentally ill who would happily live under an authoritarian government without question. That's the difference between a thinking man and a drone. The only thing worse than a drone is one that won't keep his mouth shut about how mighty his masters are and comment on things he has no absolutely no oversight over (i.e. SSN construction).

 

[HongWu]

Get this clear.

The Type 095 is not going to be comparable in every aspect to the Virginia. Sure, it may include all of the technologies. Heck, it may even exceed the Virginia in some aspects, but overall the Chinese submarine development lags behind that of the United States by a noticeable margin and the tech on the 095 won't be as refined as those on the Virginia.

Look like Type 095 finally closes the gap to less than one whole generation against the United States and the Virginia / Sea Wolf class submarines. That means it's a stunning success

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The actual truth is that no-one really knows.

I have little faith in these "military insiders".

However, what we do know, is that China has been building conventional submarines for 50 years and nuclear submarines for 30 years now.

With the amount of money and technology that China now has, it would not surprise me if the Chinese have now at least become comparable to the British and Russians in SSN technology.

According to Martin, he personally believes the Type 097 will be close to the technological limit of the existing technology, which means it will be as refined as the near future Virginia class block IV.

After the Type 097 or Virginia IV, there will be a new technological curve for the future nuclear submarine technology.

Let's look at the timeline.

1974: Han SSN (first-generation nuclear sub enters service)
2004: Shang SSN (second-generation nuclear sub enters service)
2015: 3rd generation SSN should enter service
2025: 4th generation SSN should enter service

The first-generation Han SSN was a crude (by today's standard) nuclear submarine. It was noisy and not very reliable. This is exactly what we expect from a first-gen sub and from 1974 Chinese technology (e.g. no supercomputers available).

There was a long thirty years between the first-gen Han and the second-gen Shang. Why? China needed time to incorporate all of the knowledge and experience that were gained from the Kilo-class and improved Song submarines and implement them on the second-gen Shang. Also, it takes time to write software for new supercomputers to take advantage of computation fluid dynamics.

The 3rd-gen SSN is supposedly undergoing sea trials and should enter service around 2015. We can see that the gap between new nuclear submarine models is about 10 years. We expect this, because China has mastered many aspects of modern submarine construction.

The 4th-gen SSN should enter service around 2025. This meets our expectations, because previous experience has shown that China needs about 10 years to manufacture a new submarine model. By analogy, think of China as GM. GM spends four years between new car models. Everyone knows this.

Similarly, China needs 10 years between new nuclear submarine models. This applies to new models for both SSNs and SSBNs.

We can understand Chinese nuclear submarine development through the S-curve. The same principles apply to fighter jets (and stealth fighters).

In the beginning, China built a primitive nuclear Type 091 Han SSN. With the technology at its disposal, China built the best SSN possible.

As Chinese technology improved (e.g. five-axis machine tools, supercomputers, better wind tunnels to check fluid flow, etc.), China built the much-improved Type 093 Shang SSN.

With the experienced gained from building diesel-electric and nuclear submarines, China applied the new insights into its third-generation Type 095 SSN. China used better machine tools (e.g. 7-axis machine tools), better supercomputer programs with higher resolution to more realistically simulate actual conditions, and new materials to reduce noise emission.

When we get to the Type 097 SSN, China has pushed existing technologies close to their limits. We have to wait until there are breakthroughs in new materials or propulsion to allow us to climb the next S-curve.

 

[UKBengali]

According to Martin, he personally believes the Type 097 will be close to the technological limit of the existing technology, which means it will be as refined as the near future Virginia class block IV.

After the Type 097 or Virginia IV, there will be a new technological curve for the future nuclear submarine technology.

Let us hope that this is accurate.

Nuclear SSNs are probably the most important technology that China needs to master in order to compete with the US on a global stage.

With SSN's as advanced as the US ones, the US ability to project it's naval power across the power is severely compromised.