Some are more equal at the UN

[tjpf]

Maybe you keep forgetting that Palestinians have recognized Israel as a Jewish state some time ago. And pretty much gave Israelis all they want. But Israelis like to keep this lie going and frankly I don't know what more can they do?? The Likud is pretty much a settlers government from the settlers by the settlers and TO the settlers.

Tell me how would you feel when you look at your father's land of which you have papers for etc. but Israel just steps right in build a fence and then build houses there. You expect the common people to just say Ok no problem ... Then you are being inconsiderate here.

No one is refuting what you are saying but but Palestine should guarantee safety of Israel and no anti - Israel activity should take place in its soil.
Trust is hard but need a leap of faith.

 

[Hussein]

No one is refuting what you are saying but but Palestine should guarantee safety of Israel and no anti - Israel activity should take place in its soil.
Trust is hard but need a leap of faith.

it seems you didn't want to answer questions...
but just speaking about God wants Palestinians to suffer (are you ok?) , Israel not being as you say saint (is this religion we are speaking about? lol)

why a Palestinian state is a security problem for Israel?

why colonies are essential for security of Israel?

 

[fd24]

Maybe you keep forgetting that Palestinians have recognized Israel as a Jewish state some time ago. And pretty much gave Israelis all they want. But Israelis like to keep this lie going and frankly I don't know what more can they do?? The Likud is pretty much a settlers government from the settlers by the settlers and TO the settlers.

Tell me how would you feel when you look at your father's land of which you have papers for etc. but Israel just steps right in build a fence and then build houses there. You expect the common people to just say Ok no problem ... Then you are being inconsiderate here.

Lets say for the sake of argument the Palestinians do recognize the state of Israel (as i think they should) and they denounce violence (as i think they should) do you honestly think the Zionists in Israel and USA wont come up with something else that would black ball the existence of a nation of Palestine?
The problem is the mindset of the Zionists is "under no circumstances will the state be recognized" and that is at the center of all that Zionism stands for. ALL ARE EQUAL BUT ZIONISTS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN ANY OTHER HUMAN.
Perhaps my Indian brothers doubt me so il give you a couple of quality examples that shows me what they are about.

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

and another

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Finally guys lets say if ANY nations leader had said the above how would the world take it?

 

[tjpf]

it seems you didn't want to answer questions...
but just speaking about God wants Palestinians to suffer (are you ok?) , Israel not being as you say saint (is this religion we are speaking about? lol)

why a Palestinian state is a security problem for Israel?

why colonies are essential for security of Israel?

Are you ok sir or is English too hard to understand read and comprehend the statement made by me.

I have answered and living in denial of how Palestine won't be a threat to Israel is very naive

 

[Hussein]

Are you ok sir or is English too hard to understand read and comprehend the statement made by me.

I have answered and living in denial of how Palestine won't be a threat to Israel is very naive

No the fact is that you didn't answer
And it is not by insulting me that it gives more credit to you

so i am waiting your answer

 

[tjpf]

Lets say for the sake of argument the Palestinians do recognize the state of Israel (as i think they should) and they denounce violence (as i think they should) do you honestly think the Zionists in Israel and USA wont come up with something else that would black ball the existence of a nation of Palestine?
The problem is the mindset of the Zionists is "under no circumstances will the state be recognized" and that is at the center of all that Zionism stands for. ALL ARE EQUAL BUT ZIONISTS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN ANY OTHER HUMAN.
Perhaps my Indian brothers doubt me so il give you a couple of quality examples that shows me what they are about.

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

and another

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Finally guys lets say if ANY nations leader had said the above how would the world take it?

Sir you are right

but did you hear Israel's PM speech this time he supported Palestine but with an agreement that security of Israel should not be compromised.

If you hear that speech and read what the previous PM's have said its very different.
The world including India supports Palestine so somewhere down the line there is going to be Palestine, The thing is if tomorrow any mishap happens between them the fight will escalate with other nation against Israel..
Imagine the chaos and death this would cause in that reach for everyone!!!!

What say?

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No the fact is that you didn't answer
And it is not by insulting me that it gives more credit to you

so i am waiting your answer

I never insulted you.
I apologise if you think so.
And i have answered your question.
PLEASE READ

 

[Hussein]

I never insulted you.
I apologise if you think so.
And i have answered your question.
PLEASE READ

saying Arabs want to put the Jews out of Israel is not a valuable answer
why having a state will cause more security problems for Israel?
Hezbollah will threaten more? they are in Lebanon
Hamas will attack more? the salafist groups will send more rockets if there is a state?

i don't understand why a state will cause more problem
it is the opposite: when you have a state you have responsabilities: if from your country are sent rockets Israel can go to UNO and justify easily a war against this country

so i really didn't understand about security matter
the fact is in the past they could accept the palestinian state but now with so many illegal lands, the growth of anti arab feeling, maybe it is too late
i have a friend in Israel who is saying this:
"the arabs don't want a state the israelis don't want a state. both they want to win on the other. and both the maximum they can give as concession is much much below the minimum the other can accept"

but don't speak about security... this is just propaganda

 

[fd24]

tjpf

Thank you for your answer
Please try to understand - it wouldnt make a difference. We are all in agreement that Israels sedurity cant be compromised. The problem with saying this statement is that it is so open to interpretation of however the Israelis want to.
History and the undertones of the USA and Israeli governments philosophy is no no no to Palestine.
If he meant anything he said with vigour then this wouldnt have been released less than a week later.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-new-construction-beyond-green-line-1.387055

You make your own mind why on this matter Israel are more and more isolated.

The statement below was made by the same guy last week

Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989: "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Palestinians of the territories and claim it for ourselves."

 

[tjpf]

tjpf

Thank you for your answer
Please try to understand - it wouldnt make a difference. We are all in agreement that Israels sedurity cant be compromised. The problem with saying this statement is that it is so open to interpretation of however the Israelis want to.
History and the undertones of the USA and Israeli governments philosophy is no no no to Palestine.
If he meant anything he said with vigour then this wouldnt have been released less than a week later.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-new-construction-beyond-green-line-1.387055

You make your own mind why on this matter Israel are more and more isolated.

The statement below was made by the same guy last week

Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989: "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Palestinians of the territories and claim it for ourselves."

Sir but 2011 is not 1989.
USA and PAKISTAN and now USA and INDIA!!!
Israel and Palestine have to live with each other but god forbids something happens and some elements attack Israel from Palestine, knowing how Israel reacts we know the consequences.
Whats the point of having a state and being at war with your neighbour (Best eg. PAKISTAN and INDIA).
Plus what will happen if arab countries get into war.... imagine the scenario!!!!!

 

[lem34]

Lets say for the sake of argument the Palestinians do recognize the state of Israel (as i think they should) and they denounce violence (as i think they should) do you honestly think the Zionists in Israel and USA wont come up with something else that would black ball the existence of a nation of Palestine?
The problem is the mindset of the Zionists is "under no circumstances will the state be recognized" and that is at the center of all that Zionism stands for. ALL ARE EQUAL BUT ZIONISTS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN ANY OTHER HUMAN.
Perhaps my Indian brothers doubt me so il give you a couple of quality examples that shows me what they are about.

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

and another

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Finally guys lets say if ANY nations leader had said the above how would the world take it?

SK why are you being so resonable? Whilst Israelis say palestinian state has no right to exist I will say Israeli state has no right to exist. Why should Palestinians or anyone else have have to pay for Europeans killing Jews in Germany. Give them a bit of Germany. give them a bit of Australia. Why Palestine? Why should Palestinians throw away their stones and spears whilst Israel attacks them with F16 killing machine and has nukes that they threaten all muslim capitals????

 

[tjpf]

SK why are you being so resonable? Whilst Israelis say palestinian state has no right to exist I will say Israeli state has no right to exist. Why should Palestinians or anyone else have have to pay for Europeans killing Jews in Germany. Give them a bit of Germany. give them a bit of Australia. Why Palestine? Why should Palestinians throw away their stones and spears whilst Israel attacks them with F16 killing machine and nukes???

and the war goes on