Solution for Indian occupied Kashmir ? Liberation.

[Assault Rifle]

@Abu Zolfiqar Pakistan has seen more casualties than India due to insurgency every since 2007.
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/jandk/data_sheets/annual_casualties.htm

Also fatalities in India due to insurgencies are the lowest since early 1980s.

 

[livingdead]

They sure do, even when a section of society tries to screw them over. Certainly still more included than the "shudras" whose role in society is to walk naked and clean human excrement from the street in 'some' other "country"



And if its true, hopefully will continue.



right that's what the soviets thought too once upon a time



while india implodes from within due to the 22+ separatist and insurgency movements, caste divisions, ethnic divisions and communal divisions which perpetually plague the over-populated "country"

the sooner india accepts a Kashmir no longer under her artificial grip, perhaps the quicker india will be in a position to remain intact in one piece

soviets could not throw more money than usa and went nearly bankrupt... the lesson applies more to pak than India.. the situation can reverse only if a bigger economy like usa or china gets involved....
if you think India is not a country rather amalgamation of feuding tribes, it makes even less sense to let kashmir go(and see a cascading effect)... you are arguing against giving freedom to kashmir..

 

[cerberus]

In Turkey the army revolted and the coup failed
because they did nt want to shoot their own people

Soldiers have an AFFINITY for their own country and own people

UNLIKE invaders ; Just see how US flattened Iraq and Afghanistan
with such a small army

SO get rid of this delusion that Indian civilian population CAN stop the enemy

SImply because we have NOT armed and trained our civilian population

If Indian Army falls ; India will FALL

Your Billion people can do s**t about it

Well its 1975 emergency is example
True but Indian army is not trained that way

You see it in NDA

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Well its 1975 emergency is example
True but indian army is not trained that way

I did nt get your point

Indian Armed forces supported emergency but they will never do a coup
because our society is different

if you think India is not a country rather amalgamation of feuding tribes, it makes even less sense to let kashmir go(and see a cascading effect)... you are arguing against giving freedom to kashmir..

India is HELD together by HINDUISM

And we know from our History what DIS UNITY does

Just because we were disunited ; the invaders succeeded in the past

After 1947 ; when we became ONE HUGE country ; the enemy has been
"complaining " about our size and " dreaming " of cutting us down to size

OUR SIZE is our Strength

 

[neem456]

We are ready for war at any time, rest assured. Frankly - we dont need to do much. Kashmiris are not Afghans but they do have a fuse as well. Once you blow it, the 5 rivers would turn red soon. Just a question of getting the temperature to boiling level. You have no face to show at all. Kashmiris are perfectly justified to take up arms. What's hilarious and quite ironic - delusionals of delhi think killing a 22 year old freedom fighter would solve the problems.

1,000 more Wanis have been born today

What kashmiris can and should do is not the debate here. We will take care of our people the way we want.

What can pakistan do in this ? Does it have the capacity to challenge india, rather than instead of just giving weak statements of support to terrorists ? Just giving statements is a sign of weakness.

 

[cerberus]

I did nt get your point

Indian Armed forces supported emergency but they will never do a coup
because our society is different

My point was on controlling the crowd during emergency period

 

[Thomas M]

It sad to see so many negative tv news from Indian occupied Kashmir, where we see indian occupation forces torture, kill & rape innocent Kashmiri with worst kind of brute force. Hundreds of Kashmiri have made blind by Indian armies use of pellet guns and other weapons.

Kashmiri people don’t have food, medicines, television, internet, newspapers. India is aiming to break Kashmiris contact with the outside world. No foreign journalist or media personnel is permitted to visit Indian occupied Kashmir. Neither is UN permitted to visit Kashmir.

My question to fellow debaters from Pakistan in this forum is, where goes Pakistan's red line. Should Pakistan stand still and watch India slaughter the entire population of Kashmir as it have done since 1947 ?

Had Pakistan tolerated so much brutality if India had attacked Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan, KP or Azad Kashmir (Pakistani-controlled Kashmir) and driven mass slaughter of Pakistanis?

I want feedback from Pakistani debaters, what their perception on this issue is?

Better ask Bangladeshi's they might be able to give you a better account about what it is like being raped, killed and brutally mass slaughtered.

Firstly, we haven't attacked anybody in our 70 years of history. Therefore it is out of question if India attack Punjab, Sindh etc. But well if we are compelled to do so (like in 1965), we then we won't hesitate either.

Regarding Kashmir, it is our territory, we will deal with it in a manner that suits u, just like you do in Azad Kashmir.

 

[adil_minhas]

India is HELD together by HINDUISM

No it is not brother.

It is held together because all of us identify as one people regardless of our faith or other differences.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

My point was on controlling the crowd during emergency period

Emergency was an exception

There was discontent against emergency but there was NO mass uprising against it

The period before emergency was full of chaos and anarchy

So many people supported emergency because it brought some
immediate calm to INDIA

HOWEVER soon after ; the excesses committed by the Government and Congress party
made people revolt and rebel

Indira Gandhi realised that there was a mass discontent brewing and hence lifted emergency

Nobody can impose emergency again in India

 

[cerberus]

No it is not brother.

It is held together because all of us identify as one people regardless of our faith or other differences.

He defining Hinduism as cultural identity he free to think so

As for you N me as Christian I have my own way to show my love for country

 

[Kathin_Singh]

India is HELD together by HINDUISM

India is HELD together by INDIANS.

 

[livingdead]

Emergency was an exception

There was discontent against emergency but there was NO mass uprising against it

The period before emergency was full of chaos and anarchy

So many people supported emergency because it brought some
immediate calm to INDIA

HOWEVER soon after ; the excesses committed by the Government and Congress party
made people revolt and rebel

Indira Gandhi realised that there was a mass discontent brewing and hence lifted emergency

Nobody can impose emergency again in India

many things hold india together.. the fact that majority of Indians are hindus is one factor.. then there is fear of balkanization which scares the sh*t out of Indians(fear of pakistan)... from positive side common labour market.. railways.. bollywood.. cricket... those ek-anek DD ads for national integration...

 

[Sneaker]

Simple solution. Arm the freedom fighters and provide them with all means of support. The Saudis and Iranians and the Yanks and the West support various factions in Syria and Iraq - some questionable. The Kashmiri cause is not questionable, it's a moral cause. The chickens will come home to roost, Pakistan needs to become very aggressive and assertive here. With the right tools and with more local support, the occupation forces will become piles of corpses in no time



you are aware that Ahmedis are pro Pakistan and supported the 1947 revolution right, dummy?



and neither is india.....india knows we can flatten every indian city that matters in a matter of minutes

the war will be more covert and it is Kashmiri nationalists who will prevail. They are already winning the information war (despite your failed attempts to silence them)....the next step is the battle-field

that is what you are doing from past 30 years.. insanity is defined as doing the same thing and expecting different results...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Angrez hi ache .... referendum allowed for scotland and then peacefully existed European union

British showed great class

So ironic that they used to be the ones called up for having colonies and denying people's rights

Great appreciation for the British people who solved complex issue by means of simple referendum instead of tantrum for war

Most Westerners would categorize South Asians as being "Sentimental", Clinging to stuff , and attaching to stuff deeply and getting bogged down in the severity of the sentimental attachment

The British on other hand are "Practical" , they see , they conceptualize and negotiate a future where they can reduce chance for war

By the way do you know England returned Hong Kong to China , in order to develop long lasting trust between two nations ?

 

[Genghis khan1]

India's default response will be similar strike into punjab.. and I am quite happy to swap kashmir for punjab.

I guess you don't know what blitzkrieg is. There won't be any Indian response. The main idea is to strike it hard the first time, capture as much land possible and offset your enemy. Enemy will have no other choice other than defending whatever left of it. Same Idea worked in 2002 standoff. As per wikileaks cables, if 2002 Indo-Pak war had started, Indian would be at several disadvantage. It took India whole month to mobilize its forces while Pakistan did it in days.