Solo Turk Over Sargodha

[Bratva]

Bro, you are right, but there is something else you need to consider, the newer A2A missiles do not need any locks prior to launch, secondly, the missile, can be guided by an AWAC or a secondary aircraft as well.

1. Doesnt require locks because of LOAL and HMDS features. Both are required without which missile would be as good conventional IR guided missile

2. Missile can be guided by an AWAC or any third entity only in theory. Only America is the sole country which has developed the capability to guide only a Radar Guided missile through AWAC not the IR guided WVR.

 

[notorious_eagle]

No it is not. Imagine a WVC happening. Where maneuverability matters most and TVC would help immensely in WVC. Only thing that would negate TVC advantage in WVC is HMDS.

The Indians went in with the exact same thinking in Red Flag, and this is exactly what got them hammered to the point they refused to go on 1 on 1 with US Pilots. With an RCS of that size, in modern combat all the enemy pilot has to do is turn his head around, lock on with his HMD and fire HOBS. Let's see that TVC dance in the sky when the missile is capable of maneuvering 50g's.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Indus Falcon]

Video of Solo Turk over Sargodha

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[cabatli_53]

Now that's what you call a dedicated fan.

A Pakistani woman greets a Turkish Air Force's Solo Turk pilot Yusuf Kurt (C) after they perform a demonstration flight as a part of contingent participation in the joint air exercise called Indus Viper-2015 at PAF Base Mushaf, located at Sargodha in the Punjab province of Pakistan on October 15, 2015.

@cabatli_53 @Hurshid Celebi @xxxKULxxx @Akheilos @Shamain @Horus @Spring Onion @Indus Falcon @HRK

What a great picture ! Thanks for sharing brother ! You can see the brotherhood in the eyes of public !

 

[Neptune]

@Windjammer @Horus

Cpt. Yusuf Kurt, SoloTürk pilot that demonstrated at PAF Mushaf have shared at his official instagram account that during his time at Indus Viper, he didn't stay at base for housing during the exercise schedule.

Instead, he was hosted by PAF Major Faisal at major's own home, Cpt. Kurt said Major Faisal was also hosted by TURAF officers during Anatolian Eagle .

photo and link to captain's account ;
Instagram

 

[waz]

One of the best threads on here! Long live Pakistani/Turkish brotherhood.

 

[Indus Falcon]

One of the best threads on here! Long live Pakistani/Turkish brotherhood.

Khalee peeli tareef, +ve rating kahan hain?

 

[Kompromat]

Thanks to Soloturk for coming to Pakistan.

 

[Donatello]

Before firing a WVR you need to point the nose cone of aircraft towards aircraft so radar can have a lock and can fire IR guided missile. Yes even IR guided Missile needs a radar lock because IR missile seeker needs to be told where aircraft is.

When a TVC aircraft is constantly breaking a radar lock due to TVC how would a WVR missile sans HMDS would be able to kill the jet ?



We are discussing war scenarios not training exercises which are regulated heavily

That is the reason why modern IR missiles come with a gimbal.....the seeker is free to rotate.....a small angular displacement leads to a large search area being covered when typically 10-20 km out.

 

[Bratva]

@Windjammer @Horus

Cpt. Yusuf Kurt, SoloTürk pilot that demonstrated at PAF Mushaf have shared at his official instagram account that during his time at Indus Viper, he didn't stay at base for housing during the exercise schedule.

Instead, he was hosted by PAF Major Faisal at major's own home, Cpt. Kurt said Major Faisal was also hosted by TURAF officers during Anatolian Eagle .

photo and link to captain's account ;
Instagram

That would be Squadron leader Faisal

Btw Captain Wolf ( ) is the same soloturk pilot who made the extremely low flying landing at UK airport ?

That is the reason why modern IR missiles come with a gimbal.....the seeker is free to rotate.....a small angular displacement leads to a large search area being covered when typically 10-20 km out.

but As far as I know, that gimbal rotation is mated with HMDS. It can not move on its own.

 

[Donatello]

but As far as I know, that gimbal rotation is mated with HMDS. It can not move on its own.

Nope, it is not. Why would even the old AIM9L Sidewinder have a IR sensor mounted on a gimbal then?

The idea is that the radar may provide the initial lock....basically, a sector in front of the missile where the missile will then go and search the target. The more accurate your initial vectors were, the quicker the missile's own seeker can get a lock on that heat signature. While it is searching for the target, the missile's seeker must have the capability to be able to sweep sideways or move up and down......because remember the missile and the target are both moving in 3D space, hence it will never be a constant 1 directional motion.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

@Bratva @Donatello I have no clue what you guys are talking about with all this TVC, WVC whatever. Let me enjoy this thread with all these heart warming pictures yaar !

 

[MastanKhan]

Before firing a WVR you need to point the nose cone of aircraft towards aircraft so radar can have a lock and can fire IR guided missile. Yes even IR guided Missile needs a radar lock because IR missile seeker needs to be told where aircraft is.

When a TVC aircraft is constantly breaking a radar lock due to TVC how would a WVR missile sans HMDS would be able to kill the jet ?



We are discussing war scenarios not training exercises which are regulated heavily

Hi,

The ultimate question for TVC is---at what top speed TVC would be applied---and also what would be the lowest speed TVC be applied---.

How many G's the pilot would face at the top end of the applicable speed and how many G's at the bottom end of the applicable speed.

Bro, you are right, but there is something else you need to consider, the newer A2A missiles do not need any locks prior to launch, secondly, the missile, can be guided by an AWAC or a secondary aircraft as well.

Hi,

You are forgetting the G forces sir----.

 

[Bratva]

Nope, it is not. Why would even the old AIM9L Sidewinder have a IR sensor mounted on a gimbal then?

The idea is that the radar may provide the initial lock....basically, a sector in front of the missile where the missile will then go and search the target. The more accurate your initial vectors were, the quicker the missile's own seeker can get a lock on that heat signature. While it is searching for the target, the missile's seeker must have the capability to be able to sweep sideways or move up and down......because remember the missile and the target are both moving in 3D space, hence it will never be a constant 1 directional motion.

I was talking about when missile is in static position, before being fired. Gimbal can not move on its own, only after it is fired gimbal movements will began.

Which means gimbal movement was not being utilized fully until HMDS came into play. It eliminated radar lock entirely. Now you train seeker (controlling gimbal movement) through your helmet

Hi,

The ultimate question for TVC is---at what top speed TVC would be applied---and also what would be the lowest speed TVC be applied---.

How many G's the pilot would face at the top end of the applicable speed and how many G's at the bottom end of the applicable speed.



Hi,

You are forgetting the G forces sir----.

This is what I had in mind when arguing the applicability of TVC in WVR

Indian air force pilots (IAF) flying their Su-30MKI Flankers provided stiff opposition for a UK Royal Air Force (RAF) Eurofighter Typhoon squadron during air combat maneuvering exercises just ended in the UK. Senior officers from both the IAF and the RAF were unwilling to discuss details, but AIN understands from informed sources with knowledge of the exercise that, in close combat, the thrust vector control (TVC) on the heavier Flankers more than compensated for the greater thrust-to-weight ratio of the Typhoon