Socialist hypocrisy & lies: Deliberate provocation to drive a wedge between real socialists and non-socialists

[Kamikaze Pilot]

The 350,000+ Indian farmers suicide number between 1995 and 2015 I often quote is from official records. And this middleman thing is part of the story. The main problems are the interest-based loans where additionally the small loans never will turn the farmer into an Ambani because nothing is free in India so the loan will be diverted to things like education and medical treatment and also there are the social elements like money-based mass-attended weddings and things like year-round festivals and tri-annual religious pilgrimages.

You downplay the merits of the system you demonize and exaggerate it's flaws. Compare the number of farmers who would benefit by eliminating middlemen with the number of farmers who are genuinely unable to repay loan.

 

[Paitoo]

We Indians should do ourselves a favour and get rid of all '-isms' first. These are good to have as frameworks to draw ideas from, but these are not religions and it is ok to mix them as per our realities.

India's problem is not so much about ideology but about execution. We dilly dally too much and that is why we have ceded the manufacturing hegemony to China. It is manufacturing which generates jobs in semi urban areas and puts pressure on infrastructure (and therefore forces governments to invest in it). By having a lopsided focus on services economy, which tends to be urban based, we are accumulating all our workforce into already over strained cities. The result is that the poor get crowded out and have sub standard lives, and the realty mafia has a field day.

We have to move our marginal farmers out of farming and into manufacturing. The days of Gandhi's ideal village economy are long gone. We can't run our country like a village when the rest of the world is not.

We have made some very poor decisions like Vodafone retrospective tax and Cairn Energy and these have done real damage to our image as a trustworthy country for investment. If we continue to act like bullies in our country, investors will keep going elsewhere. You can hang a board of communist or capitalist or socialist, no one cares a damn.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Fake socialists project Indian democracy as demagoguery but when 700 middlemen make wrong demands detrimental to interests of average farmers, the fake socialists term government's refusal as stubbornness.

Fake socialists conveniently forget that some time ago they had levelled accusations of demagoguery and later they made accusations of government not listening to farmers and causing deaths.

Political somersaults by FS.

 

[jamahir]

You downplay the merits of the system you demonize and exaggerate it's flaws. Compare the number of farmers who would benefit by eliminating middlemen with the number of farmers who are genuinely unable to repay loan.

Even one socio-economic suicide by a farmer or student or urban professional or a laborer is a tragedy and says that something is wrong with the system. Even one, yet you are ignoring the suicides of a few million since 1947 ?

If Modi and co. really wanted to remove problems of farmers they would do a few things : (a). Abolish interest-based economics, (b). Abolish the concept of private banks and microfinance corporations because such institutions look only to make profit even on the backs of distressed people, (c). Abolish the stock market because the private banks and microfinance corporations will just look at making high marks in the stock market based on increasing number of borrowers even if those institutions are oppressing the borrowers, (d). Remake the entire concept of agriculture into how I have given here. Doing these steps will eliminate farmer suicides.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Even once socio-economic suicide by a farmer or student or urban professional or a laborer is a tragedy and says that something is wrong with the system. Even one, yet you are ignoring the suicides of a few million since 1947 ?

And you make no mention whatsoever of how socialism caused the holodomor genocide of many more millions within a short span of one or two year (probably only one year).

 

[Skimming]

Good advise. This has been my plan : Find a co-founder and together register a company in the field of computing and then approach financiers especially angel funders. One additional good thing is that there is a senior of mine who's a former government scientist who can come into the company as an advisor.

. I have my former business partner's father agreeing to join my soon-to-come company as an advisor. Not a day-to-day presence in the company but still a valueable advisor with good network. He is the CTO of a company that makes drones and hovercraft but he can join as advisor. It will disappoint him if I devote time to the Linux idea instead of keeping on with my original idea. What am I waiting for, just finance about 24 lakhs to invest in five workers other than me giving them a salary of 20,000 rupees a month for eight months, then the FPGA board and its programming software that will cost about 15 lakhs in total. This is other than an an office space, furniture and fittings and three computers. So the wait is only for finance. Don't want to be distracted by another project and don't want to disappoint the possible advisor.

I am partly keeping your advise in mind because my soon-to-come company ( which is just pending finance of about 24 lakhs for the workers and machinery ) will be a politics-guided company in the field of computing that will be the best in South Asia.

I was the technological co-founder of a company some years ago with the backing of a financial co-founder. When I get finance again for a new company I will insist on arranging the company on progressive lines.

You pretend to oppose capitalism for everyone and not just for Indians. With reference to above quotes, explain how, what you are doing, is not capitalism.

 

[-=virus=-]

You pretend to oppose capitalism for everyone and not just for Indians. With reference to above quotes, explain how, what you are doing, is not capitalism.

he's a true communist, bro

he'll make a microprocessor and distribute them for free

next he'll design a spacecraft and go and colonize mars, waha bhi free me le ka jayega sab ko

 

[jamahir]

You pretend to oppose capitalism for everyone and not just for Indians. With reference to above quotes, explain how, what you are doing, is not capitalism.

1. I do not pretend. You tell me, I living in Capitalist India cannot just hold my hand in the air, wave it towards a table and there will magically appear an FPGA board, a computer to attach it to, a radio experimentation set up, lasers etc. They will have to be purchased for money, yes ? Secondly, the workers will have to be paid to survive in a Capitalist society that needs money to obtain everything. Office space is already there from my previous company's time. The advisor I mentioned in those quotes, my mentor, he owns that building and the office space is above his living floors. I don't need money for myself from those 24 lakhs investment. I can make do from my late father's pension for my clothes, travel by autrickshaw, meets at tea rooms etc.

2. The company is not a means for me to become Mukesh Ambani but a techno-political project as my contribution to bring progressive change in the world. This company will be the best computing company in the world.

he's a true communist, bro

he'll make a microprocessor and distribute them for free

Not making at the moment as neither I own a fab nor is India Communist. At the moment it is the design that is free, open source. Eventually of course the processors will be made free after Communism is established.

next he'll design a spacecraft and go and colonize mars, waha bhi free me le ka jayega sab ko

Indeed. Red flag on the red planet.

 

[Skimming]

Here, in the below link, the fraud blatantly advocates capitalism for countries that he doesn't hate:

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[CLUMSY]

Socialism is cancerous

 

[jamahir]

Socialism is cancerous

On the contrary, Communism is infectious in the minds of the idealists, the progressives, the empaths and the sufferers.

 

[CLUMSY]

On the contrary, Communism is infectious in the minds of the idealists, the progressives, the empaths and the sufferers.

Communism is socialism but even more oppressive

 

[jamahir]

Communism is socialism but even more oppressive

I will ask how but also will state that I am quitting posting on PDF because it has become a breeding ground of fools, irrationals and criminals.

 

[-=virus=-]

I will ask how but also will state that I am quitting posting on PDF because it has become a breeding ground of fools, irrationals and criminals.

what kind of revolutionary are you ?

stay and fight for your ideas, coward !

what point in going back to your little circle jerking group of jerks ?

Communism is infectious in the minds of the idealists, the progressives, the empaths and the sufferers.

bhag, bsdk

 

[Skimming]

what kind of revolutionary are you ?

stay and fight for your ideas, coward !

what point in going back to your little circle jerking group of jerks ?

He is not going anywhere. He will login with his other id @Drizzt.