So, who is doing what with Pakistan?!

[Lincoln]

Whole system is rotten from low to top. Extreme digitization and law enforcement is what's needed. You force people, eventually their mindset will change.

 

[PakSword]

best to be farmer away from city corruption and thugs. be independent grow your own food and collet yoru own water etc. best life.

You know what happens in Sindh? Waderas stop water of small farmers..

 

[Mamadouso]

Whole system is rotten from low to top. Extreme digitization and law enforcement is what's needed. You force people, eventually their mindset will change.

Pakistan need some citizen bloggers and some people armed with just w camera and catch these politician out on a regular basis engaging in their fraud.

 

[PakSword]

Pakistan need some citizen bloggers and some people armed with just w camera and catch these politician out on a regular basis engaging in their fraud.

And killed in the process..

 

[Khan_patriot]

The only thing people are doing is Pakistan itself.

 

[Mamadouso]

And killed in the process..

Such a shame, but the general public will need to abandon these corrupt politicians at some point or there will be no country left.

The previous govt already left debt at emergency levels, there is physically no room for corruption anymore.

 

[PurAzamBaHadaf]

Nice read , no one doing any thing to Pakistan , it is Pakistanis them selves ...……..

True... we blame to govt. but we need to remember that the general awaam chooses the leader so we shouldn't blame the govt. when we elect them.

Me too..

Killer ghar ka banda hai aur ghar walay muhallay walon pe shak kar rahay hain..

No hope now....

Since 2000, the top ghaddars of this country are:

1 - Musharraf
2 - Nawaz Sharif
3 - Benazir

PTI.. well i will not call them ghaddars, but they aren't competent.. Anyway, they required room to flex their muscles, but previous governments didn't leave any for them..

And our country is also a resource less land to be honest.. It consists of mostly deserts.. water is also a scarce resource in Pakistan.. the resource that's plenty is HUMAN resource.. which is useless as it is not educated or trained.. moreover, we have vast majority of people who are lazy as fvck.. who always want shortcuts..

Consider all of this, and if someone has even a little brain will realize that GAME IS OVER..

I disagree, no matter how bad Musharraf was, he wasn't a bad person. The economy was stable and he was under pressure not to decrease the value of USD even more otherwise the dollar would be around the 51-52 mark instead of 56ish. He did take loans but also returned them and the country was prospering much more than Nawaz and Zardari. Heck, the internet we have today is because of him. In fact, the first time Nawaz became PM, Pak was offered access to the internet straight from the main lines running undersea but Nawaz at the time declined. The result is the shitty internet Pak has today with problems throughout the year and speeds which are slower than the speed I get on my mobile data in UK.

 

[PakSword]

I disagree, no matter how bad Musharraf was, he wasn't a bad person.

He was the reason of first NRO in the history of Pakistan.. and rest is history..

So he is on the top of my ghaddars list!

 

[fitpOsitive]

He was the reason of first NRO in the history of Pakistan.. and rest is history..

So he is on the top of my ghaddars list!

Actually a general is not trained to do governance. So whatever he did, he did for the betterment, or sometimes, as others, he also indulged in wrong businesses.

 

[xyxmt]

I have never met an honest Pakistani, who I thought were honest upstanding guys proved me wrong one time or another. Those who open these kind of threads, please look into your life and count how many misdeeds have you done.

 

[Dubious]

Sorry for bringing this boring topic time and again. But I am always compelled to bring this bitter topic forward, so that at least we have the realization of the true factors which are basically eating Pakistan, from within. I will present, as always, few cases, which will clarify my point.

1) There was playground near my home. Children used to play football and Cricket over there. That was a govt plot, basically left there for the future construction of a park(township planning).
One day, few political party thugs started a construction of a building in one of the corners of that plot. People started protesting. Police came and apprehended the guys who were constructing that building(but the guys who sold that place were never apprehended). Construction stopped. But after few days, it started again. And now the building is complete(and functional too).
From house building corporation to SHO in local police station might have got their share.
Now the place where once children used to play, are now shops. You can build any building anywhere, of any shape, if you pay right(or may be demanded) amount of money to Local thana, house building corporation, registrar and few others.

And everybody says : Yeh mulk kabhi sudhar nahi sakta.

2) One guy I met (who used to live near my home), was jobless. But he was an skilled guy. He knew confectionery and fertilizer making. I asked why you don"t open your own shop or factory? He said : Whenever someone tries to open a food shop, food department guys come on his/her shop. These food authority guys know very well, how to blackmail general masses. They look at shop, and with 100% accuracy, they calculate the revenue of that shop and demand their share.
The problem doesn't end here. If you survive that attack from food authority, then comes FBR guys. They are also very accurate in calculating monthly revenue and demanding their share. If someone says a no to any one of these guys, then shop is sealed and owner goes to jail(until he agrees or runs away).
However, if you survive vultures like these, you are free to sell whatever you like(even poison) and at the rates of your own choice.
From Police to FBR, everybody demands their share, and most of the business guys runaway from Pakistan because of these people(and of course civilian bhatta khors as well ). The guys who stay, are mostly, corrupt to death.

And everybody says : Yeh mulk kabhi sudhar nahi sakta.

3) You know Phajja Paey wala in Lahore? What may be his monthly or yearly earnings? May be millions. But does he pay taxes? And there are millions of such businessman who earn millions, but never pay taxes. Because the FBR guys, who are tasked with collecting taxes, get their share on monthly basis(or may be yearly), and the true money that should land in treasury, never reaches govt treasury, and hence we need IMF more frequently.

And everybody says : Yeh mulk kabhi sudhar nahi sakta.

4) If you are from a strong community, and you want to become a doctor , engineer or a commerce guy, its easy. Communities from Sindh, gather few carors to buy keys of the entry tests of few well known universities(Including Liaqat Medical university, Mehran University and Sindh University). You might see the names of 10 to 25 members of a particular community in a result list of 60 people, and might think: Man, members of this community are genius which I used to think. I was wrong.
The problem doesn't end here. These second category, or may be third category students gets the best education. And first category students, either leave the country and never return back, and why will they, or they get wasted on the roads of Pakistan. Its a mass scale murder, and genocide.

And everybody says : Yeh mulk kabhi sudhar nahi sakta.

5) The guys from NAB, FBR and other audit and accountability departments divide other departments and units like their fathers property. A director uses his subordinates like hunting dogs. The assistant directors (grade 17 and 18 guys) are given task to gather money from assigned departments and areas(often called units). An average assistant director earns 10 to 15 lacs a month(while gather crores and crores for directors and DGs), while his original pay, including "TA/DA" is usually not more than 120 thousand Rupees.
The tasks are looting, not accountability. And these departments were suppose to bring balance and accountability in society.

And everybody says : Yeh mulk kabhi sudhar nahi sakta.

6) Murder anyone, abduct anyone, rape anyone, and pay proper money to Magistrate and Judges. He will prolong case for you. Bail over bail. Tarekh pe tarekh. Poor dies meanwhile, with either poverty, firing or with just fees of Lawyers.
Murders never avenged, abducted daughters/sisters never recovered. Case close. Justice served.

And everybody says : Yeh mulk kabhi sudhar nahi sakta.

7) Bureaucracy doesn't allow Urdu to become national language and medium of instruction, just to avoid resistance from common people. Because people can only question the things, which they understand. The result is: Our elders learned Farsi to get job, we learned English to get job, and our Children will learn Chinese to get job. We will continue to be a consumer market, till eternity. We will keep importing things from needle to airplane. And our own industry will never stand on its feet.

8) Price control department, and quality control departments(specially PSQCA), just allow people to manufacture anything, sell for any price. All they need is little share.
The funny part is : Some times children of these officers die too, just because they took either a fake or substandard medicine, or they eat something poisonous, by the manufacturers who bribed their fathers.

9) In this chaos, some foreign agents take over the assets who actually run Pakistan. For example, the people who took over KESC. Their soul purpose was to paralyze Karachi, so that Pakistan is brought down, slowly. MQM was also made and designed in such a way that it destroyed the progressive fabric of Karachi. But with PTI, people of Karachi have hope, and that's why they voted for PTI, besides all threats to their families. Similar happened with PTCL, when green channels of ISI, Army and FIA at NTC were exposed to Israeli share holders of Etisalat.

10) These corrupt bureaucrats, departments and organizations facilitate the involvement of foreign forces. Some facilitate India, some facilitate Iran. I mean everyone has his favorite according to his interests, origin and background. Current blast in Quetta is another facilitation to a "brotherly" neighbor by locals. So practically, Pakistan is a open battle ground for many powers, just because of these corrupt departments, organizations and groups.

And everybody says : Pakistan main aman nahi hosakta.

There is a huge list of problems like this, that I can write books and books over. But the real problem is that, there is a problem within. The route causes are never addressed, and rulers never take things like way they should be. Nation is left of her own, and humans are free to treat each others like animals. People are not ready to accept rights of each others. Rulers never pay attention on the people training as a disciplined nation, not at collective level, through TV or internet.

Awam awam hain, hukumran hukumran hain.

Jala k berbad kerdia mery mulk ko in logon nain. Per main bhi bebas nahi, bs intezar main hon sahi waqt k.

@MastanKhan @Dubious @Irfan Baloch @Maarkhoor @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I don't know about all but some of these you can actually complain on citzens portal....I know coz I made complain abt forests being cut near our area, about drainage smell and people throwing trash in nearby drain.

Then I also know someone who complained to FBR hot line about a corrupt guy and got him caught for asking for bribe....

Therefore we can't generalise but instead of only bringing up one of cases try to think of solutions or get involved in whatever means you can. About the park write on citizens portal. The complain asks if you wish to remain anonymous....and you can.

If nothing happens to your complain in few mths (you can track it as it moves from officer to officer) then you complain to PM office. .usually people move their feet then. ..or take it to the media with photographs and land prints of the park....I notice most officers move faster when there is threat of media involved coz it would be documented....try to do something about it instead of just opening threads. ..

Where there is a will there is a way

 

[fitpOsitive]

I don't know about all but some of these you can actually complain on citzens portal....I know coz I made complain abt forests being cut near our area, about drainage smell and people throwing trash in nearby drain.

Then I also know someone who complained to FBR hot line about a corrupt guy and got him caught for asking for bribe....

Therefore we can't generalise but instead of only bringing up one of cases try to think of solutions or get involved in whatever means you can. About the park write on citizens portal. The complain asks if you wish to remain anonymous....and you can.

If nothing happens to your complain in few mths (you can track it as it moves from officer to officer) then you complain to PM office. .usually people move their feet then. ..or take it to the media with photographs and land prints of the park....I notice most officers move faster when there is threat of media involved coz it would be documented....try to do something about it instead of just opening threads. ..

Where there is a will there is a way

I am actually. This thread is just for general info, so that people may realise where actual problem reside.
Your reply is another aspect, that compliments this thread, where solution is proposed. So that's how, together we will win.

 

[Moonlight]

@Mentee @Tps43 @Khafee @Moonlight @Spring Onion

Beautiful thread.

“Mujhe yeh dar nahi Ke Yeh mulk Kese chalay ga, mujhe yeh dar hai Ke kahin aise he na chalta rahe”

 

[Dubious]

I am actually. This thread is just for general info, so that people may realise where actual problem reside.
Your reply is another aspect, that compliments this thread, where solution is proposed. So that's how, together we will win.

Sorry didn't have time to go through whole thread I don't usually log in from my mobile coz I hate reading on mobile.

 

[PakSword]

Beautiful thread.

“Mujhe yeh dar nahi Ke Yeh mulk Kese chalay ga, mujhe yeh dar hai Ke kahin aise he na chalta rahe”

Mujhay yeh yaqeen hai ke aisay nahi chalayga