So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?

[Steve781]

In the Middle Ages Islam was more tolerant of other religions tham Christianity in allowing them to worship freely provided they accepted "dhimmi" status. By modern standards though "dhimmi" status is not tolerant at all.

 

[KingMamba]

When the Spaniards were forcing Jews to convert or leave it was our Caliph of Islam who sent naval ships to save both Muslims and Jews. When the Muslims captured Jerusalem it was our Caliph who allowed Jews to return to Jerusalem. The Golden age of Judaism occurred under Islamic rule. All these are facts, that being said anyone who is trying to make it seem like everything was rosy is grossly mistaken. There were instances where Muslims targeted Jews, but never on the scale as seen in Europe. Anyway I figure if one counts figures the Israeli Jews may have killed many more Muslims in their short existence.

 

[Nefer]

It all depends on who you ask. In the eyes of anyone who has grown up living on Zionist propaganda since birth even a well respected historian will become a nut job if he simply states a historical fact which goes against all of the propaganda brainwashing: that no scientific evidence exists that Jews were gassed.

This is particularly true about British Historian David Irving, French Historian Robert Faurisson (if you speak and understand French, do look into him), and other blacklisted academics and historian, who mind you, are some of the best historians and experts on WW2 era. Their only wrong? That they question the official holocaust narrative.



As long as the mainstream remains under the domination of a certain interested party these historical facts will remain suppressed and anyone who tries to bring these historical facts into the mainstream will be discredited, sidelined, and labeled a "nut job", "anti-semite", "holocaust denier", etc before he/she even gets a chance to convey the message to the masses, and the masses will readily swallow the media lies about the person.

Anyhow, here is some info that might interest you both @Nefer :


"When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]"

The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies

All of the dates of these articles are provided on them;


The six million Jewish victims before Hitler:

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Six Million Jews in Russia facing extermination, article from 1920 states:

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Six Million Jews Claimed Dead 8 months before WW2 in Europe is over.

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Western Newspaper Predicts Exactly Six Million Jews Will Die Four Years Before WW2 Ended

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Its almost like they planned all of this propaganda before hand and just continued it after the war. And the sad part of it all: the masses swallowed it all whole. The same 6 million number was used before against the Russian Czarist gov.t and the White Russians prior to the advent of Hitler and the Third Reich.



Jew and Holocaust Scholar Raul Hillberg forced to admit in a Toronto, Canadian court that there is no scientific evidence proving Jews were gassed:

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Official Auschwitz death toll number changes overnight, how did 2.5 million dead people disappear from the death toll overnight??

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BTW, all of the SS camp guard confessions were extracted through torture, thus they are not reliable evidence that Jews were gassed in the concentration camps:


The Nuremberg Trials (part 2)

How Britain Tortured Nazi POW's During Interrogations- The Daily Mail

How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss


There's more, but i don't want to overwhelm you. For now this should suffice though.

:/ , nothing new for me, but thanks for the effort. But I may have something interesting for you. Tony Martin - Jewish Onslaught. Its about the role of the Jewish people in the Slave trade. Or type in Tony Martin - Slavery in youtube

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

What I have not been able to understand is that why was Germany---the real culprit---gotten away with it---why was not german land given to the jews to form their nation.

That would have been real justice---as I mentioned somewhere else---why did the winning nations not carve out a state for the jews in Germany----.

The jews would have a perfect homeland---germans subjugated----allied forces to protect the jews---and the jews would have a peaceful living.

But--tragically---they dump the jews on this godforsaken land---the germans get rewarded for getting their nation rebuilt by the americans---and the jews get the shaft---I mean to say---how stupid could these jews be--these were the cleverest people in the world and they got taken by the germans.

Tragically---those germans got them twice---first during their rule and second getting them put in eternal misery by landing them in Israel.

I mean to say @500 @Solomon2 how the fcuk could you guys be had so bad----living in Israel---misery and war---fear of war all the time---death destruction---what an insane way to live----.

Man---those whiteys really got rid of you yids in the best possibly way that they could---to punish you for whatever you did or did not do to them.

 

[The SC]

Hi,

What I have not been able to understand is that why was Germany---the real culprit---gotten away with it---why was not german land given to the jews to form their nation.

That would have been real justice---as I mentioned somewhere else---why did the winning nations not carve out a state for the jews in Germany----.

The jews would have a perfect homeland---germans subjugated----allied forces to protect the jews---and the jews would have a peaceful living.

But--tragically---they dump the jews on this godforsaken land---the germans get rewarded for getting their nation rebuilt by the americans---and the jews get the shaft---I mean to say---how stupid could these jews be--these were the cleverest people in the world and they got taken by the germans.

Tragically---those germans got them twice---first during their rule and second getting them put in eternal misery by landing them in Israel.

I mean to say @500 @Solomon2 how the fcuk could you guys be had so bad----living in Israel---misery and war---fear of war all the time---death destruction---what an insane way to live----.

Man---those whiteys really got rid of you yids in the best possibly way that they could---to punish you for whatever you did or did not do to them.

Taking into account the fact that most northern people - who can afford it today - prefer to spend winter in southern warm countries, I can advance that the planing European Jewish settlers of Usrael have taken that into account too. Just have a look at Palestinian Mediterranean (Usraeli) beaches...
That Northern cold is like death in many ways. So they stole a sunny land with free vacation in it !!! They prefer to die fighting for beach parties than freeze to death in Germany.

So

 

[Nefer]

Taking into account the fact that most northern people - who can afford it today - prefer to spend winter in southern warm countries, I can advance that the planing European Jewish settlers of Usrael have taken that into account too. Just have a look at Palestinian Mediterranean (Usraeli) beaches...
That Northern cold is like death in many ways. So they stole a sunny land with free vacation in it !!! They prefer to die fighting for beach parties than freeze to death in Germany.

So

Considering their historical conversations, their first plan was Argentina, but obviously their plans changed.

 

[Desert Fox]

Thanks brother. Yes, I do speak French fluently and I am aware of a few French historians who have not recognized the mainstream story of Holocaust as a whole. Completely that is.

To tell you honestly then even if the numbers are a bit inflated or much less then the Holocaust have created a world-wide (at least in the establishment) barrier where any criticism of the state of Israel or Jews is almost a crime in itself no matter if it is justified.

Ironically since Israel was established (which as we know happened only 3 years after the end of WW2) this opinion has slowly been changing and that's only due to the crimes of the Zionists in Israel. We see this very clearly in Europe nowadays and have seen it for some years. It will only go in one direction from now on. At least that's what I hope. What is still lacking is for the US to follow suit as it remains firmly pro-Israel. The US establishment (the real decision makers behind the scene) are not committed to peace let alone a two-state solution. Everything would change if that was the case.

Anyway once again I have to state that I have no problem with Jews as a people but rather Zionists. I know few people of Jewish ancestry. French Jews of Moroccan and Italian origins. We should also recognize that there is a substantial amount of Jews let alone Israelis that are against the policies of their regime.

Anyway thanks for all those links. Will take a look at them in the upcoming days. I have to prepare for some exams though and I should not even be on PDF but that's easier said than done, lol.

Yes, it is true. However, to be accurate, the numbers are very inflated. The 6 million number holds some kind of historical significance to Jews since the same accusation of extermination of 6 million Jews was used against the Czar during WW1.

And of course, not all Jews are Zionists and not all Jews support the official holocaust narrative.

Here is a French Jewish Professor who actually lived in France during Nazi occupation (he even enlisted in the French underground resistance):

Anyhow, here is also a list of the various Holocaust revisionists of all backgrounds, including Arabs and Muslims (perhaps you could look into their material):
​

Who are the Holocaust Revisionists?

Holocaust Revisionists are not a homogenous group.

Our numbers include Jews (Josef G. Burg, Roger Guy Dommergue, David Cole (if defined by birth), Joel Hayward); Christians (Michael A. Hoffman, Robert Countess); Muslims (Ibrahim Alloush, Ahmed Rami, Roger Garaudy) and Atheists (Germar Rudolf, Bradley Smith, David Cole, Robert Faurisson).

Paul Rassinier, a professor of geography and history, was a French Resistance fighter who spent many years in German concentration camps. He disputed the misrepresentations of fellow inmates E. Kogon and others and thereby became the founder of Holocaust Revisionism.

Some Revisionists suffered persecution by the National Socialist regime as well as internment in concentration camps (Paul Rassinier, Josef G. Burg). Others are Army veterans of World War II, from both the German and Allied armies (Werner Rademacher, Wilhelm Stäglich, Douglas Collins.)

Some Revisionists are professors (Prof. Robert Faurisson, Prof. Arthur R. Butz, Prof. Christian Lindtner, Prof. Costas Zaverdinos) and some have Ph.D degrees (Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich, Dr. Robert Countess, Dr. Stephen Hayward, Dr. Herbert Tiedemann). Some are Diploma Chemists, Physicists and Engineers (Michael Gärtner, Germar Rudolf, Arnulf Neumaier, Friedrich Berg), Historians (Mark Weber, Robert Countess, Carlo Mattogno), as well as teachers in other fields, such as Jürgen Graf.

The ranks of Holocaust Revisionists include Communists and Socialists (Paul Rassinier, Roger Garaudy), moderate Leftists (Pierre Guillaume, Serge Thion), Libertarians (Andrew Allen, Germar Rudolf, David Cole, Bradley Smith, Richard Widmann), Conservatives (Carlo Mattogno, Werner Rademacher), Rightists (Udo Walendy, Mark Weber) and National Socialists (Ernst Zündel, Vincent Reynouard). Since the author does not consider it important to classify revisionists according to political orientation, he cannot vouch for the correctness of these designations.

Included also are Frenchmen (Robert Faurisson, Pierre Guillaume, Roger Garaudy, Paul Rassinier, Vincent Reynouard, Jean Plantin), Americans (Bradley Smith, Mark Weber, Arthur Butz, Richard Widmann, Fredrick Leuchter), Germans (Germar Rudolf, Werner Rademacher, Michael Gärtner, Arnulf Neumaier, Wilhelm Stäglich), Swiss (Jürgen Graf, Arthur Vogt), Italians (Carlo Mattogno), Spaniards (Enrique Aynat), Jordanians (Ibrahim Alloush), Moroccans (Ahmed Rami), Swedes, Danes, Britons, Poles, and Russians, to name just a few.

Introduction to Revisionism



You should definitely read this interview of Ibrahim Alloush when you have the time:

A Conversation with Dr. Ibrahim Alloush

it gives a brilliant insight as to how the "6 million gassing" myth has made its way into Arab intellectual circles and thus trickled into Arab society. I'm sure there is more material by Ibrahim Alloush in Arabic which you would have access to and which you could recommend to other Arabs.


I have noticed that even Arabs are beginning to sympathize with their own murderers the Zionists due to this mainstream Holocaust narrative. This is very bad for Arabs in the long run. It is a intellectual virus.​

:/ , nothing new for me, but thanks for the effort. But I may have something interesting for you. Tony Martin - Jewish Onslaught. Its about the role of the Jewish people in the Slave trade. Or type in Tony Martin - Slavery in youtube

Well, it comes as a surprise to me that a Turkish member would have this much insight into revisionism because from my own experience not many Turks do know about this topic.

Anyhow, i'm glad to know that we're on the same page here. And yes, i have watched Dr. Tony Martin's lecture at the IHR conference. It was very satisfying to see that intelligent and successful Blacks like him are well aware of the major Jewish involvement in the African slave trade, a business in which Jews were involved for centuries yet this fact is deliberately hidden from the masses. Goes to show the extent of Zionist control of Western academia.

 

[Nefer]

Well, it comes as a surprise to me that a Turkish member would have this much insight into revisionism because from my own experience not many Turks do know about this topic.

I doubt there are more people like me around the Turkish community in general, It might all have to do with getting born and raised under certain circumstances.

However delving content like this comes with a price. Basic enjoyments of being human. The world is a lonely place for people like us, Like those eagles flying around alone trying to survive. To me Life is nothing less or more than Math.

Btw do you know turkish ?

 

[Desert Fox]

I doubt there are more people like me around the Turkish community in general, It might all have to do with getting born and raised under certain circumstances.

However delving content like this comes with a price. Basic enjoyments of being human. The world is a lonely place for people like us, Like those eagles flying around alone trying to survive. To me Life is nothing less or more than Math.

Yes, that is true. I feel the same way. My knowledge of this subject compels me to confront the lies whenever i get the chance. Thus you'll see me often times debating with other members on this subject. Seeing that there are other members who have also been exposed to revisionist thought (like yourself ) goes a long way. I could use your assistance.

Btw do you know turkish ?

No, i do not know Turkish besides a few words like Merhabah or Kardesh, though im not even sure if i spelled those out correctly.

 

[Nefer]

Yes, that is true. I feel the same way. My knowledge of this subject compels me to confront the lies whenever i get the chance. Thus you'll see me often times debating with other members on this subject. Seeing that there are other members who have also been exposed to revisionist thought (like yourself ) goes a long way. I could use your assistance.

No, i do not know Turkish besides a few words like Merhabah or Kardesh, though im not even sure if i spelled those out correctly.

I personally give it a shot or 2, after that I just don't bring it up, if a person doesn't want to take the risks to explore the darker part of the world, than it means 2 things. They are cut out for this and they don't want to lead with you but follow those who can give them comfort. I will try to support though.

Hmm, shame about the Turkish there would have been many more materials to give pleasure/perspectives/information to people like us.

Have you listened or read the book of Emanuel Goldstein in the book 1984

 

[Desert Fox]

I personally give it a shot or 2, after that I just don't bring it up, if a person doesn't want to take the risks to explore the darker part of the world, than it means 2 things. They are cut out for this and they don't want to lead with you but follow those who can give them comfort. I will try to support though.

Hmm, shame about the Turkish there would have been many more materials to give pleasure/perspectives/information to people like us.

Have you listened or read the book of Emanuel Goldstein in the book 1984

Yes, true, i agree. But for the most part my reason for debating is not to convince the falsifiers and the staunch believers/defenders of falsehood over to my side, although that would be a welcome outcome, however my main goal is to use the opportunity of challenging their lies as a means of reaching out to the many passerby's who are either undecided/uncertain or who have no knowledge of the subject and thus easily fall prey to the propaganda if one were to allow it to go unchallenged.

Hmm, shame about the Turkish there would have been many more materials to give pleasure/perspectives/information to people like us.

Yes, sadly this is a major limitation of revisionism. It is mostly confined to the English speaking/Western world, though even there is presence isn't strong enough (though it is gaining increasing popularity lately). The Zionists biggest advantage is their control of the mass media and their unlimited financial resources, something the revisionists cannot compete against in their present state.

Have you listened or read the book of Emanuel Goldstein in the book 1984

Sounds like a interesting book, will give it a read once i have the time. Strangely enough, i have never read Orwell's 1984 even though i have always intended too. My preoccupation with WW2 and related historical topics has kept me from looking into other important literary works.

 

[al-Hasani]

Yes, it is true. However, to be accurate, the numbers are very inflated. The 6 million number holds some kind of historical significance to Jews since the same accusation of extermination of 6 million Jews was used against the Czar during WW1.

And of course, not all Jews are Zionists and not all Jews support the official holocaust narrative.

Here is a French Jewish Professor who actually lived in France during Nazi occupation (he even enlisted in the French underground resistance):

Anyhow, here is also a list of the various Holocaust revisionists of all backgrounds, including Arabs and Muslims (perhaps you could look into their material):
​

Who are the Holocaust Revisionists?

Holocaust Revisionists are not a homogenous group.

Our numbers include Jews (Josef G. Burg, Roger Guy Dommergue, David Cole (if defined by birth), Joel Hayward); Christians (Michael A. Hoffman, Robert Countess); Muslims (Ibrahim Alloush, Ahmed Rami, Roger Garaudy) and Atheists (Germar Rudolf, Bradley Smith, David Cole, Robert Faurisson).

Paul Rassinier, a professor of geography and history, was a French Resistance fighter who spent many years in German concentration camps. He disputed the misrepresentations of fellow inmates E. Kogon and others and thereby became the founder of Holocaust Revisionism.

Some Revisionists suffered persecution by the National Socialist regime as well as internment in concentration camps (Paul Rassinier, Josef G. Burg). Others are Army veterans of World War II, from both the German and Allied armies (Werner Rademacher, Wilhelm Stäglich, Douglas Collins.)

Some Revisionists are professors (Prof. Robert Faurisson, Prof. Arthur R. Butz, Prof. Christian Lindtner, Prof. Costas Zaverdinos) and some have Ph.D degrees (Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich, Dr. Robert Countess, Dr. Stephen Hayward, Dr. Herbert Tiedemann). Some are Diploma Chemists, Physicists and Engineers (Michael Gärtner, Germar Rudolf, Arnulf Neumaier, Friedrich Berg), Historians (Mark Weber, Robert Countess, Carlo Mattogno), as well as teachers in other fields, such as Jürgen Graf.

The ranks of Holocaust Revisionists include Communists and Socialists (Paul Rassinier, Roger Garaudy), moderate Leftists (Pierre Guillaume, Serge Thion), Libertarians (Andrew Allen, Germar Rudolf, David Cole, Bradley Smith, Richard Widmann), Conservatives (Carlo Mattogno, Werner Rademacher), Rightists (Udo Walendy, Mark Weber) and National Socialists (Ernst Zündel, Vincent Reynouard). Since the author does not consider it important to classify revisionists according to political orientation, he cannot vouch for the correctness of these designations.

Included also are Frenchmen (Robert Faurisson, Pierre Guillaume, Roger Garaudy, Paul Rassinier, Vincent Reynouard, Jean Plantin), Americans (Bradley Smith, Mark Weber, Arthur Butz, Richard Widmann, Fredrick Leuchter), Germans (Germar Rudolf, Werner Rademacher, Michael Gärtner, Arnulf Neumaier, Wilhelm Stäglich), Swiss (Jürgen Graf, Arthur Vogt), Italians (Carlo Mattogno), Spaniards (Enrique Aynat), Jordanians (Ibrahim Alloush), Moroccans (Ahmed Rami), Swedes, Danes, Britons, Poles, and Russians, to name just a few.

Introduction to Revisionism



You should definitely read this interview of Ibrahim Alloush when you have the time:

A Conversation with Dr. Ibrahim Alloush

it gives a brilliant insight as to how the "6 million gassing" myth has made its way into Arab intellectual circles and thus trickled into Arab society. I'm sure there is more material by Ibrahim Alloush in Arabic which you would have access to and which you could recommend to other Arabs.


I have noticed that even Arabs are beginning to sympathize with their own murderers the Zionists due to this mainstream Holocaust narrative. This is very bad for Arabs in the long run. It is a intellectual virus.​

Very interesting.

I actually have seen Ibrahim Alloush in action on Al-Jazeera and other Arab media. I was not aware of him being a revisionist though. I read his interview that you linked to and I agreed with most of it.

Alloush: Many of these objections were tackled in recent issues of the Free Arab Voice (www.fav.net). But, very briefly, it should be made clear that revisionists neither deny nor condone the deaths of Jews during the Second World War. However, the "Holocaust" ceased long ago to be about the Jews who died in that war. The "Holocaust" is about Zionist power and policies. As stated, the "Holocaust" myths serve specific objectives: justifying Zionist settlement in Palestine; cultivating a guilt complex in the West over the "Holocaust" as the result of Western anti-Semitism; mobilizing Western public opinion behind financial, political, and military support for the Zionist movement; and condoning Zionist infractions of international law under the pretext that the wartime deaths of the Jews were unique and unparalleled in human history!

This part of the conversation is also interesting;

Editor: What of the accusation that associating with revisionists would stigmatize Arabs as Nazi sympathizers and discredit their cause in the West, especially in the light of the fact that El Haj Amin al Husseini cooperated with Germans?

Alloush: Let's set the historical record straight. The cooperation between Zionists and Nazis preceded that of El Haj Amin al Husseini with Nazi Germany by many years. In fact, the main purpose of El Haj Amin al Husseini's contacts with the Germans was to thwart their support for the Zionists. Between 1933 and 1938, the Nazis were on decidedly good terms with the Zionists, as evidenced by the Haavara agreement, which facilitated Jewish immigration to Palestine as well as economic and logistical support through Jewish capital. In 1938, the Nazis decided to take a more balanced approach towards the Arabs, while maintaining their cooperation with the Zionists; El Haj Amin tried to use this opening to put an end to Nazi support for Zionists. Evidently his strategy eventually bore fruit, since Nazi-Zionist cooperation came to an end around 1942. If cooperation with the Nazis is the criterion for condemning El Haj Amin, then the Zionists were guiltier by far than El Haj Amin al Husseini. Nazi-Zionist cooperation was the direct precursor of al Husseini's cooperation with the Germans, in addition to British support for the Zionists, of course.

I do not think that there is any danger of Arabs adopting Zionism. That's IMO the last people to do so for obvious reasons. The lack of more condemnation of Israel is telling though but that's due to the leaderships.

Oh, and you should definitely read George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four.

 

[Desert Fox]

Very interesting.

I actually have seen Ibrahim Alloush in action on Al-Jazeera and other Arab media. I was not aware of him being a revisionist though. I read his interview that you linked to and I agreed with most of it.

Yes, he seems to be well known in Arab circles, all the better for revisionism in that part of the world.

This part of the conversation is also interesting;

True, this is one of the many historical facts the Zionists intentionally hide under the rugs. And besides this short lived Nazi-Zionist cooperation, there were also 150,000 half Jews (some of them were full Jews by definition of Jewish law) serving within Hitler's Armed Forces, another fact they will not allow to reach the mainstream.

I do not think that there is any danger of Arabs adopting Zionism. That's IMO the last people to do so for obvious reasons. The lack of more condemnation of Israel is telling though but that's due to the leaderships.

True.

Oh, and you should definitely read George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four.

I do intend to, but this subject of WW2 is like an endless pit, there is always more to read and learn about this single subject.

Right now i'm reading Victor Suvorov's The Chief Culprit a very well researched work by an ex-Soviet Intelligence Officer on Stalin's invasion plans for Europe and the rest of the world. This book alone debunks the theory that Hitler invaded the Soviet Union for living space. However, it should be noted that the author of the book is a staunch Russian Nationalist and in no way is a Hitler apologist/Nazi sympathizer.

 

[Mugwop]

Muslim Man Hailed as Hero for Actions in Kosher Grocery Store Attack

Reportedly hid multiple survivors in freezer to hide them from gunman
A Muslim employee of the Paris kosher grocery store attacked by a terrorist Friday is being hailed as a hero for saving multiple customers from the gunman.
When Amedy Coulibaly opened fire in the Hyper Cacher grocery store, employee Lassana Bathily reportedly ushered several customers into a freezer to save them from the attack. “I went down to the freezer, I opened the door, there were several people who went in with me. I turned off the light and the freezer,” Bathily, 24, told French network BFMTV, according to the Huffington Post‘s translation. “I brought them inside and I told them to stay calm here, I’m going to go out. When they got out, they thanked me.”
Multiple people survived the attack, which French President Francois Hollande called “an anti-Semitic act,” by hiding inside the freezer.
Some survivors were reportedly able to call their friends and relatives from the freezer in order to tell them they were alive. It is not yet clear how many people Bathily saved, since many traumatized survivors have not yet come forward with their version of events.
When police raided the store and killed Coulibaly, they originally thought Bathily was a co-conspirator, he says. “They told me, get down on the ground, hands over your head,” he told BFMTV. “They cuffed me and held me for an hour and a half as if I was with them.”
Bathily was hailed as a hero on social media at a time of especially high tensions between Muslim and non-Muslim communities in France, in the wake of al-Qaeda-claimed terror attacks Wednesday against satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and Friday against the kosher grocery store.