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Slum free india in five years

Yes, there is a way - sterilization of people with lower than average IQ.

These people should not be allowed to have children. Only those citizens who have average or above-average capabilities should be given reproductive rights.

Are you a eugenics supporter? Do you really know what you are saying? It sounds similar to Nazi ideology.

IQ is not a good way to measure intelligence especially in an illiterate population. Several studies have shown that IQ tests tend to be culturally biased and even in the same culture there may be subcultures which affect the results. In such a situation how do you even propose to carry out your ideas. The emphasis here should be on who works hard to earn his keep, and they should be then given better opportunities. The lethargic ones should be merely sidelined.
 
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Eventhough i doubt about the deadline of 5yrs, I really do appreciate GOI to take baby steps to wipeout slums from India. I wouldnt mind even if they cant achieve 100% target in 5yrs, but it still is a step in the positive direction. This move may not make much differnce to the current generaton lives in slums as they could find it hard to cope with a new environment, but it WILL make the next generation's future bright for sure. The new generation of India doesnt deserve to grow up in a slum.
 
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5 years it is hard to say yes but we are really working hard to solve all the problems
 
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Why not? Tell me why not?

All I'm getting here is cries of Nazi and hitler.

We have Sanjay Gandhi all over again. Allow me.

a) Because India is a democracy, you cannot force people to go into sterilization programmes.
b) People who live in slums have lower IQs? Allow me to differ. You think just because you have a better education, you are better than them? Why? Because you are a productive member of society?

This productivity rubbish can only be swallowed by the products of American education system. No doubt Adam Smith is a personal hero of yours.

c) Their poverty has nothing to do with lower IQs, it has to do with lack of opportunities and illiteracy. We are all products of our socio-economic environment, change their social and economic conditions to improve their lives. Or atleast the lives of the children you don't want them to have.
 
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SLUMS of this country can not be removed.

if we give them new appartment - of 500 squarefeet - they sell it and again go back to some other slum.

these people are uneducated thrash and they dont want to - rise up.

i dont see a hope for them

more over - why should they be given extra previlage if they dont deserve it.
just because they are poor doesnt mean they should get it all without any reason.

i know - hard working people from slums of mumbai making it big - without help from any government funded programme.
 
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Are you a eugenics supporter?

Yes I am.

Do you really know what you are saying? It sounds similar to Nazi ideology.

That's nonsense. Your argument is similar to calling nuclear physics as "evil" because nuclear physics can be used to construct a bomb.

Science is neither evil nor good. Its what you use it for.

IQ is not a good way to measure intelligence especially in an illiterate population. Several studies have shown that IQ tests tend to be culturally biased and even in the same culture there may be subcultures which affect the results.

You're right, but most IQ testers know of this and tailor their tests to accurately measure intelligence.

Also, IQ tests are conducted on literate members of the population, not illiterates.

The lethargic ones should be merely sidelined.

You mean the dim ones right. No, they should be made to work, but not allowed to reproduce. Their genetic traits should not be allowed to pass onto the next generation.
 
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And you're wrong - mental abilities just like physical appearance is largely dependent on genetic factors. Go look it up in any scientific book or ask your college professor.

Although my proficiencies are in the fields of medicinal chemistry, biochemistry, pharmacology etc, I can safely conclude that you do not know what you are on about; and I doubt you have come across any professors to begin with.

Granted, genetic factors may have a part to play in an individuals overall intelligence, however to suggest that an individuals genes are a predominant factor is erroneous.

The type of parenting, level of education, external environment, socio-economic factors, socio-political factors to name but a few all play a determinational role in an individuals intelligence that could render any genetic factor as void or negligible.

"Measures of intelligence have reliable statistical relationships with important social phenomena, but they are a limited tool for deciding what to make of any given individual. Repeat it we must, for one of the problems of writing about intelligence is how to remind readers often enough how little an IQ score tells you about whether the human being next to you is someone whom you will admire or cherish." Herrnstein and Murray (1994, p. 21)

"Mother Nature has plainly not entrusted the determination of our intellectual capacities to the blind fate of a gene or genes; she gave us parents, learning, language, culture and education to program ourselves with."
(Ridley, 1999, p. 77)


By your own reckoning, Salman sahib, you must give yourself up for castration post haste!

Your views about preventing people from having children based upon their IQ is utterly abhorrent to any decent human being; especially if one considers that an IQ test is subjective and problematic to begin with.

Even if we agree for arguments sake that an IQ test is fit for purpose, have you considered the social affects of implementing your Nazi-like scheme?

We will have two classes of people – those who can and those who cannot have children. Those who can have children will feel naturally empowered and will develop Nazi-like traits, whereas those who cannot will become the despised and rejected of society. Seen as it established the intelligence is not a predominantly genetic trait, the cycle will continue to ad infinitum…

Does an IQ test determine the “goodness” of an individual? Is your lower class of ultra stupid human being to be judged as worthless due to intelligence alone with a total disregard of them being good people?

Hitler - fairly intelligent, but not very nice being a prime example.
 
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Although my proficiencies are in the fields of medicinal chemistry, biochemistry, pharmacology etc, I can safely conclude that you do not know what you are on about; and I doubt you have come across any professors to begin with.

Yes, I do know a lot of professors, and let me assure you that I have attended university to post graduate level.

Granted, genetic factors may have a part to play in an individuals overall intelligence, however to suggest that an individuals genes are a predominant factor is erroneous.

The type of parenting, level of education, external environment, socio-economic factors, socio-political factors to name but a few all play a determinational role in an individuals intelligence that could render any genetic factor as void or negligible.

Given adequate nutrition, genes are the only factor that determines a person's intelligence.
Obviously, a malnourished child will not develop to his potential, and thus end up with a low-IQ, but his intelligence will not exceed the pre-determined limit imposed by his own genes.

"Measures of intelligence have reliable statistical relationships with important social phenomena, but they are a limited tool for deciding what to make of any given individual. Repeat it we must, for one of the problems of writing about intelligence is how to remind readers often enough how little an IQ score tells you about whether the human being next to you is someone whom you will admire or cherish." Herrnstein and Murray (1994, p. 21)

I can quote many more papers that conclude the exact opposite. However, quoting one para from a paper which gives no details about the testing conditions, the test participants, the country in which the test was conducted, etc. etc. cannot be used to prove anything.

"Mother Nature has plainly not entrusted the determination of our intellectual capacities to the blind fate of a gene or genes; she gave us parents, learning, language, culture and education to program ourselves with."
(Ridley, 1999, p. 77)

Obviously, without education, nobody will able to achieve his or her intellectual capacity. Your para is nothing but a red herring.
As far a parenting goes, bad parenting can spoil a person's attitude and personality, but not intelligence.

By your own reckoning, Salman sahib, you must give yourself up for castration post haste!

My IQ has been measure by several tests to be between 132 and 136, and no, I don't mean the internet crap tests where they make everyone feel like a genius.

Your views about preventing people from having children based upon their IQ is utterly abhorrent to any decent human being; especially if one considers that an IQ test is subjective and problematic to begin with.

Its abhorrent to you because you have judged based on your own subjective values and morality. Just like it was considered abhorrent for females to have sex outside marriage a century ago, but today it is perfectly acceptable in Scandinavian countries.

And again, IQ is NOT problematic if measured correctly, tailoring the test to the local situation.

Even if we agree for arguments sake that an IQ test is fit for purpose, have you considered the social affects of implementing your Nazi-like scheme?
We will have two classes of people – those who can and those who cannot have children. Those who can have children will feel naturally empowered and will develop Nazi-like traits, whereas those who cannot will become the despised and rejected of society. Seen as it established the intelligence is not a predominantly genetic trait, the cycle will continue to ad infinitum…

Nazi like...Nazi like...more character assassination and less logic.

Just like those who can afford cars feel naturally empowered? Or those who own expensive shoes feel empowered ? Or those who hold high positions in big compaines feel empowered?

Are sweepers rejected and despised in your society because they are not talented enough to be Stephen Hawking? Or are you suggesting that everyone is capable enough to be Stephen Hawking and its the fault of their parents and their schools that they're not?

Power will always be distributed unequally, and talented people will naturally get more power. That is only considered "Nazi-like" if you label it that way.

Does an IQ test determine the “goodness” of an individual? Is your lower class of ultra stupid human being to be judged as worthless due to intelligence alone with a total disregard of them being good people?

There is nothing called "goodness". Everyone inherits the values of their parents and their society as long as they have no mental illness that prevents them from doing so.
Of course, ones attitude is also shaped by genetic factors, but there is nothing to indicate that more intelligent people are "more evil" than people with average intelligence. So one can safely assume that a high-iq society wouldn't be any more "evil" than a low-iq one.

Infact, those with low-IQ are far more likely to get influenced by religious or fundamentalist propaganda into committing heinous crimes and other acts detrimental to the progress of society.
 
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Given adequate nutrition, genes are the only factor that determines a person's intelligence.

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The above should be sufficient for anybody having studied elementary genetics at school level to conclude that Salman sahib is best left ignored.
 
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The above should be sufficient for anybody having studied elementary genetics at school level to conclude that Salman sahib is best left ignored.

What bloody nonsense. Are you suggesting that everyone is equally capable, and therefore sweepers, manual labourers, construction workers and the like were all abused by their parents, had inadequate nutrition or were somehow not allowed to become Nobel Prize winning scientists because of their "environment"?
 
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Salman Nadeem sahib, I certainly do hope that you recovered from your brief heart attack.

Please do not attribute me with anything I have not said or alluded to, be it satirically or subliminally.

I, quite frankly, cannot be bothered arguing with your home made absurdities veneered with words such as “nutrition”, ”genetic” or your new field previously unknown to science, known as “nutritional genetics”, in an attempt to sound scientific when in reality I doubt you’ve even studied genetics at elementary level.

I have enough faith in the members here; and I, along with them would prefer to sit at the sidelines and laugh.

Have a nice day
 
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SLUM FREE INDIA is also a slogan of Singh parewarr
rashteria sewak singh vishwa hindu pareshad bajarand dal and nairaindra moodies BJP coz SLUM in india are mostly muslims

u ppl took them away from progress so much i t is impossible for u now to be free from that

slum free india be reality one ay when there be fair polices

in india most parties are not considering muslims as human oofff the record and u are talking about free...............



this is not the programme of STAR WORLD where u would provide equal oppertunities to all

think over it
 
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We have Sanjay Gandhi all over again.

And Indians kicked out Congress for such heavyhandedness after Sanjay's stupidity.

Allow me.

a) Because India is a democracy, you cannot force people to go into sterilization programmes.

b) People who live in slums have lower IQs? Allow me to differ. You think just because you have a better education, you are better than them? Why? Because you are a productive member of society?

This productivity rubbish can only be swallowed by the products of American education system. No doubt Adam Smith is a personal hero of yours.

c) Their poverty has nothing to do with lower IQs, it has to do with lack of opportunities and illiteracy. We are all products of our socio-economic environment, change their social and economic conditions to improve their lives. Or atleast the lives of the children you don't want them to have.

You do echo most of my views.

Except the illiteracy bit.
Schooling is no guarantee for education. Siksha se Vidya mil jaaye, koi jaruri nahin. Kerala, Uttrakhand, Himachal Pradesh, (historically even Bengal) has/had high literacy and much smaller economic footprint. On the other hand Better opportunities will bring in a desire for better self education to fulfil the need to rise up the value chain.
For growth we need to free up local entrepreneaurs at all levels.
 
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What bloody nonsense. Are you suggesting that everyone is equally capable, and therefore sweepers, manual labourers, construction workers and the like were all abused by their parents, had inadequate nutrition or were somehow not allowed to become Nobel Prize winning scientists because of their "environment"?

Bro you seem to be defending illogical merely because you started it.

Agreed your IQ is 136 or thereabout. Was your father and grandfather's IQ also the same. Will your offsprings be the same as well.

Was global power of US or before that UK based on intelligence or was there intelligence based on their ability to attract the best of other civilizations.

What is more important allowing the best to perform to their capacity or allowing the best to admit defeat by simply culling the poor for the trust of whom god brought the best into the world.

Do you really believe that Eugenics guarantee future development. Does even Intelligence guarantees anything.

What will Bharat be without its variety and with only the stupid desire to get rid of what does not conforms. This is a nation build upon the strength of minorities and the odd men of the world. What do you want to make of this country.

Sir you may not probably realise that this vast population provides the distinct advantages of scale that any civilization needs to reach its full potential.
 
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New Delhi, Sep 12 (PTI) To ensure a slum-free India in five years, the Centre today asked the states to contribute fully in this regard.

Housing and Poverty Alleviation Minister Kumari Selja said states should set up regulatory authorities for this.

At a press conference, she said a bill will be drafted soon and tabled in the winter session of Parliament.

She said before finalising the bill, consultations will be held with various stakeholders.

Her ministry is also working on in-situ rehabilitation of slum-dwellers by building houses at the same spot under the flagship Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission.

"We are also encouraging public-private-partnership and the ministry will provide viability gap funding, wherever required," she said.

Selja said under JNNURM, 1.4 million houses have been sanctioned "though we are aware, needs are much more".

Aladin bhai ka chirag mil gaya keya :undecided:


40 percent your population live under extreme poverty line and that is about 400 millions. New delhi or bandra isn't real India as some of you guys like us to believe. Your eastern state known as seven sisters is out of shape, worst than any other region in subcontinent. A realistic goal should be propose. Try 25 years if your economic growth continue as is.
 
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