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They has also plan to build/upgrade new AB flight 3 and used this dual phase array on AB flight 3 destroyers
Sleeping dragon no more: China about to replace US as strongest naval power and Washington is too la
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So you are saying US are lacking behind China? Our 055 dual phased is already up while US is only in planning stage? Doesn't fit your theory US is leading China in tech....
Maybe when US install the dual phased radar, China already introduced version 2...
Please don't be selective of your stance. You just selective of facts to fit your mentality US will always lead with no logic.
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bro i am a neutral guy if they think their PESA equipped AB and AB flight 1/2/3 is enough to deal with china, they have cooperative engagement capability that china currently lacks which eliminate the weakness of AB flight 1/2/3 destroyers, you have to admit bro you're relatively new on ship and its system design, they have decades of experience, admitting is not a bad thing sir
It not about nationalistic or admitting. Who are u to judge PESA is enough handle China dual phased array? See the ironic of your statement. You are the one claiming USN is upgrading to flight III with dual phased array and yet you claim current PESA is enough to handle China? Then why the speed up of upgrade after 055 is commissioned?
It more like you refuse to eat the humble pie US is lacking behind while still live in fantasy US is leading...
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/we-n...-more-of-the-dod-budget.650070/#post-12029015
Even US is worried about the pace of China naval tech advancement and we have a layman claim the contradicted of US defence top man statement....
Western nation took 200 years to achieve full industrialization and yet China took only 40 years. You cannot compare US experience to China. China is faster and smarter.
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They have cooperative engagement capability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_Engagement_Capability Which remedies most of the weaknes of PESA on AB which currently China lacks
China has, just becos you dont know. You are just kidding yourself. I am not to argue with u anymore. Go ahead and live in your fantasy.
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Ok then you're living on your own fairy tales that you surpass USN in technologies
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Real improvements are inside the hull.
Study this interview: http://mil-embedded.com/articles/the-aegis-combat-systems-continuous-modernization/
Type 055 destroyer is a completely new hull design, therefore it have its advantages. Still loosely based on Arleigh Burke class hull design.
Arleigh Burke class hull design was introduced in the 1960s, and it was way ahead of other hull designs at the time in terms of durability and housing technologies within. Even today Arleigh Burke class destroyers are best equipped in the world.
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China to stop building Type 056 corvettes as navy shifts focus to larger vessels
Liu Zhen in Beijing
Published: 8:00pm, 14 Jan, 2020
China will reportedly stop building its Type 056 corvettes after the navy shifted its focus to ordering bigger warships for high sea missions.
The last of the 1,300-tonne guided-missile corvettes, the Aba, was completed in December, according to a recent report by the local media in the vessel’s namesake, Aba prefecture in Sichuan.
The vessel will join the navy’s south sea fleet, Aba Television’s official social media account reported last week, although did not say when it would join the fleet.
The first Type 056 was only launched in 2012; it immediately became one of the most widely produced warships with at least 60 being built over the past eight years.
The lightweight model has been widely adopted thanks to its powerful armaments, which include a 176mm gun, two 30mm cannons, anti-ship and air-defence missile launchers and two torpedo tubes. It can also load a medium-lift helicopter on board and has great flexibility in near-shore operations.
Two Type 056 corvettes, the Huizhou and the Qinzhou, have been deployed in the PLA’s Hong Kong garrison since 2013.
There is also an anti-submarine variant, the Type 056A, and a coastguard variant armed with water cannon.
This corvette has also been sold to foreign navies, including Bangladesh and Nigeria.
Despite the relatively new design and wide use, production of the Type 056 will be stopped, partly because the navy has had enough coastal defence vessels and will move onto blue-water operations, according to a Global Times report.
“Shipyards could shift their focus to building larger warships,” it said.
On Sunday, the navy commissioned its first Type 055 guided-missile destroyer, the Nanchang, one of the most advanced ships of its type.
Other Type 055s are already undergoing sea trials and more are in the pipeline. The vessels will act as the main escorts in China’s aircraft carrier strike groups.
In the meantime, the Type 052D guided-missile destroyers, also described as the Chinese equivalent to Aegis destroyers, have become the main warships.
The Hudong shipyard in Shanghai, where most Type 056s were built, is working on the country’s first amphibious assault ships, the Type 075, the first of which was launched in September.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...rds-call-time-corvettes-switch-larger-vessels
- The PLA Navy has started ordering bigger warships as it starts to prepare for missions further away from its shoreline
- The last Type 056, the Aba, has been completed, according to local media reports in its namesake prefecture
Liu Zhen in Beijing
Published: 8:00pm, 14 Jan, 2020
China will reportedly stop building its Type 056 corvettes after the navy shifted its focus to ordering bigger warships for high sea missions.
The last of the 1,300-tonne guided-missile corvettes, the Aba, was completed in December, according to a recent report by the local media in the vessel’s namesake, Aba prefecture in Sichuan.
The vessel will join the navy’s south sea fleet, Aba Television’s official social media account reported last week, although did not say when it would join the fleet.
The first Type 056 was only launched in 2012; it immediately became one of the most widely produced warships with at least 60 being built over the past eight years.
The lightweight model has been widely adopted thanks to its powerful armaments, which include a 176mm gun, two 30mm cannons, anti-ship and air-defence missile launchers and two torpedo tubes. It can also load a medium-lift helicopter on board and has great flexibility in near-shore operations.
Two Type 056 corvettes, the Huizhou and the Qinzhou, have been deployed in the PLA’s Hong Kong garrison since 2013.
There is also an anti-submarine variant, the Type 056A, and a coastguard variant armed with water cannon.
This corvette has also been sold to foreign navies, including Bangladesh and Nigeria.
Despite the relatively new design and wide use, production of the Type 056 will be stopped, partly because the navy has had enough coastal defence vessels and will move onto blue-water operations, according to a Global Times report.
“Shipyards could shift their focus to building larger warships,” it said.
On Sunday, the navy commissioned its first Type 055 guided-missile destroyer, the Nanchang, one of the most advanced ships of its type.
Other Type 055s are already undergoing sea trials and more are in the pipeline. The vessels will act as the main escorts in China’s aircraft carrier strike groups.
In the meantime, the Type 052D guided-missile destroyers, also described as the Chinese equivalent to Aegis destroyers, have become the main warships.
The Hudong shipyard in Shanghai, where most Type 056s were built, is working on the country’s first amphibious assault ships, the Type 075, the first of which was launched in September.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...rds-call-time-corvettes-switch-larger-vessels
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China is becoming an Atlantic sea power, says US military analyst
The PLAN’s amphibious transport ship Jinggangshan leaves Guangdong for Doraleh in Djibouti. Photo: Xinhua
China is becoming an Atlantic naval power, venturing into the ocean’s southern waters as it steps up investment in the region and counters perceived threats from the United States, according to a report in a security journal.
The assessment, written by Ryan Martinson, an assistant professor at the US Naval War College in Rhode Island, said that in the last five years China’s presence outside of Asia had expanded from anti-piracy operations and port visits to training and setting up a military port at Doraleh in Djibouti on the Horn of Africa, close to the Gulf of Aden, Red Sea and Persian Gulf.
“Once limited to port visits and largely symbolic joint exercises, PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] activities in the South Atlantic now include independent operations and training,” Martinson said in the report, published on Monday in the journal of the Royal United Services Institute, a British military think tank.
“It has also shown early efforts to develop mastery of the ocean battlespace environment in key areas of the South Atlantic.”
It said the Chinese naval presence had become more sophisticated, with longer missions. In one case, a PLAN task force spent 24 days in the Atlantic before putting in at Cape Town, South Africa, in August 2017. In another, a PLAN task force spent 13 days sailing from Douala port in Cameroon to Cape Town, longer than a typical voyage.
In these instances, Chinese forces were training and doing drills, including staging missile attack simulations, the report said. Research vessels were also part of the operations.
“Much of the data Chinese scientists collect is dual-use and [was] likely [to be] shared with counterparts in the military,” the report said.
After analysing the patterns of PLAN port calls in West Africa, Martinson found Cape Town, on South Africa’s southwest coast, was its favoured stop, with vessels calling there at least six times between June 2014 and June 2018.
The report suggested that the naval activity increased as part of the drive to protect China’s overseas interests.
According to 2017 commerce ministry statistics quoted in the report, of the five African countries with the greatest direct investment from China, four – South Africa, Congo, Nigeria and Angola – faced the South Atlantic.
The Chinese destroyer Guangzhou makes a port call in Djibouti. Photo: Handout.
But the report also said the increased PLAN presence in the South Atlantic could reflect a shift in China’s strategy for handling the great power competition in East Asia.
“Chinese deployment of naval power beyond maritime East Asia likely reflects Beijing’s incorporation of certain elements of an ‘exterior’ strategy into its overall approach for coping with the US threat,” it said.
“By developing robust naval capabilities abroad, the logic goes, China might compel the US to adjust its force posture, shifting air and sea assets away from the western Pacific to account for Chinese threats elsewhere.”
Expansion in the South Atlantic came as China made its larger presence in the Pacific and Indian oceans felt.
The Chinese navy regularised training beyond the first island chain, a barrier of archipelagos separating the China seas from the Pacific, in 2007. It also moved west into the Indian Ocean in late 2008.
Charlie Lyons Jones, a researcher from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s defence and strategy programme, said the Chinese navy’s operations in the South Atlantic indicated that China was trying to gain the experience and ability required for sustaining a blue-water force like the US Navy.
“However, while China has a military base in Djibouti, the PLAN probably lacks the basing infrastructure and logistics enablers needed for successfully operating in the South Atlantic during a high-intensity conflict with a peer-adversary such as the United States Navy,” Jones said.
“Fleet air defence, anti-submarine warfare and logistical support tailored for blue-water operations would be likely vulnerabilities for the PLAN while operating in the South Atlantic. However, these are creases that Beijing is probably trying to iron out.”
China has increasingly stressed the importance of sea power as it continued to flex its military and economic muscles.
In a defence white paper last month, the first released in years, Beijing highlighted the need for “combat readiness and military training in real combat conditions” and its new war-fighting capabilities in the western Pacific and South China Sea.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...g-atlantic-sea-power-says-us-military-analyst
- Report says shift in naval operations reflects growing presence and investment in southern Africa
- Moves could also be part of Beijing’s plans for blue-water force to rival US Navy
The PLAN’s amphibious transport ship Jinggangshan leaves Guangdong for Doraleh in Djibouti. Photo: Xinhua
China is becoming an Atlantic naval power, venturing into the ocean’s southern waters as it steps up investment in the region and counters perceived threats from the United States, according to a report in a security journal.
The assessment, written by Ryan Martinson, an assistant professor at the US Naval War College in Rhode Island, said that in the last five years China’s presence outside of Asia had expanded from anti-piracy operations and port visits to training and setting up a military port at Doraleh in Djibouti on the Horn of Africa, close to the Gulf of Aden, Red Sea and Persian Gulf.
“Once limited to port visits and largely symbolic joint exercises, PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] activities in the South Atlantic now include independent operations and training,” Martinson said in the report, published on Monday in the journal of the Royal United Services Institute, a British military think tank.
“It has also shown early efforts to develop mastery of the ocean battlespace environment in key areas of the South Atlantic.”
It said the Chinese naval presence had become more sophisticated, with longer missions. In one case, a PLAN task force spent 24 days in the Atlantic before putting in at Cape Town, South Africa, in August 2017. In another, a PLAN task force spent 13 days sailing from Douala port in Cameroon to Cape Town, longer than a typical voyage.
In these instances, Chinese forces were training and doing drills, including staging missile attack simulations, the report said. Research vessels were also part of the operations.
“Much of the data Chinese scientists collect is dual-use and [was] likely [to be] shared with counterparts in the military,” the report said.
After analysing the patterns of PLAN port calls in West Africa, Martinson found Cape Town, on South Africa’s southwest coast, was its favoured stop, with vessels calling there at least six times between June 2014 and June 2018.
The report suggested that the naval activity increased as part of the drive to protect China’s overseas interests.
According to 2017 commerce ministry statistics quoted in the report, of the five African countries with the greatest direct investment from China, four – South Africa, Congo, Nigeria and Angola – faced the South Atlantic.
The Chinese destroyer Guangzhou makes a port call in Djibouti. Photo: Handout.
But the report also said the increased PLAN presence in the South Atlantic could reflect a shift in China’s strategy for handling the great power competition in East Asia.
“Chinese deployment of naval power beyond maritime East Asia likely reflects Beijing’s incorporation of certain elements of an ‘exterior’ strategy into its overall approach for coping with the US threat,” it said.
“By developing robust naval capabilities abroad, the logic goes, China might compel the US to adjust its force posture, shifting air and sea assets away from the western Pacific to account for Chinese threats elsewhere.”
Expansion in the South Atlantic came as China made its larger presence in the Pacific and Indian oceans felt.
The Chinese navy regularised training beyond the first island chain, a barrier of archipelagos separating the China seas from the Pacific, in 2007. It also moved west into the Indian Ocean in late 2008.
Charlie Lyons Jones, a researcher from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s defence and strategy programme, said the Chinese navy’s operations in the South Atlantic indicated that China was trying to gain the experience and ability required for sustaining a blue-water force like the US Navy.
“However, while China has a military base in Djibouti, the PLAN probably lacks the basing infrastructure and logistics enablers needed for successfully operating in the South Atlantic during a high-intensity conflict with a peer-adversary such as the United States Navy,” Jones said.
“Fleet air defence, anti-submarine warfare and logistical support tailored for blue-water operations would be likely vulnerabilities for the PLAN while operating in the South Atlantic. However, these are creases that Beijing is probably trying to iron out.”
China has increasingly stressed the importance of sea power as it continued to flex its military and economic muscles.
In a defence white paper last month, the first released in years, Beijing highlighted the need for “combat readiness and military training in real combat conditions” and its new war-fighting capabilities in the western Pacific and South China Sea.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...g-atlantic-sea-power-says-us-military-analyst
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Sorry have not been up to date with Chinese news recently, but that being said, it isn't a mature system and for all we know there are only a few systems in deployment (if any). And there is also an uncertainty as to number of warheads, could be as little as three.
Also, US and Russian have had MAD status for half a century. It seems Chinese members are eager to be MAD too.
Sorry to disappoint you. It not just a system deploy recently. Conducted more than 10 times of test and every live shooting is tracked by US spy satellite with confirm 100% accuracy and success. It is a highly robust system tested with close possible to real time deployment before admitted into service 2 years ago. It is only reveal recently, doesnt mean its not mature. Chinese military has every high standard which every weapon systems need to go thru rigid repeat testing with most possible scenario given and passed before qualify to enter service. China dont do flag waving just for the sake of show off. The 8 DF-41 ICBM showed are just part of the full pledge unit China currently have. There are more hide in the bunker and ready to be deploy anytime.
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-flights-tests-new-multi-warhead-icbm/
China moved closer to deploying its newest and most lethal strategic weapon by conducting the 10th flight test of the DF-41 intercontinental-range missile last week.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/25/long-range-missile-test-adds-to-growing-chinese-ar/
“The impact zone is similar to those of previous DF-41 trials in December 2016 and November 2017 and January and May of 2018,” he tweeted.
Additionally, China also conducted a flight test a week before the DF-41 test of the DF-31 ICBM, an older and shorter range missile that is part of China’s rapidly expanding nuclear arsenal.
Beating the old drum and keep using data 20 years dont help to real facts in 2020. Keep delude yourself China dont have that capability or hold US throat at the same time.
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STUPID !
It's not easy to destroy satellites in orbit.
China have Gaofen 4 satellites and many others in GEO orbit.
GEO Orbit is very very far away from Earth, it's not LEO orbit.
https://www.popsci.com/gaofen-4-wor...ntinues-chinas-great-leap-forward-into-space/
My advice, Learn your enemy ability before fight with them.
Lucky you are only Low-IQ keyboard warrior.
If you become US admiral, they will lost all aircraft carriers in matter of hours
FYI
Brian Weeden, a former U.S. Air Force space analyst, published a 47-page analysis on the website of The Space Review, which he said showed that China appears to be testing a kinetic interceptor launched by a new rocket that could reach geostationary orbit about 36,000 km (22,500 miles) above the earth.
"If true, this would represent a significant development in China's anti-satellite (ASAT) capabilities," wrote Weeden, now a technical adviser for Secure World Foundation, a Colorado-based nonprofit focused on secure and peaceful uses of outer space.
"No other country has tested a direct ascent ASAT weapon system that has the potential to reach deep space satellites in medium earth orbit, highly elliptical orbit or geostationary orbit," he wrote, referring to orbital paths that are above 2,000 km (1,250 miles) over the earth
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBREA2G1Q320140317
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Don't let U.S. defense industry marketing fool you with fancy acronyms.
The use of tactical data-links (i.e. encrypted, jam-resistant radio communications) to network disparate platforms together have been around for 40 years.
Go ahead and do some research on JTIDS, MIDS, and Link 16.
The first JTIDS communications terminals were large and were installed only on AWACS and warships to provide radar tracking and targeting information to Air Force F-15C and Navy F-14D interceptors.
As technology got better, the MIDS program was created to put small, lightweight Link 16 terminals on U.S. and participating allies’ fighter aircraft.
Today, NIFC-CA seeks to bring even small missiles (like SM-6 and LRASM) into the network along with drones, aircraft, and ships merging vast amounts of information together into one common operating picture.
But make no mistake. It is still just radio communications.
Do you know what else is highly advanced radio communications? Huawei's 5G.
In fact, Huawei's gigabit-level wireless speeds available to civilians make the military Link 16 look antiquated.
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Yes dragon is waking up, no one can deny that. This is an advange and also a disadvantage from my perspective. If all goes as I estimated it might mean several different things for the next 50 years.
1) America in future will spend more energy for the far east if it goes like that therefore regional powers for example Turkey will have more ''space and freedom.'' No more Global Policeman. Without US, Europe is nothing.
2) This trade war was just a warning to china that US is not gonna leave her throne so easly. In future at one point America is gonna has to dominate china. By military power. Otherwise we will see a direct competitor - alternative of US. A real threat to US's world domination. And unlike Soviets, this one has a strong economy. Therefore America can't just wait china to destroy itself. This time, they have to act. Nuclear weapons makes it more complicated. They might try to siege china with more economic sanctions. ''Iran level'' economic sactions with the support of World Community. Would it be enough, who knows?
3) It is bad news for Pakistan. US sees India as a balancing power against china. The more powerful china becomes, US is gonna need India more. I believe in next 30 to 50 years we will see more positive relations between US - India and this is not good news for you guys.
The results, A new cold war is coming. And this time, it is not the rotten Soviets. My personel opinion, let the WW2 repeat itself. When germany challenged the Britain in the end they wounded each other severely. World got rid of both of them. I hope history will repeat itself and china and US will wound or destroy each other.
The worst possibility is, this also might mean the end of the world, because of Nuclear weapons. But again, after Humanity got this destructive power after 1945's... It was always a matter of time.
1) America in future will spend more energy for the far east if it goes like that therefore regional powers for example Turkey will have more ''space and freedom.'' No more Global Policeman. Without US, Europe is nothing.
2) This trade war was just a warning to china that US is not gonna leave her throne so easly. In future at one point America is gonna has to dominate china. By military power. Otherwise we will see a direct competitor - alternative of US. A real threat to US's world domination. And unlike Soviets, this one has a strong economy. Therefore America can't just wait china to destroy itself. This time, they have to act. Nuclear weapons makes it more complicated. They might try to siege china with more economic sanctions. ''Iran level'' economic sactions with the support of World Community. Would it be enough, who knows?
3) It is bad news for Pakistan. US sees India as a balancing power against china. The more powerful china becomes, US is gonna need India more. I believe in next 30 to 50 years we will see more positive relations between US - India and this is not good news for you guys.
The results, A new cold war is coming. And this time, it is not the rotten Soviets. My personel opinion, let the WW2 repeat itself. When germany challenged the Britain in the end they wounded each other severely. World got rid of both of them. I hope history will repeat itself and china and US will wound or destroy each other.
The worst possibility is, this also might mean the end of the world, because of Nuclear weapons. But again, after Humanity got this destructive power after 1945's... It was always a matter of time.
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