Sky is the limit in India-Japan relationship: Shinzo Abe's advisor

[UKBengali]

Nope, wrong point. India cannot be pressurised by Chinese firepower when the bases in Andaman pretty much allows India unlimited firepower. No CBG of China will ever match that. India can bring in plenty of firepower on to those bases from the mainland, nothing stopping us. India will always dominate the IOR, geography pretty much guarantees that.

Indian Ocean is massive - many thousands of kms.

India can control portions up to say 500KM out but not beyond.

Anyway, who is talking about a confrontation or conflict. I was making the point that apart from the US, the Chinese are likely to soon start sending CBGs into the Indian Ocean that would be comparable in firepower to Indian Navy

1. to sucsessfully control IOR as you call itchinese first have to neutralise Indian navy and i guess you have no idea what your talking about but every one has a right to dream so you can dream too

Nothing further to say after this comment.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Genius, would you like to tell us about the SSN that India is currently constructing?

India needs many large aircraft carriers and SSNs to have any chance of controlling Indian Ocean. As far as I am aware India will only construct a medium-to-large aircraft carrier of 65-70,000 tonnes next decade and the rest will be only 40,000 tonne.

Obviously, More A/C will enter service as economy grows, we won't order 3-4 in a line and then repent later, Look at IN ship design, it changes after4-5 ships get inducted

Two Indian CBGs will only carry as much aircraft as one Chinese CBG - China will build much larger CBGs than Indian can afford and is planning to. Past 2030, we cannot speculate as that is too far into the future.

Question is about reach, firstly 3 A/c's will protect india east , west and south ... hence the limited capacity makes sense. When the need to navigate water beyond Indian ocean arise, more A/C's will be inducted

Again, where is the Indian SSN that would be required? A CBG needs SSNs to both protect it and attack the enemy ships. India has zero experience of SSNs as of now and unless Russia gives it to you, you are stuffed!

Miniaturizing of nuclear powerplant has been going on since a while now, India has till now not disclosed any concept of Indian SSN, but a submarine twice the Size of Arihant class has been approved by govt of India in mid of 2008, SSBN S-5.

 

[Tshering22]

GUYS, we were discussing India-Japan relations potential!

NOT our naval capabilities as some burnt-a$$ clowns living off welfare in other countries are commenting.

Back to the topic.

 

[SAMEET]

Excuse me, India does not "manage" the Indian Ocean.

The US Navy could pulverize your whole Navy at any time just by using one of their 11 CBGs.

Both Pakistan and BD are building up their Navies so you will have more competition in the future.

you can warn india and say this and that as being frustrated being but you need to know that if you are living in UK you should think British soldier and its citizen but they say in India jis thali me khate hai tum uss thali me chet karte ho !

 

[Bang Galore]

Indian Ocean is massive - many thousands of kms.

India can control portions up to say 500KM out but not beyond.

Anyway, who is talking about a confrontation or conflict. I was making the point that apart from the US, the Chinese are likely to soon start sending CBGs into the Indian Ocean that would be comparable in firepower to Indian Navy

No CBG will ever be comparable to the strength of the whole of the Indian navy, that position is silly. When anyone says about controlling the IOR region, they are not talking about the coast of Australia for instance. However from the malacca strait westward , there is pretty much going to be no Asian challenger to equal Indian forces.Anyone pretending otherwise is being more than a little disingenuous.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Next decade Chinese Navy will be making its presence felt in Indian Ocean with its CBGs that are being built at this very moment.

India will never be allowed to have any control of Indian Ocean so stop your wet dreams.

Absurd, the Chinese have very little blue water navy capabilities and lack the ability to project their power beyond their own waters. By the time the PLAN are in a position to send CBGs into the IOR the IN will easily be able to deny them access. The Indian navy is the net security provider in the IOR and this will only grow in the future.

As it is the Indians and Chinese have an unspoken agreement that if the IN stays out of the SCS the PLAN will stay out go the IOR.

 

[UKBengali]

No CBG will ever be comparable to the strength of the whole of the Indian navy, that position is silly. When anyone says about controlling the IOR region, they are not talking about the coast of Australia for instance. However from the malacca strait westward , there is pretty much going to be no Asian challenger to equal Indian forces.Anyone pretending otherwise is being more than a little disingenuous.

2 100,000 tonne aircraft carriers with their escorts will be able to match whole Indian Navy towards the latter part of next decade.

China has both the capability and intent to do this. If India tries to interfere with normal trade and business in the Indian Ocean, they will face the wrath not only of US but also Chinese Navies as well.

As long as India knows its place then no problem but expect Chinese CBGs as powerful as the current US ones to make regular patrols in IOR sometime next decade - probable the latter part.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Indians should not forget that their major handicap in trying to dominate the Indian Ocean is their completely lack of experience in SSN technology. Chinese may not be the best yet but they are current trialling their 3rd generation of SSN technology in the Type-095.

And what about China's lack of experience operating CBGs?

 

[UKBengali]

As it is the Indians and Chinese have an unspoken agreement that if the IN stays out of the SCS the PLAN will stay out go the IOR.

This is an Indian wish rather than reality.

Why do Indians not understand that China is FIVE times richer than them and so China can come to their
region and not the other way round!

 

[Abingdonboy]

2 100,000 tonne aircraft carriers with their escorts will be able to match whole Indian Navy towards the latter part of next decade.

And the Indian Navy will stand still? By the end of the next decade the IN will have 4-5 CBGs with at least 2-3 of the ACCs being 65,000+ tonnes and operating 5th gen fighters.

The IN will dominate the IOR from the middle of the next decade onwards. Whilst the USN as a whole would be able to give a fight to the IN like any other navy on earth they won't be present in the IOR in huge force.

 

[UKBengali]

And what about China's lack of experience operating CBGs?

They have another decade to learn this using the Varyag now. Chinese CBGs will not venture into IOR for another decade.

India has zero SSN building experience and anything it does produce will be decades behind the Chinese unless Russia sells you SSNs.

 

[Abingdonboy]

This is an Indian wish rather than reality.

Why do Indians not understand that China is FIVE times richer than them and so China can come to their
region and not the other way round!

And you think this gap will remain constant? In the next 3-4 decades this gap is going to significantly reduce and the difference will be negligible after some point.

India has zero SSN building experience and anything it does produce will be decades behind the Chinese unless Russia sells you SSNs.

India has the advantage that other nations that are world leaders in SSN tech would be willing to assist India where India needs assistance. India has built a SSBN so the step to building a SSN is perfectly doable.

China, on the other hand, will have to learn the hard way how to operate/build ACCs.

 

[Bang Galore]

2 100,000 tonne aircraft carriers with their escorts will be able to match whole Indian Navy towards the latter part of next decade.

China has both the capability and intent to do this. If India tries to interfere with normal trade and business in the Indian Ocean, they will face the wrath not only of US but also Chinese Navies as well.

As long as India knows its place then no problem but expect Chinese CBGs as powerful as the current US ones to make regular patrols in IOR sometime next decade - probable the latter part.

Yawn, same old, same old. Go frighten someone else with your ghost stories, this is getting boring.

 

[UKBengali]

And the Indian Navy will stand still? By the end of the next decade the IN will have 4-5 CBGs with at least 2-3 of the ACCs being 65,000+ tonnes and operating 5th gen fighters.

The IN will dominate the IOR from the middle of the next decade onwards. Whilst the USN as a whole would be able to give a fight to the IN like any other navy on earth they won't be present in the IOR in huge force.

Let us stick with India can afford and what it is planning to build.

By middle of next decade we are looking at 2 40,000 tonne carriers and 1 65,000 tonne carrier. Now only 2 of these can only be relied to be available at any one time. A single 100,000 tonne carrier will be a little more powerful than the two India can put out to sea at any one time.

Indian Navy will have no chance of dominating either US or Chinese in IOR next decade.

Yawn, same old, same old. Go frighten someone else with your ghost stories, this is getting boring.

Yes as your dreams have been shattered now.

Unless India gets its economy right and can produce weapons itself it will keep fantasing about controlling the IOR.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Let us stick with India can afford and what it is planning to build.

By middle of next decade we are looking at 2 40,000 tonne carriers and 1 65,000 tonne carrier. Now only 2 of these can only be relied to be available at any one time. A single 100,000 tonne carrier will be a little more powerful than the two India can put out to sea at any one time.

Indian Navy will have no chance of dominating either US or Chinese in IOR next decade.

You think that ACCs are the only things that matter? No navy can walk into India's backyard (the IOR) and think they can dominate the IN. The IN will inherently have home advantage- closer airbases (this would bring the IAF into play also) and even with 4 100,000 ton ACCs the PLAN couldn't take on the entire IN in the IOR.