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Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later


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WEIHAI, China —

When China and Japan went to war on the first day of August 120 years ago, Beijing suffered a “national humiliation” that resonates to this day as tensions between the Asian rivals intensify again.

Unlike most defeated nations, China marks the anniversaries of its losses with fervor, as the ruling Communist Party—which espouses nationalism in its claim to a right to rule—reinforces a narrative of historical victimisation.

Years in the making, the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-5 was fought for control of Korea, which at the time paid formal tribute to China’s Qing emperors but was increasingly coveted by Tokyo, whose ambition was to emulate the empires of the Western powers.

The shooting began with a naval clash off Korea’s west coast in late July, a week before war was formally declared on August 1, 1894.

Less than nine months later, Japan had destroyed the Qing Beiyang fleet, routed Beijing’s troops in Korea and China, and secured an overwhelming victory. Tokyo seized strategic territory, including Taiwan, and sowed the seeds of a maritime dispute that endures into the 21st century.

On Liugong island, a hilly anchorage off the eastern city of Weihai and the former home of the Beiyang fleet, the pictures, documents and weapons in a museum dedicated to the conflict blame not only Japan’s “war of aggression” but also China’s weakness, corruption and backwardness at the time.

“The humiliating defeat… proved that underdevelopment can cause defeat,” reads one display.

On a promenade in Weihai, across the Yellow Sea from the Korean peninsula—still a geopolitical hotspot today—local resident Liang Kongteng said: “The Japanese came to China and they killed many people. As a country we have to be strong.”

The war heralded the looming end of China’s centuries of imperial rule, and once-isolated Japan’s rise as a global power.

A decade later Japan stunned the world by defeating Russia, before colonising Korea and later establishing a puppet state in Manchuria, setting the stage for its full invasion of China in 1937 in the lead-up to World War II.

“The war overturned the traditional balance of power in Asia, when Japan unseated China as the dominant power,” said SCM Paine, professor of strategy and policy at the US Naval War College, who wrote a book on the 1894-5 conflict.

“Ever since China has been trying to restore its former position of preeminence,” Paine said, stressing her views do not represent those of her institution or the US government.

“That preeminence was not only military but also economic, diplomatic, technological, and cultural.”

For China, the long ago war may as well have been yesterday.

The anniversary has been frequent fodder for the country’s state-controlled newspapers, magazines and television.

In an editorial last week, the state-run China Daily newspaper said the defeat by China’s “worst enemy in history” still forms “an open wound in (the) Chinese national psyche”.

The conflict’s clearest legacy today is a bitter dispute over small, uninhabited islands near Taiwan called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

Tokyo took control of the islands in January 1895, when it says they were unoccupied. Beijing counters they have always been its “inherent” territory, and will not give up its claim.

Now the two sides, both with increasing military ambitions and capabilities, warily eye each other’s ships and aircraft in the area, leading to fears of possible conflict as Washington, Tokyo’s defense ally, watches carefully.

Japan is a liberal democracy with a free media, but the China Daily claimed that under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe it is “strikingly similar” to the country that went to war in 1894.

“International concerns about the likelihood of history repeating itself in Northeast Asia are not groundless,” it said.

In Japan, remembrance of the war is less intensely political, but can be tinged with nostalgia for a time of military heroes, and even a sense of high-mindedness that Chinese and Koreans find offensive.

“I think for Japan the Sino-Japanese War was a ‘war of ideals’,” historical novelist Fuyuji Domon wrote in Rekishi Kaido, a popular history magazine.

Japan was standing up against Western encroachments in Asia, and seeking to secure Korea’s independence from China and Russia, he suggested.

“Thus, war between Japan, which wanted to secure Korea’s independence, and the Qing, which wanted it to remain subordinate, became unavoidable.”

One section of the museum on Liugong is titled in English as “Japan’s Desire of Controlling China”, but at the exit visitors are treated to a reassuring array of video images of China’s modern naval and air power, driving home a message of security, if not invincibility.

The concept resonates with visitors.

“I believe China has now become strong and I feel we Chinese can really face up to history,” said schoolboy Yang Shunfeng, 16.

“Now we can defend our sovereignty and won’t bow our heads to the Japanese like before.”


Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
 
You can easily see the Chinese here display their hatred and vengeance and demand the world to respect them. After century of suffer from humiliation.

They Chinese just make thing worst. they became laughing stock for the west with made in China, and neighbors stay away from them see them not friendly Chinese.
 
You can easily see the Chinese here display their hatred and vengeance and demand the world to respect them. After century of suffer from humiliation.

They Chinese just make thing worst. they became laughing stock for the west with made in China, and neighbors stay away from them see them not friendly Chinese.

Indeed. Their defeat to Japan was a national travesty. Saddening to hear that the CCP still fuels hatred for Japan based on the 1st Sino Japanese War.
 
Indeed. Their defeat to Japan was a national travesty. Saddening to hear that the CCP still fuels hatred for Japan based on the 1st Sino Japanese War.

You want to blame crop circles on CCP as well? I'm sure I saw Xi in England's fields suspiciously at night.

You can say whatever you want about CCP, but to put this on them is just diverting the issue.


Japan is not without fault, and it is the majority of the fault, while the atrocities I attribute to the inability of the government, we can't make threats like US can, all Sino Japanese wars are initiated by Japan, except the Mongol one.

Today you turn around and say CCP fueled hate.

Even if that were true, you still did it.



I don't like to go over this topic again, but you keep bring it up. What exactly do you want to say here, that we are petty, something like that.

Your anti China protests at least suggest that Japanese are the same way, since all we did is fly some planes, we didn't create unit 731, kill millions or pillage the country.
 
What are you going to do China? Suck on it. Your worse days are still to come for the crimes you commited and aggresion you show to your neighbors. One would say they would be accomodating to avoid another humiliation but they seem to repeat history.

They should be kissing the hands of US a hunderd times for they have saved their skin in WW2. But unfortunately as ungrateful they are, they even bark at US and don't show a glance of thankfulness to their savours.

US has created a monster the region has to deal with now.
 
I can care less about Qing's defeat. Without Qing's numerous failures, we might still be under Manchu ruling. lol They are essentially barbarians that banned all firearms that were already invented in Ming.

Also it's rather stupid to assume that it's the government that is fueling nationalism and its legitimacy is based on nationalism, lol. If that's true, I wonder which country's government is not nationalistic? In fact, the CCP has been too internationalist(ic) and helps other nations too much. Trust me, the Chinese citizens are much more nationalistic than the government.

I don't know why scholars can just write so called expertly commentary where an ordinary person like me cannot even find any good juice. Did they even talk to people or even google online comments? lol


"Japan was standing up against Western encroachments in Asia, and seeking to secure Korea’s independence from China and Russia, he suggested." lol You mean like Japan secured Ryukyu's independence from China by total absorption and assimilation? lol Ryukyu and Korea were at least independent states with their own kings, they just paid tributes to China as ancient customs.

If Japan is still repeating this militant narrative to justify its past aggression, I do see Japan hasn't changed much. Not gonna comment further on this piece of garbage.

Source: Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later
 
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You want to blame crop circles on CCP as well? I'm sure I saw Xi in England's fields suspiciously at night.
Don't be silly.


You can say whatever you want about CCP, but to put this on them is just diverting the issue.
We are not diverting the issue, we are addressing this directly with partners in lieu within the discussion. The one country who is being contradictory is China, i mean, the old adage comes to mind, "actions speak a thousand words."

China consistently and repetitively voices its position in the need to have communication and to cease acts that further destabilize the region. Well, to us, your side building structures is contradictory. And to reiterate the adage I shared with you earlier, the action China is doing -- is antithetical to what she's saying.


Japan is not without fault, and it is the majority of the fault, while the atrocities I attribute to the inability of the government, we can't make threats like US can, all Sino Japanese wars are initiated by Japan, except the Mongol one.

LOL. We are living in the 21st century. It is 2014. Why are you referring to the Sino Japanese Wars, which started over 120 years ago. I mean, seriously, you even dare to mention Mongolia and the Mongols? Where does that even have basis in the subject matter we're talking about? :lol:



Today you turn around and say CCP fueled hate.
Of course it does. I mean, publicizing old war crimes ? What is the point of that , there are people dying around China now. The deaths in Xinjiang, in Tibet etc. Are they publicized to the level that Xinhua publicizes old war crimes committed by dead Imperial soldiers? Please.
 
What are you going to do China? Suck on it. Your worse days are still to come for the crimes you commited and aggresion you show to your neighbors. One would say they would be accomodating to avoid another humiliation but they seem to repeat history.

They should be kissing the hands of US a hunderd times for they have saved their skin in WW2. But unfortunately as ungrateful they are, they even bark at US and don't show a glance of thankfulness to their savours.

US has created a monster the region has to deal with now.
If it weren't for oil and steel import from US, Japan wouldn't even have the ability to start the second Sino-Japan war. US made money from the war.

When US got attack by Japan's fleet, they needed China to trap 1 million Japanese soldiers in China. Shouldn't say we got one-sided help from US.
 
We are not diverting the issue, we are addressing this directly with partners in lieu within the discussion. The one country who is being contradictory is China, i mean, the old adage comes to mind, "actions speak a thousand words."

China consistently and repetitively voices its position in the need to have communication and to cease acts that further destabilize the region. Well, to us, your side building structures is contradictory. And to reiterate the adage I shared with you earlier, the action China is doing -- is antithetical to what she's saying.

That's very subjective, you said CCP is responsible, how is that not diverting the conversation, so if CCP didn't exist, Sino Japanese war would matter next to none?

Abe said you wanted to talk then names 5 island, if we are hypocritical, well welcome to the club.


LOL. We are living in the 21st century. It is 2014. Why are you referring to the Sino Japanese Wars, which started over 120 years ago. I mean, seriously, you even dare to mention Mongolia and the Mongols? Where does that even have basis in the subject matter we're talking about? :lol:

The subject is Sino Japanese war still stings, which you posted, you tell me why it still matters. :coffee:



Of course it does. I mean, publicizing old war crimes ? What is the point of that , there are people dying around China now. The deaths in Xinjiang, in Tibet etc. Are they publicized to the level that Xinhua publicizes old war crimes committed by dead Imperial soldiers? Please.

Israel still has information and memorials for Holocaust, maybe you like to mention why they don't like to talk about Gaza deaths, and why they are wrong in talking about the Holocaust.

Two wrongs don't make a right, we can look past it, and we certainly has, trade between Japan and China is huge, if that's not going past it I don't know what is.


Funny, you stopped your response where you did.



I blocked Atawolf's posts, but I checked what he said, the fact you thumbs up his posts shows exactly where your feelings are. You may try to sound like a moderate, but please, you think today's my first time talking to people. I been dealing with people as the primary means of my spending money since I was 16.
 
Japan was standing up against Western encroachments in Asia, and seeking to secure Korea’s independence from China and Russia, he suggested.
And what did happened? Japan effectively annexed Korea in 1910. This Japanese guys think the world is stupid or something?

Yes, Chinese remember and learn the lessons of history.

Millions die in WWII. But millions more that remains scarified and dedicated their life to make China what it is today.

革命尚未成功,同志仍需努力。
(Revolution has not yet complete, comrades have work to do.)

Xi proposed the China Dream to encapsulate the aspiration of the Chinese people for the last hundred year.

And remembering history has been and is a prime motivation force in achieving the China Dream and realizing our full potential.

“The humiliating defeat… proved that underdevelopment can cause defeat,” reads one display.
That is why we have to make sure that it would never happen again.

We owed it to those millions.
 
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Konnichiwa Genkaysis-San,



Don't be silly.



We are not diverting the issue, we are addressing this directly with partners in lieu within the discussion. The one country who is being contradictory is China, i mean, the old adage comes to mind, "actions speak a thousand words."

China consistently and repetitively voices its position in the need to have communication and to cease acts that further destabilize the region. Well, to us, your side building structures is contradictory. And to reiterate the adage I shared with you earlier, the action China is doing -- is antithetical to what she's saying.




LOL. We are living in the 21st century. It is 2014. Why are you referring to the Sino Japanese Wars, which started over 120 years ago. I mean, seriously, you even dare to mention Mongolia and the Mongols? Where does that even have basis in the subject matter we're talking about? :lol:




Of course it does. I mean, publicizing old war crimes ? What is the point of that , there are people dying around China now. The deaths in Xinjiang, in Tibet etc. Are they publicized to the level that Xinhua publicizes old war crimes committed by dead Imperial soldiers? Please.

I have been trying to search on Xinhua's website and cannot even find any piece, even tiny mention of this war, please, do you just make comments based on imagination and prejudice?

新华网_传播中国 报道世界 Well please do tell me where Xinhua even talked about his war.

You know, people really should at least google before making comments on things they are not sure about. Good habit! Even though googled information might not be accurate but at least you tried.
 

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