Sino Indian Border

[Song Hong]

I start this thread to discuss Sino Indian border. We start from the west and move east.

For Sino Indian border, China generally uses the watershed principles. Hence, most of her proposal see border drawing on mountain ridges.

For India, she has no principles. She proposes any fantasy or whimsical idea, even if it is a cartological error or cartological imperialism.

The first stretch of Sino Indian border dispute has nothing to do with India in reality. Pakistan negotiated a fair settlement based on the ridges and watershed of Karakorum ranges, dividing up K2.

But India claims Pakistani Kashmir. She proposes she owns the whole Karakorum, regardless of watershed.

 

[ozranger]

Generally speaking India's top ruling class always thinks they should inherit all Colonist British occupied lands and they can exercise the same power as that of the past British Empire.

Constant border tension with neighbouring countries and even land grabbing invasion is also deep in their mindset a perfect measure to promote its internal unity, even though some of the lands on high altitude, incredibly cold and short of oxygen plateau have completely no strategic and economic values, and sending military up there is extremely costly in terms of life loss due to inhumane deployment environment.

India's ruling class has extraordinary greed when trying to maintain their regime forever.

 

[S10]

The real question is whether it is worth the effort, lives and resources to fight a major war over a few dozen square kilometers in the middle of the Himalayas. India is China's sixth largest trading partner, and will probably be top three in a decade. If not, then we're going to have these minor skirmishes every few years as a norm. I don't see either side making any major concessions.

Just saw Vietnam is the fifth largest trading partner. They're moving up pretty quickly.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Chinese border. That they claim 中国故士

 

[Figaro]

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Chinese border. That they claim

This is the Qing border ...

 

[zhxy]

SUN TZU
"There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare"​

The real question is whether it is worth the effort, lives and resources to fight a major war over a few dozen square kilometers in the middle of the Himalayas. India is China's sixth largest trading partner, and will probably be top three in a decade. If not, then we're going to have these minor skirmishes every few years as a norm. I don't see either side making any major concessions.

 

[Globenim]

Generally speaking the top India's ruling class always thinks they should inherit all Colonist British occupied lands

The claim not just "occupied" land .They tend to claim just about every arbitrary but convenient claim someone had drawn on a map without ever going near that place, neither the colonial era claimant nor themself.

 

[Song Hong]

Lets take a look at the sector India claims on "behalf of Pakistan" against China.

Pakistan and China settle the border based mostly on watershed, and historical reference. Hence the China Pak borders runs along the highest mountain ridges and peaks, such as K2, Gasherbrum 1..etc.

Pakistan and China pragmatically aware that they are unable to project themselves beyond the ridges, and are proscribed much by mountain passes.

Meanwhile India just draw border wantonly.

And why is there no border conflict in this sector? The reason is Indians are not able to bring her army across ridges of 6000-7000 m, after the terrible Siachen.

Moreover, near this border the issue of Karakorum pass has long been settled that it belongs to China, with British.

But that does not prevent Indians from claiming based on their fantasy.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

The real question is whether it is worth the effort, lives and resources to fight a major war over a few dozen square kilometers in the middle of the Himalayas. India is China's sixth largest trading partner, and will probably be top three in a decade. If not, then we're going to have these minor skirmishes every few years as a norm. I don't see either side making any major concessions.

Just saw Vietnam is the fifth largest trading partner. They're moving up pretty quickly.

You are holding the stick at the wrong end.

The question is NOT about few square Km of mountainous land.

It is about the design of US + India + Europe + Israel to limit the rise of China. Think why such a large US battle group is stationed in South China Sea.

It is Chinese OBOR project.

It is about cutting of CPEC.

It is about controlling Chinese economy (link it with what happened in Hong Kong).

If China is effectively countered, it wont matter if the trading partner is number 1 or number 9

 

[Song Hong]

The next sector is around Karakoram pass. This sector has no dispute as British agree Karakoram pass belongs to China.

The Karakoram is the shortest and easiest way from Kashmir to Central Asia. Since it is control by China, it would be difficult for Indians to create trouble at this sector.

Near Karakoram pass is the Siache Glacier. It was understood that Siachen would serve as demarcation for Indo-Pak LAC. Unfortunately Indians took everything herself.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

scores ( numbers unconfirmed ) of Indian troops beaten to death.

point to ponder is that Chinese have only punched , clubbed and kicked the Indians

wonder how many they will kill once they start using firearms.

 

[Song Hong]

The next sector is Aksai Chin, at the Daulat Beg Oldi. The 2013 Daulat Beg Oldi incident occurred here.

Immediately to the North of this sector is Karakoram pass. On the west, it is the Shyok river. West of Shyok river is Karakoram range.

This sector is one of the worst place for Indian Army to provoke the Chinese. Indians supply needs to goes to numerous choke point. While on China side it is more motorizable.

In 1962, China could have driven Indians out from here. Then Karakoram range will demarcate Sino Indian border. And Chinese will not have a Aksai Chin problem.

It was not done because China during Qing Dynasty established a marker at Karakoram pass and not further South.

China is non imperialistic. So China did not took the land in 1962.

 

[Song Hong]

We talk about Aksai Chin. For most of her time, British proposed the McCartney MacDonald Line unilaterally. There is another demarcation called the Johnson Line, which for most of the time, was deemed excessive by British.

On the North of Johnson Line, the Kunlun Mountain of China is used as the border line.

British had nothing to support her claims. All her claims are based on imperialism, gangsterism and robberism. Whatever she liked, she just drew a map and say this belongs to British.

After independence, India stake her claim of entire Aksai Chin based on Johnson Line -- more outrageous than British.

 

[Microsoft]

SUN TZU
"There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare"​

Explain the US

 

[Song Hong]

We talk about how British and India suddenly came out with idea to claim Tibet.

This was the outcome of Kashmiri General Zorawar Singh Kahluria, conquest of West Tibet, now Ladakh and Leh in 1834, making it a vassal state, instead of direct rule.

This was already much later than Tibet as a Qing military protectorate since 1720. China's hold on Tibet was earlier than US independence.

So Ladakh and Leh could have belong to China.

In fact, British or Indian's hold on Karakoram and Himalaya regions came far later, and far less centralized than China's suzerainty of Tibet.