Singapore urges US to accept China's rise, spare other nations

[055_destroyer]

Everybody knows and accept that Saudis are the worst kind... It would be a dream come true for Chinese if Saudi sits on their lap.

Then why did you question China human right when US bragging themselves as champion of human right is the biggest supporter of a regime like Saudi.

Same as Iran Shah regime(1979) supported by US. Aren't you contradicting yourself? China human right is far better than US. Becos it is consistent unlike US who can tell you he can provide you freedom but next moment, he is going to oppress your right. The worst human to trust is a double headed snake. And China is definitely not one.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Saudi's could say they founded Earth while flying around in a spaceship doesn't make it true.

That's why I see all of you knuckle under the Saudis. LOL

So you're amazed to find a Pakistani with differing opinions. Using broad brushes to generalize a whole nation mate; that's entirely without merit. I assure you we do have educated thinkers in our country.

I said Pakistanis and non-Arab Muslims. That's more than one, in fact, there are millions of them. LOL

The more I debate with Muslims, the more I understand why not one Muslim country managed to build up ONE top 100 university.

 

[TopCat]

Then why did you question China human right when US bragging themselves as champion of human right is the biggest supporter of a regime like Saudi.

Same as Iran Shah regime(1979) supported by US. Aren't you contradicting yourself? China human right is far better than US. Becos it is consistent unlike US who can tell you he can provide you freedom but next moment, he is going to oppress your right. The worst human to trust is a double headed snake. And China is definitely not one.

At least USA accept their shortcomings and designate KSA as one of the worst kind.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

At least USA accept their shortcomings and designate KSA as one of the worst kind.

ORly?

Remember! Not ONE top 100 university in Muslim countries.

 

[055_destroyer]

At least USA accept their shortcomings and designate KSA as one of the worst kind.

LOL. You are delusional. US never accept their shortcoming. They still claim they are champion of human right.
US never designate KSA as evil. Its US media but their US federal but nothing for praise of KSA.

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You are full of contradicting your finding. You just to want to find fault with China and lick US boots. You too are nothing.

 

[Han Patriot]

US has got selective democracy and freedom. Arabs bribed the US good, murder human rights violations, who cares. As long as you serve US interest, you can shove democracy up their ***.

 

[Enigma SIG]

That's why I see all of you knuckle under the Saudis. LOL

You're preaching to the choir mate. Muslims are a diverse group; read more into it.

I said Pakistanis and non-Arab Muslims. That's more than one, in fact, there are millions of them. LOL

That is to be expected with high fertility rates. Not our fault that the west indulges in practices that severely impacts their reproduction rates; you won't find me complaining though.

The more I debate with Muslims, the more I understand why not one Muslim country managed to build up ONE top 100 university.

As opposed to? The west is thriving on immigrants; majority of them muslims. You're just cherry picking.

 

[Viet]

That is very STUPID by Singapore to make such comment. I had expected Singapore could be more balanced but it turns out she acts as if there are only two countries: US and China. Other nations’ interests seem irrelevant.

In doing so, Singapore is disqualified itself as mediator in ASEAN.

 

[Mista]

That is very STUPID by Singapore to make such comment. I had expected Singapore could be more balanced but it turns out she acts as if there are only two countries: US and China. Other nations’ interests seem irrelevant.

In doing so, Singapore is disqualified itself as mediator in ASEAN.

What? We are neutral. In fact we supported ASEAN in the international tribunal ruling on the SCS.

 

[Viva_Viet]

That is very STUPID by Singapore to make such comment. I had expected Singapore could be more balanced but it turns out she acts as if there are only two countries: US and China. Other nations’ interests seem irrelevant.

In doing so, Singapore is disqualified itself as mediator in ASEAN.

U know, I always say that when CN collapse, then thats the END to Cnese in ASEAN , they will have same fate wt Cnese-Camb (Pol Pot), Cnese-Laos and Cnese-VN

Thats why Cnese in Sing desperately hope CN will not collapse, Cnese-Sing leaders seriously worry that they will have same fate wt Pol Pot

If Deng didnt get support from daddy US to stop VN expansion in 1979, then VN would not only control Laos-Camb but would control sub Mekong region plus Malacca like I always say

 

[Viet]

What? We are neutral. In fact we supported ASEAN in the international tribunal ruling on the SCS.

How can you support ASEAN in the ruling when such thing does not exist?
It is only the Philippines, backed by Vietnam, that brought China to the court!

China becomes arrogant because they have more money more weapons more people.

It’s better for Singapore to stay neutral than playing the role of a cheap megaphone.

Not good for the image of Singapore in Vietnam

 

[Mista]

It’s better for Singapore to stay neutral

How are we not neutral in this case? We are always for free trade because it isn't a zero-sum game. We supported TPP and America's engagement in the region as well, so we are anti-China?

In his eulogy for Lee Kuan Yew, the founder of modern Singapore, who died on March 23, President Obama said that Lee was "hugely important in helping me reformulate our policy of rebalancing to the Asia Pacific." That was no exaggeration, as I can attest from personal experience. Lee in essence persuaded the President to reverse his initial policy of resisting trade agreements by entering into negotiations for a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which is on its way to becoming the largest trade agreement in history, with major foreign policy and indeed national security as well as economic benefits for both the United States and most of Asia. I doubt that anyone else on the face of the planet could have achieved that outcome.

Lee's effort at persuasion was set in motion at the first event during his visit to Washington in October 2009, which was a small lunch hosted by David Rubenstein, cofounder and managing director of the Carlyle Group. As several of us listened, Lee described his plan to politely advise President Obama on the following day that the United States would have to take new economic initiatives in Asia or "cede the region to China." The problem was that the new President had taken no trade initiatives at all up to that time, and he fervently wanted to avoid those issues because they were so politically divisive (especially within his own party and constituencies, as we are now seeing so clearly). I urged the Prime Minister to be forceful rather than polite and leave no doubt about the alternatives facing the United States.

The next day, Lee did so and was hugely successful. Lawrence Summers, then the chief economic adviser in the White House, called immediately after the meeting to ask us to host a dinner for him at the Peterson Institute on the following day to discuss what a new US strategy could comprise. Our recommendation was to rejoin and thus relaunch the negotiations for a Trans-Pacific Partnership. The President announced his decision to do so in Tokyo, on the first stop of his first trip to Asia, a couple of weeks later.

The TPP will in fact be the culmination of a dream that Lee had nourished for almost 20 years. I first sought the counsel of the Senior Minister (as he was then called after stepping down as prime minister in 1990) during my initial trip to Singapore in early 1993 for the founding meeting of the Eminent Persons Group (EPG) created by the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum to recommend an action program for that new organization (created in 1989). We immediately agreed that the ultimate goal should be free trade in the entire Asia Pacific region, and the former Prime Minister, unknown to me, decided to promote that idea by instructing his people to make sure that I became chairman of the new EPG; I was deeply honored to acquire such an esteemed campaign manager! Our group did indeed make such a recommendation, and the APEC member economies adopted it at their first two annual summits (which our EPG also proposed) in Seattle that fall and in Indonesia a year later. Today's TPP is the lineal descendant of the strategy inspired by the former Prime Minister almost a quarter century ago in pursuit of his bedrock long-term goal of maintaining an active US presence in Asia to balance the rise of China.

https://piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/reflections-lee-kuan-yew

 

[fitpOsitive]

Singapore urges US to accept China's rise, spare other nations
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A Chinese paramilitary policeman stands guard on Tiananmen Square near the Great Hall of the People. (PHOTO: AP Photo/Ng Han Guan)
By Glen Carey and Philip J. Heijmans

(Bloomberg) -- Singapore urged the U.S. to allow China to have a greater say in shaping global rules to avoid a prolonged clash that could force smaller countries to choose between the world’s biggest economies.

Speaking to an audience in Washington on Wednesday, Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan said it won’t work to view China as an adversary that must be contained and called for “constructive competition” between the superpowers. A world that splits into rival blocs would jeopardize gains made under the U.S.-led world order over the past 70 years, he said.

“My appeal to the United States is to double down, reap the rewards together,” Balakrishnan said at an event hosted by the Center for International and Strategic Studies.

“Singapore wants both a sustained U.S. presence, which we believe is positive, and we also want China to be able to assume its rightful place as it develops and becomes a superpower in its own right,’’ he said.

China is highly unlikely to undermine the U.S.-led global system given it has been one of its biggest beneficiaries, Balakrishnan said. However, he added, it’s “an entirely legitimate expectation on the part of China” to have the right to revise global rules since it didn’t have a say when they were first written decades ago.

Failure to strike a deal will disproportionately impact trade-reliant countries like Singapore, he said, adding that protracted talks have already created "great uncertainty and volatility for the markets."

“For us in the middle, especially for small countries, we do not wish to be forced into making invidious choices,” Balakrishnan said. “So we hope that both sides will work out a strategic response and take into account China’s increasing influence and weight in the international arena, and that both sides will find a way to accommodate each others’ legitimate interests.”

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You know a particular thing about white race? They don't accept their defeat so easily.

 

[Viet]

How are we not neutral in this case? We are always for free trade because it isn't a zero-sum game. We supported TPP and America's engagement in the region as well, so we are anti-China?


https://piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/reflections-lee-kuan-yew

I mean the speech of Singapore FM!
The root of tension lies in the China aggressive claim of the SC sea. China questions US hegemony in the world. Instead of addressing that fundamental problem, the FM talked of US accepting China “rise”.

What does he mean by accepting it?

 

[Mista]

What does he mean by accepting it?

He means that the US should work and compete constructively with China for the better of the world, instead of engaging in a zero-sum game competition which will ensure China as an enemy. The US and China are rivals but not enemies; they can compete constructively and contribute to the world.

That has always been Singapore's foreign position since the previous century.

And this is why we are an advocate of US presence in the region, so that China can integrate peacefully into the world instead of being bitter to the rest of the world because of the 'national humiliation' in the last 100+ years. A bitter China isn't good for both China and the rest of the world.

Try reading this to understand the thinking behind Singapore's foreign policy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/china/a...w-on-the-future-of-us-china-relations/273657/