Similarities between China of today, and Japan of the 70s and 80s

[Bussard Ramjet]

6. No, they don't. They only have a rough estimate of how many of those there are.
7. Robots can replace hundreds of manual laborers now. Even then China still has the largest population, by far, especially if you count for the fact that 50% of Indians will not be able to do advanced work due to poor nutrition.

Again, the robot fallacy.

Robots are not replacing any jobs. There are very few jobs that robots can do, and are economically able to replace cheap labor.

Half of all the robots sold are sold in automobile sector alone.

Some sectors like textiles etc. are totally non-automatable, atleast as yet.

 

[Beast]

You even want to deny China's contribution for the paper invention?

Some other civilization might come up with some convergent idea, but no serious historian can deny that paper technology that spread through the world was originated from China.

Some white supremacists in the West want to wage a racial war against China, that's why they are attempting to erase every significant contribution made by China. Just like before the genocide against the Native Americans, the Native Americans were generally portrayed as some worthless savage beasts.

You as an Iranian should not buy these white supremacist theories from the West, since these guys would never treat you Iranians as its fellow white people.

China and Iran are both thousands years old civilization, and we should respect each other's achievement, not to fall into the divide conquer trap set by the white supremacists.

He is a fake iranian. Do not trust his word. He was exposed by a fellow iranian. He is a CIA agent on their payroll to wage hate between Iranian and Chinese.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

the average western academian will tell you that paper comes from the egyptian papyrus , if you indeed invented the paper , you still have a long time ahead to prove it to the world




most of which are myths , chinese like to say the Cannon was invented by them and every time they try to they will debunk it for you ..



well , good luck

no they don't. what the **** type of western historians do you read? The Four Great Inventions is an English term. English, you know it?

 

[TheTruth]

Again, the robot fallacy.

Robots are not replacing any jobs. There are very few jobs that robots can do, and are economically able to replace cheap labor.

They do well in manufacturing, generally. They will be able to replace workers if needed. China doesn't need immigrants.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

They do well in manufacturing, generally. They will be able to replace workers if needed. China doesn't need immigrants.

Immigrants are a strength for every society, which is able to assimilate them.

Also, as I say, robotics isn't fundamentally changing manufacturing yet. Robotics is decades away from replacing cheap labor.

Finally, robotics and other technology is a common denominator for every country. Something like agriculture. It doesn't matter who first invented or started agriculture, but in some years, it was known to everyone, and hence, agriculture provided benefit to all humans, not to a particular nation. And hence, for a particular nation, the net number of people will be what will matter.

 

[TheTruth]

Immigrants are a strength for every society, which is able to assimilate them.

No, they're not. It depends on what immigrants you get. A run-of-the-mill young person is not the same thing as an expert.

Also, as I say, robotics isn't fundamentally changing manufacturing yet. Robotics is decades away from replacing cheap labor

That's going to be decades before China needs cheap laborers.

Finally, robotics and other technology is a common denominator for every country. Something like agriculture. It doesn't matter who first invented or started agriculture, but in some years, it was known to everyone, and hence, agriculture provided benefit to all humans, not to a particular nation. And hence, for a particular nation, the net number of people will be what will matter.

Countries with abundant cheap labor will not find robots a sound investment. Those without capital or the proper infrastructure won't be able to afford them.

If you're talking the "net number of people" China still has more good laborers than any country. Half of India has been chronically malnourished for life and will never be able to do complex work.

Robots aren't cost-effective now because a lot of basic work gets exported. If China really does run out of "cheap labor" they can always export jobs to neighboring non-Vietnam states.

 

[AViet]

I did no economic analysis, I have only stated facts. Also for your points:

1. US is an immigrant nation, and repeatedly invited in immigrants, and keeps its population growing. As such, one demographic dividend that US got was in the 70s and 80s, when the baby boomer generation grew.

7. It has been monitoring, but its aspirations and goals are wrong. The two child policy alone isn't sufficient to even raise the fertility to the replacement ratio of 2.1. The demographic issue has already snowballed into a large one.


The difference between China and US is that US has constantly invited in immigrants, both to demographically capture new territories, and to grow economy. I doubt if China will be able to do that.

I think we have different "facts" which will fit our belief.

The fact the US have been the destination for low-IQ ethnic groups for years. This have clearly reduced the quality of their education. With poor education and poorly trained workforce, the more population grow, the more burden the country has to bear. Clear indicators to me are:
- Pisa test: very bad result for a big OECD country like them.
- Math Olypiad/Chemical Olympiad...: although the US still rank quite high, almost all of delegate members are either ethnic Chinese or Jew.

Within 20-30 years, the US will become not a white country anymore. It will become another Mexico or Brazil, just bigger (poor education, third world living conditions for large percentage of population, very big gap between the rich and the poor). It is a clearly foreseeable future.

The liberal thinking is killing the US, the same result to EU, much like the communist ideology has killed the Eastern Europe. Basically, I have experienced both and I found them very identical in many aspects.

 

[Zsari]

They do well in manufacturing, generally. They will be able to replace workers if needed. China doesn't need immigrants.

Besides robot, the success of online retailing in China today is killing the traditional stores, including supermarkets and convenient stores. As such, all the supposed employment needs in the service sector will become non-existent. China has a serious unemployment issue ahead instead of a labor shortage.

 

[hirobo2]

The four great inventions.

China contributed the paper to the world. Without it, the human's technological advancement would perhaps postpone for several centuries.

China contributed the four great inventions to the world, while China became delusional and believed that no one could ever surpass her. However, the West seized with these available technologies and surpassed China during the renaissance era.

China eventually learned this fatal mistake for underestimating its potential competitor, so we are going to catch up again with hard work and dedication.

This is quite true. It's such a profound invention, the Japanese are still clinging onto it this day and age. You should see the amount of paper that gets churned thru a Japanese office on any given day...

 

[EAsian]

I think we have different "facts" which will fit our belief.

The fact the US have been the destination for low-IQ ethnic groups for years. This have clearly reduced the quality of their education. With poor education and poorly trained workforce, the more population grow, the more burden the country has to bear. Clear indicators to me are:
- Pisa test: very bad result for a big OECD country like them.
- Math Olypiad/Chemical Olympiad...: although the US still rank quite high, almost all of delegate members are either ethnic Chinese or Jew.

Within 20-30 years, the US will become not a white country anymore. It will become another Mexico or Brazil, just bigger (poor education, third world living conditions for large percentage of population, very big gap between the rich and the poor). It is a clearly foreseeable future.

The liberal thinking is killing the US, the same result to EU, much like the communist ideology has killed the Eastern Europe. Basically, I have experienced both and I found them very identical in many aspects.

I am agree with you，A country should not rely in low skilled foreigners to maintain its population，It's sucidal rather than a salvation.Only highly skilled foreigner will be good for the country.

 

[帅的一匹]

One is the UN council permanent member and one is political dwarf, just can't compare. If USA asks Japan to eat shit, it eat shit.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You even want to deny China's contribution for the paper invention?

Certainly paper making is a more flexible technology than papyrus making, Papyrus was a great tech for its time (5000 years ago)

Papyrus

Chinese Paper skip to 3:20

 

[beijingwalker]

China is more like US and Russia, Huge land and big population.what Japan lacks massive domestic market. Market decides everything.

 

[Godman]

Lets go back and compare China with Japan's 20s to 40s