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[StormBreaker]

If india does attack across ib as it will pakistan should not go on defensive but to carry attacks to capture indian territory. Eg india attack towards multan should be countered by concentrated efforts by pak to capture jaisalmer and jodpur and make india break off own attack.pakistan should prioritise at present before any aggression by india to destroy loc fence by bombing it to nothing all along loc and push through mujahideen from freedom groups especially syed sallahudin in the hundreds. Pakistan should concentrate on supplying weapons in large numbers anti tank missiles and stingers for freedom fighters to use

If Pakistan goes on offensive on IB, slowly but steadily our conventional power would drain due to huge losses thanks to modern air warfare which has better than ever Ground Attack capabilities, battalions would be finished. Offensive would be a stupid thing to even think. We must use Air power to MAX from a distance, it will weaken indian land power, once that happens, they will retreat and run away to UN or PLAY THE NUKE GAME. We guys have to accept the reality that we are a small nation compared to India, Plus point with us is that the number difference of Tanks and infantry is not MUCH of a concern as our Armour is almost 3/4th size of indian armour. Air is the real GAME THESE DAYS. K-8 must be heavily optimized for at least 4 anti ground BBs

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

anyone who is excited about an imminent Indian military invasion should calm down and relax. we are not going to attack Pakistan anytime soon. we are happy with the current status quo viz a viz Kashmir.

All other smaller actions on LOC or statements around getting back Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is just to keep you guys on the toes..

 

[StormBreaker]

anyone who is excited about an imminent Indian military invasion should calm down and relax. we are not going to attack Pakistan anytime soon. we are happy with the current status quo viz a viz Kashmir.

All other smaller actions on LOC or statements around getting back Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is just to keep you guys on the toes..

We have no problem with receiving attacks as we are experienced in inflicting them back on the attacker.
Thanks for the compliments btw

@The Eagle Thread achi chalrai hai. Apki zimidari hai aagay ab.

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

We have no problem with receiving attacks as we are experienced in inflicting them back on the attacker.

we all have our own narratives and we live with that ...

On the larger scheme of things, most of the Pakistanis miss out the fact that India has been able to manage the Kashmir issue to its own liking and Pakistani generals are also able to keep the issue alive as per their convenience without any intend or ability to come to a solution...

we can live like that for another 7 decades and discuss Kashmir in long future

 

[StormBreaker]

we all have our own narratives and we live with that ...

On the larger scheme of things, most of the Pakistanis miss out the fact that India has been able to manage the Kashmir issue to its own liking and Pakistani generals are also able to keep the issue alive as per their convenience without any intend or ability to come to a solution...

we can live like that for another 7 decades and discuss Kashmir in long future

On a whole opposite perspective, WE AS WELL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE GB and AJK to OUR OWN LIKING but NOT AS A TORTURUER LIKE YOUR PETTY ESTABLISHMENT.

Kindly use brains before getting ALL EXCITED UP FOR REPLYING ME.

You can try to survive just 1 more decade and i will be surprised let alone 7 decades.
You guys have played us with internal proxies.

DONT FORGET, once our RANKS DECIDE FULL SCALE INTERNAL DISTURBANCE IN YOUR ALREADY FRAGILE STATE AND THEY DEFINITELY WILL with a population lacking common sense and prone to propagandas, INDIA WILL SHATTER !!!

 

[Arsalan 345]

we all have our own narratives and we live with that ...

On the larger scheme of things, most of the Pakistanis miss out the fact that India has been able to manage the Kashmir issue to its own liking and Pakistani generals are also able to keep the issue alive as per their convenience without any intend or ability to come to a solution...

we can live like that for another 7 decades and discuss Kashmir in long future

If you attack,we will solve this issue once for all.no more drama.you are saying that the behavior of your armed forces is normal.i don't think so.there are many weapons that you are buying on emergency basis.spike atgm and new ibgs on border.i even heard close Russia India cooperation specially on s-400.this is not normal.

People in India thinks that pakistan can be defeated easily but again people in your country are forgetting about the nuclear weapons.nuclear weapons can be used in this sub continent and this is not blackmail.we Haven't made these weapons for fun.if you are planning for an attack,you should consider all out attack from Pakistan as well.we care about our existence and no country in this world will allow other country to attack it and annex it's parts.i hear lots of Indian members talking about detecting missiles and destroying it before take off,sending teams to disable nuclear weapons.all these things happen in bollywood.not even cia is capable enough to send teams to disarm Russian nuclear weapons.add nuclear weapons as a threat and not blackmail.we are serious this time.

 

[mudas777]

India will never ever going to make a mistake of direct crossing the border into our territory. Its always going to be a 3rd party job as direct confrontation with Pakistan will eventually lead to a nuclear exchange. Israel model of India labelling us with terrorism have lost its plot and shine and also last time our hospitality extended to an Indian pilot have punctured Indian ego and Indian invincibility on the international arena.
India will try to keep the LOC hot for a long time and have skirmishes here and there but both countries options on the battle field are limited. We can't defeat India outright and India can't have a clean sweep of Pakistan without incurring the damage where it can not recover for decades to come.
That's why India and Indians talk about limited incursion or limited operation without realizing both countries can amass resources at the hot spots and it will end in a stalemate.
India threat of teaching us a lesson is nothing new but Indians forget we can't read or write so how can we learn, we will just go back to them to break their teeth with equal measure. So Indians must accept and learn as they are more educated and intelligent then us that Pakistan is here to stay and Pakistan do have got some good friends who want us to be around too.
However Indian farting will continue for a foresee able future which is equally matched by our brothers bravo.
The only place India can defeat Pakistan is either on the cricket pitch or via Bollywood. Now it breaks my heart to say, that due to cutting off sporting and cultural links even that's not a remote possibility for Indians cheering fans. So I suggest to Indians keep on living in the world of make believe and keep dancing to the tunes of Bollywood and we will be watching you through Bollywood movies. Your joy killer fan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,
As for the “Full spectrum Offense, point to be noted with regards to PAF is that PAF won’t be focusing on JUST aerial warfare, nope, that would be a secondary. Primary goal would be STRIKE, SEAD, CAS, AAD for land troops and armour, as well as countering the enemy fighters in HEAVY numbers as well as facing a tough BVR environment. This will require at least 1/4th of our total fleet to be present on offense while others are in air as well. It will be a MULTIROLE environment in huge spectrum with expectations of heavy enemy aircrafts UNLESS the aircrafts have been “pillowed while sleep”. IAF will come in huge, they will give it maximum they can at least time, this is when PAF might consider a tactical retreat to lure them to our grounds just to bring them in close to our other fleet which is in air along with a heavy EW environment by our AWACS. Retreating one’s can refuel in air/land to get loaded up again, while the others engage them to get a better outcome being a defensive force once again IN AIR. However, the retreat might push IAF to send in M2K/MKI/Jaguars as well as IA helos to ambush our advancing infantry and armoury which will definitely result in a BAD outcome. This is where we fell short in heavy Air Defence environment, AD should have been the top most priority of PAF and PA since forever but no use of blaming now. Even though AD have quite a less success rate compared to BVR/WVR, they do cast fear into the enemy hearts and planners are also left with even narrower options to plan out.

PAF has always got lucky, 27 Feb was also a lucky yet successful encounter. Now as per what we have seen on pdf and other platforms, PAF played a clever game by getting close, release the GBs into India territory, then wait for them to come back, once they are in our tracking range, send in the BVRs and boom !!!
But an offensive would be a whole different situation and Light weight fighters such as Thunders should be at least 280-300 in numbers to think of such a strategy of all out offense. One Thunder can barely bag enough Anti ground+BVR+WVR weaponry to go on such a mission so dedicated aircrafts are more suitable in this case. It is Air superiority that will judge the overall outcome in the end. God forbid, PAF losses such, our ground forces and tanks would be reduced to nothing while inside IOK.

That is why i still believe J-10C has a special requirement for PAF and was always the best fit for PAF but we just don’t do things the easy and good way. J-10C is a highly potent Anti ground role as well as Air superiority roles fighter. Even in multirole mode, it can bag enough to give a balance to both capabilities.

Going on an unending blind offense would result in total loss of valuable assets of Tri forces.

Stay on defensive, if they try to play with you, Play the China card, bring in advance weapons on lease from China, Enemy will be shook from core, this is where they will retreat or cry at international forum.

As for your concern regarding IAF weakness,
As per my strong belief, it’s totally a WORST CASE OF MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP/COMMAND. Either they are played orphan in budget distribution or they lack competent Air Command chiefs as well as coordination and preparedness. Remember, these all weaknesses are short term and can be taken care off if really dedicated. We must worry once if these are really taken care off.

we will fight where we are strong and can deploy our limited assets eith maximum efficiency


you are so much spot on that you might not know your self

indian attack will be full blown to overwhelm us and deplete our assets with sheer numbers and claim victory


re china
its our own war
we cant use chinese card as it means nothing
when war breaks then there is no time for training transport and use of chinese wrapons unless chinese are deployed inside pakistan or launch the attack for us from their land and that cant happen they cant pick a fight for pakistan

 

[StormBreaker]

we will fight where we are strong and can deploy our limited assets eith maximum efficiency


you are so much spot on that you might not know your self

indian attack will be full blown to overwhelm us and deplete our assets with sheer numbers and claim victory


re china
its our own war
we cant use chinese card as it means nothing
when war breaks then there is no time for training transport and use of chinese wrapons unless chinese are deployed inside pakistan or launch the attack for us from their land and that cant happen they cant pick a fight for pakistan

That’s why i am focusing on getting maximum Air and Anti Air power. The only way India can shock us is with IAF, nothing more. Ground tracking is not an issue, however, it needs really massive amount of time to get ready on ground level to deal with a MAJOR threat, just like Lahore morning 1965.

The more Air Power and PUNCH we build, the FASTER we close the defensive GAP between our weaknesses.

Get more & more Aircrafts, establish Air bases in western Punjab, Southern punjab in the same latitude as ORMARA to give quick access to Gwadar as well as karachi and coast as well as eastern threats.

Create a very intense Air defense system throughout the IB and LOC, create multilayared Air defenses around important and most vulnerable cities and installments, Get more and more medium range systems with many long range systems.

Acquire at least 3 squadrons of J-10C and get as many A2G missiles as possible. Even with a combined strength of 175 Thunders and 76 F-16s, we fell short to counter increasing threat of M2k, Rafale and MKIs.
However, if we plan to upgrade B1 and B2 to B3 level, then it’s a whole lot of different situation all together.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

India threat of teaching us a lesson is nothing new but Indians forget we can't read or write so how can we learn, we will just go back to them to break their teeth with equal measure. So Indians must accept and learn as they are more educated and intelligent then us that Pakistan is here to stay and Pakistan do have got some good friends who want us to be around too.

awesome commentary

 

[StormBreaker]

you are so much spot on that you might not know your self

Thanks

 

[Goenitz]

@GURU DUTT
and all..
not happy with low indian presence.. even they are biased we need their poView

@MastanKhan
Sir... on the contrary... Can this event highlight PA that PAF is most important arm and they need to strengthen it as it was first responder after 26 Feb events occurred. So we procure more AD units and BVRs etc

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan
Sir... on the contrary... Can this event highlight PA that PAF is most important arm and they need to strengthen it as it was first responder after 26 Feb events occurred. So we procure more AD units and BVRs etc[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Paf has been the most important arm of the defense forces and it is not going to change---.

What has happened with the Paf is that since the past---they have performed with LESS better than the enemy's MORE---and that as gone into their heads.

The problem right now and for years has been that they have confirmed the belief that that is the position they want to stay in---and that mindset and positioning is wrong---.

In their mind---they are defenders of the nation with less---.

What no one either told them or they never understood that was not their only job---.

They did not want to understand that with a timely purchase of more fighter aircraft---would have created a major paradigm shift in favor of pakistan & pakistan's power positioning---.

What that means in layman's term---they found a nugget of gold---it met "their needs"---they became satisfied---but they did not bother to look further for the "gold mine" that was right next to it which would have satisfied the needs of nation---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

One thing very important to understand is that the moment pakistan starts getting economics benefits and is moving towards financial recovery---india will find a way to sabotage the country---do something that will stop the progress---stop foreign investments---.

I have believed that it was very important for Pakistan to have loaded itself up on the chinese offer on a fastrak---.

At least 3 sqdrn's of either J10 C's J15's J11's J16's on JH7A's should have been ordered and if some aircraft were available from current inventory---they should have been leased right away---.

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

On a whole opposite perspective, WE AS WELL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE GB and AJK to OUR OWN LIKING but NOT AS A TORTURUER LIKE YOUR PETTY ESTABLISHMENT.

Kindly use brains before getting ALL EXCITED UP FOR REPLYING ME.

You can try to survive just 1 more decade and i will be surprised let alone 7 decades.
You guys have played us with internal proxies.

DONT FORGET, once our RANKS DECIDE FULL SCALE INTERNAL DISTURBANCE IN YOUR ALREADY FRAGILE STATE AND THEY DEFINITELY WILL with a population lacking common sense and prone to propagandas, INDIA WILL SHATTER !!!

I wish you were that important for me to get excited in replying you, but you are NOT

With regards to using proxies to create disturbance in India ...You need to understand that the same can be done by India. In fact you guys lost close to 70000 people in last one decade and all of them by "Internal Players" in Pakistan. Your pakistani state does not give any signal of a coherent nation state, in fact you are just a bunch of tribes with their own selfish interest.


Don't threaten to burn someone else while sitting on a tinderbox