Sickening & probably illegal- Foreigners posing with their dead "trophies"

[CriticalThinker02]

If only our government wasn't a slave puppet and actually worked for our nation, our people and our land we wouldn't be in this state as we are today but until the day we let go of this colonial era slave mentality we would be treated as we deserve to be treated like trash by these foreigners who come to our land and take our treasures away from us.

@Kaptaan why don't you comment here condemning these white masters for killing this beautiful endangered national animal of Pakistan for sport as you would if they were rather Arab princes?

 

[war&peace]

These ugly blobby sloshy pieces of flesh...unfortunately they are humans or look like humans...what a disgusting scene is to see them posing with dead bodies of animals..

It is natural for humans to prey for food and it has been going on since the advent of human beings on this planet but killing for fun and sport is disgusting.

 

[Thorough Pro]

While indiscriminate hunting is abhorable, most comments here are just a knee jerk reaction to the pics without knowing the background. Pakistan has one of the worlds most successful conservation programs on endangered animals. The exorbitant licence fees charged for taking out older animals is used to invest on the local community and the conservation of the animals themselves. People are encouraged to do some research before posting on the subject.

Torghar Conservation Program:

• Only older male Markhors are hunted while safeguarding females and young bucks, this ensures population growth
• Money from trophy hunts is spent on community, community projects and conservation program itself
• One may be put off by the pictures, it is natural, but this is the only sustainable way to conservation, i.e., get the entire community invested financially into conservation

 

[krash]

Read this before commenting. This is another thread full of misinformation spread by our illiterate media.

During the early to mid 90s a British biologist was working on Markhor conservation in the Chiltan National Park in Balochistan. They tried everything there but the population of Markhor kept declining as the nomadic tribes there kept hunting them. The Markhor had been a staple for these tribes for hundreds of years and it was usual for them to kill and eat a few during their migration to and from Afghanistan. The government and the conservationists tried everything, including outright bans on hunting and heavy fines, but nothing worked because it was too hard to monitor such a vast and remote region effectively. The conservation effort needed more money to expand their surveillance network so as to better monitor and prevent hunting.

This is when this British biologist came up with the idea of allowing limited, licensed trophy hunting of the oldest animals in the region. This would give them much needed capital towards the conservation effort. In negotiations to allow the hunt they had to accept some demands of the local governments e.g. a part of the hunting revenue will go to the local people. The plan finally got underway. If I remember correctly, two licenses were sold to the highest bidder every year. The hunters were always accompanied by a liaison from the conservation team who would identify the animal and then allow or disallow the hunt depending on the age of the animal. Only the oldest animals, who were way past their prime and breeding potential, were allowed to be hunted (evident by the size of the horns in those pictures).

Over the next few years it was noticed that the Markhor population in the region had not only stopped declining but had in fact started increasing at a relatively astounding rate. It was quickly realised that the rate of increase did not correlate proportionally with the expansion of the conservation efforts given the increased capital, there was something else facilitating it. Further research led to the realisation that the local people had just stopped poaching the animal, which was previously the largest cause for the decline in the population. What was happening was that apart from their share from the licensing fees the local population was earning money through the hunts directly as well. The foreign hunting parties would come to their areas, hire jeeps, guides, cooks, porters, rooms, etc. for their hunt earning the locals a steady stream of income every year. This income surpassed any benefit that Markhor poaching gave them. Suddenly the locals were invested and their income dependant on the survival of the Markhor which led to a sharp decrease in poaching and increase in the help to conserve them. Suddenly the poachers themselves became the first line of defence against the illegal poaching of the animal. The animals which were already past their useful age now became a source to save another dozen young ones.

This project became so successful that it was then emulated in the other Markhor regions of Pakistan and was ultimately adopted by other Markhor countries as well. Today an international body, the Convention of International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) management authority, monitors and allows the maximum number of hunting licenses that a country can issue for the animal based on the population and rate of increase/decrease. Recently, given the increase in population and hence the older male animals, the Pakistani government has been thinking about requesting more hunting licenses for the animal from CITES. This project single-handedly brought the Markhor back from the brink of extinction in the country and today we have the fastest growing population of the animal anywhere in the world.


This conservation scheme has since then also been applied towards the Snow Leopard. Only instead of hunting them, the foreigners are given a chance to photograph them.

Licence to kill markhors
From the Newspaper — Published Dec 09, 2013 07:56am



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THE national animal of Pakistan, markhor, is on the brink of extinction due to both licensed and illegal hunting. The large-sized species of wild goat found in the rugged mountains of Central Asia is slowly vanishing.

According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature, the population of this fascinating animal is less than 2,500. Nearly 1,500 of them are found in the northern hill sides of Pakistan. The species’ number is declining. But it would not stop the wildlife department of Pakistan from issuing licences every year for hunting markhor. This year a single licence was sold for $125,000. The money should be spent on the welfare of this endangered species.

Apart from this, illegal hunting is excessively taking place. Village conservation committees have been set up and tasked with taking steps to prevent the illegal hunting of markhor. But they too are slow and inefficient.

We request the authorities concerned to make the village conservation committees more effective and impose restrictions on the illegal hunting of markhor.

HAHBAZ SHAKOOR & THREE OTHERS Islamabad

See what happens when you have an illiterate retard write news articles? Apart from everything stated above about the help licensed hunting is providing for the conservation efforts, the population of Markhor in Pakistan is on the rise.

An increase in ibex hunting in Baluchistan has resulted in shock and outrage amongst the environmentalists and activists involved in the conservation efforts. What is outrageous is that not only is the Ibex i.e. Markhor is an endangered animal but is also the National Animal of Pakistan.

Social media has been swarmed by heartbreaking and utterly cruel pictures of these hunters with their ‘trophies’ during the Eid season, which has annoyed those working towards saving the animals.

Baluchistan, along with the mountainous regions of the Himalayas, is a major breeding ground for the South Asian ibex, a national animal of Pakistan. However, due to the recent hunting trend that has picked up the momentum we see the presence of these famed goats going down.

Take a look at these images:







Local as well as foreign hunters deliberately travel to the remote areas in Baluchistan in order to pursue this guilty passion.

The most seen hunters on the fertile ibex hunting ground in Baluchistan are the elite who hunts theses mountain goats with liberty. And with the profiles of these influential individuals ranging from legislators to tribal chieftains, forest officers deployed to curtail such activities remain powerless to do anything.

The Arab novelties also descend on the province to try their hands at hunting ibexes and Houbara. Some of the most popular regions in Baluchistan preferred for royal hunting trips are Chaghai, Naushki, Kharan.

Baluchistan’s forest and wildlife department spurred into action in response to the increasing amount of social media campaigns which protested the hunting of ibexes. In an interview, the department’s secretary, Khudai Rahim Hijbani, said, “We have ordered an inquiry regarding the hunting of ibexes in Balochistan.We will submit a final report in a week’s time.”

With such high casualties of our endangered species and our national animal, the actions taken by the Government is not ‘sufficient’ at all, let alone efficient.

The Government of Pakistan needs to wake up before it is too late.

One possible solution can be to allow trophy hunting in a limited amount so that illegal hunting can be stopped and the Arab novelties can try their hands at trophy hunting and preserve the animals they have hunted.

Another moronic article completely void of any reality.

First of all the Ibex is not a Markhor. Both are completely different species apart from belonging to the same genus, Capra. You'd think that this "journalist" would have googled at least this much. Secondly, the Himalayan Ibex's population is very plentiful in Pakistan and nowhere near being endangered. The Sindh Ibex is vulnerable and still not close to being endangered.

The licensed hunting of these animals is providing invaluable capital towards the conservation of the other actually endangered species of the region.

Unfortunately, that money is probably just going into the pockets of politicians and almost nothing is going into protection and conservation.

Incorrect. Recently some money was given to the locals of a particular region. I can't remember the name of the place or the amount.

What kind of country sells license to kill its national animal! That too when its an endangered species !

A wise one. Now take your trolling to the stupid section.

Funny how the thread author conveniently left out the easily obtained Pakistan hunters and others who were NOT rich Americans or Europeans. Wonder why that is?

Tbh, the first three pictures are of the organiser and guides for the foreign hunting parties. The first is of the same guy in OP's article. Your points still stand of course.

Magnificent and majestic animals.

Question: Do foreigners really pay 125.000 USD just to kill one animal?

If so, where's the problem? With all this money you could breed thousands of animals, create thousands of jobs (e.g. hunting tourism) and and invest in infrastructure. If you ask me, this is an opportunity for Balochistan.

Yes they do. Reportedly, the most expensive hunt ever sold was of a Markhor. You can bag a lion for as little as $18,500 or an elephant for $31,450. For the rest please read above.


@denel @TheNoob

 

[Indus Pakistan]

why don't you comment here condemning these white masters for killing this beautiful endangered national animal of Pakistan for sport as you would if they were rather Arab princes?

I condemn anybody including white people if they do wrong. I don't brook any crap from any quarter - ask @MarkusS how many times I have collided with him or the fencing with @Solomon2

I of course pick more on the Arabs for the simple reason they do it more often and recieve almost no flak whereas you know American's get shafting even if the weather is no good. Blame America and worship Arab's is like a friggin national hobby in Pakistan.

I actually oppose hunting as principle. If I had it my way it would be banned along with the damn pistols, rifles and the whole caboodle that goes with it. Only in exceptions where wildlife threatens the ecology do we have right to kill animals. Hunting is nothing but simple blood lust and taps into the dark side of humanity and as part our upward climb on the ladder of civilization this has to be dropped.

 

[imadul]

This is criminal. But this a FREE country to loot, kill, plunder. I hope these foreigners haven't killed those beautiful animals. Think licensed hunting is allowed but cares rules are followed.

 

[Imad.Khan]

I am opposed to illegal hunting, but on saying that if properly managed Legal licenced trophy hunting has multiple advantages.

1. Source of income for the state and the local populace.
2. Assists in conversation.

Income to the state and locals is obvious but how does it help conversation. Trophy hunters are usually after the biggest animals or the ones with the largest horns. The animals with the largest horns are usually the old males. So if the trophy hunters take a few dozen of these will not impact the population as the younger males and the females will not be impacted. Also as the local population benefits from these animals they would be inclined to protect the herds and not poach them for local consumption. This has actually worked in Africa and Australia where trophy hunting has helped the conservationists with much needed finance to do their work.

Now the only way this will work is if the trophy hunting is managed properly, for that there needs to be dedicated places where trophy hunting is allowed. Park rangers can be used to locate old males from other areas and bring them into these dedicated wildlife parks for hunters. Leaving the healthy young herds in the protected parks out of harms way. They can also run safari adventures in the protected parks where the only shooting that could be allowed is with a camera. This will be a win win situation for everyone. You get to eliminate the old males from the healthy herds and in the process get income from both wildlife tourists and trophy hunters.

The local populace also benefits as this will create jobs, which will include park rangers, tour guides, veterinarian (to make sure the herds are healthy), taxidermist, eateries and temporary living accommodations like motels.

 

[marbella]

I wish I could kill some of you guys and pay for it. That money would have been used for betterment of your families.
Do I make sense?

 

[mfhtoor]

Budd do you know that a trophy is 80.00.000 rs

 

[dadeechi]

So like I said, unless you are an absolute vegetarian who uses no fur, no leather, no animal products of any kind, you're just being a hypocrite. You don't have any objection to an animal being killed for your use.....as long as you can pay someone else to do it for you.

Btw, unless Pakistan is the only hunting country were this is the case that I have ever heard of, any game animal killed, in any country that I have ever heard of, must have it's meat used for food. You can not waste it. You cannot dispose of it. It is a crime to do so. That is the case in every single country that I have ever hunted in and everywhere in the USA.

Very well said.

I do not understand the point that people are trying to make here..

 

[ghazi52]

American hunter claims Markhor trophy in G-B

G-B officials pose with the Markhor hunted by Rex Baker.

GILGIT: An American on Saturday killed a Markhor, becoming the season’s first hunter to claim the ‘trophy’ of the near-threatened wild goat in Gilgit-Baltistan (G-B).

Rex Baker shot the animal at around 11am in Napura in Baseen area – a conservancy managed by wildlife conservation society (WCS) since 2003.

“This is this season’s first Markhor hunt,” Rehmat Ali, a conservation manager in WCS, said on Saturday.

“We hope more hunters will come in the days to come,” Ali told .

As a goodwill gesture, the G-B government arranged a ceremony in honour of the hunter with the Minister Forest and Wildlife Muhammad Imran in attendance.

Hunters from around the world flock to G-B and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa to hunt Markhors, Ibexes and Blue Sheep. The government auctions hunting permits charging $65,000 for a Markhor.

This year, the G-B government had auctioned hunting permits for four Markhors, 80 Ibexes and 12 Blue Sheep.

Hunting quotas

Ali says hunting quota of the animals is determined based on the annual surveys carried out by wildlife experts.

“We can say that there are about 300 markhors in our conservancy,” the conservation manager said who himself has been part of many wildlife surveys in G-B in the past.

Markhor is Pakistan’s national animal and is found in Afghanistan, northern Pakistan, Kashmir and its surrounding areas.

Markhor had been listed as an endangered animal in 1998 by the International Union of Conservation of Nature (IUCN). However, as its population recovered, it was downgraded to ‘near-threatened’ in 2015, paving the way for the government to allow limited hunting.

The trophy hunting programme was first launched in the Bar area of Nagar valley as part of efforts to discourage illegal hunting of endangered animals. With each hunt, the G-B government provides 80 per cent share of the licence to the respective local communities.

According to wildlife department officials, trophy hunting is carried out under the Convention on International Trade of Endangered Species of Wildlife, and is allowed only in notified areas of G-B in collaboration with the relevant communities.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Beautiful animal. The video is a nice illustration of what kind of extreme environment in Pakistan they live.

 

[BATMAN]

gov of pakistan give license to kill these . as i remember 100000$ for each of this

What's the cost of 'tilor' hunting liscence?

The exorbitant licence fees charged for taking out older animals is used to invest on the local community and the conservation of the animals themselves.

There is a famous American proverb 'Pakistanis can sell their mothers for US visa'.
I doubt, any of the men in pictures, paid a dime to gop. specially when hunting was happening under Zardari's rule !!!

 

[Signalian]

im not sure about this, is this true?

 

[Thorough Pro]

I was talking about trophy hunting, "Tilor" does not fall under that category and I am not sure if there is any license fee for that or not.

What's the cost of 'tilor' hunting liscence?



There is a famous American proverb 'Pakistanis can sell their mothers for US visa'.
I doubt, any of the men in pictures, paid a dime to gop. specially when hunting was happening under Zardari's rule !!!