Shria Law in Pakistan

[livingdead]

please change thread title ..

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

There is no forking method to implement Sharia correctly.

Because Sharia itself is an outdated, stone age relic, that should be put in museums and not in the government houses.


What you are saying is that if you implement a donkey-cart correctly, it can travel on the motorway at 110 km per hour.

But you know it and I know it, donkey carts are only implementable in cave age societites and not the modern motoways.

Why?

Motorways are modern European concept

And

you get a modern european car to drive on it and not a donkey cart for the damn motorways.

Hope you understand it now

plz non muslim ISLAM ki baat na karain ..
bhai jaan ko westphobia ho gaya ha
salman taseer ka koi qareebi rishtaydar ha ya :
i bet

 

[PakPrinciples]

His way of implementing Shriya was not correct

I personally don't think he did anything wrong on that front though if you have examples you can quote I would be interested to read them.

Liberals will usually insult the man even though he more than doubled the GDP in two terms probably lifting millions out of poverty all while there was a war going on in neighbouring Afghanistan yet under virtually the same conditions their "idol" Zardari, an elected civilian politician, was an utter failure. Those same liberal scum are more then eager to denounce Gen. Zia for supporting the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan who fought the soviets whose ultimate target was Pakistan as evidenced in a number of sources I quoted on another post (Former ISI chief: Hiding Osama a victory | Page 14) including Russian military and Peter the not so great himself stated in his own will ("A History of Persia Vol. II" by Sir Percy Pikes pg. 245) yet are more than happy to support NATO in their war on Afghanistan. Their hypocrisy knows no bound and they are incapable of telling the truth which is not surprising considering they are all treacherous treasonous traitorous filth of the highest calibre and need to be dealt with.

unfortunately this thread is about religious discussion and thus in violation of forum rules.

Considering the fact that article 2 of the constitution states that Islam is the official state religion and article 227 states that no law can ever be passed that is repugnant or contradictory to the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah (i.e. Sharia) it seems clear that discussing the subject is completely warranted.

For #2

Sharia laws as a system of government are some of the most rabid anti-human, despicable and depraved set that we should consider them as next to Hitler's dastardly set of rules. or Khemar cr@p $hit.

You obviously have no understanding of Sharia and based on comments you've made on PDF you do not appear to understand any of the varying political and economic systems particularly considering you are regularly defending "democracy" yet fail to realize that Hitler was elected in free and fair democratic elections.

What is "anti-human" (I think you mean inhumane) and what "rights" do you have, who gave you those "rights" and what authority did they have to give or take away your "rights"? Different civilizations over the course of history have varying views on the subject let alone their willingness to even abide by their own principles/beliefs which usually wane in the face of emotion hence why Solon, an Athenian lawmaker labelled one of the seven wise men of Greece and one of the original architects and caretakers of the "democratic" system of governance, warned his countrymen that democracy would fail without an unchangeable everlasting body of laws (i.e. Shariah) and was proven right time and again.

Let me give you an example to demonstrate how the idea of "humanism", which I believe is what you are preaching, is utter nonsense:

There are two families (which can be extended to tribes, cities and countries) one of which is desperately poor on the verge of death while the other family is exceedingly wealthy. In order to survive the father of the poor family slaughters the rich family and confiscates their belongings in order to ensure his families survival.​

Would you say that his actions were justifiable? I bet you are thinking "no, he murdered and stole stuff and murder is wrong unless it is in self defence". However, two synonyms for the word "defence" are "guard" and "protect" so was the father of the poor family not "guarding" or "protecting" both his health and that of his own family by forcibly taking the property of another? If not explain to me why? We kill and eat other animals and plant life or build over their homes for both survival and a better quality of life for ourselves because we are the "dominant species" yet the "humanist" thinks the same right for the strong among humanity to kill and steal from the weak among us doesn’t exist and that is why both they and those who preach their nonsense are arrogant and ignorant. Without Islam what you are doing is defining human beings as just another animal and in nature it is and has always been "survival of the fittest" there is no such thing as "humane" or "humanism" which has been demonstrated time and time again throughout human history.

Another problem is the result of your lack of understanding of the social impacts crimes like theft, adultery, murder, interest, etc... along with incarceration have on society so you denounce punishments as barbaric without even the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

Had adultery been punished and people refrained from engaging in adulterous relationships STD's like AIDS wouldn't be a pandemic killing 1.7 million people in 2011 alone in fact those infected could have easily been isolated and prevented from infecting others eliminating it as a threat.

Theft, corruption and fraud increase the cost of goods and services (ex. insurance) for honest consumers particularly the poor and robs everyone of economic opportunities which would have saved lives and lifted the poor out of poverty. For example the 2012 National Retail Security Survey conducted within the US reported that 74% of shrinkage was attributed to theft (employee theft, shoplifting and organized retail crime) which totalled about 1.47% of total retail sales and considering total US retail sales in 2012 was US $3991.46 billion that amounts to about US $58.7 billion (about $187 per US citizen) or 0.38% of GDP which doesn't seem like much until you compare it with GDP growth which means retail theft alone robed the US of 17% of its economic growth in 2012. How many people will suffer because of lost profits for the business and tax revenues generated from those sales for the government that could have gone towards expanding industry or better funding social welfare projects which would improve peoples standards of living and keep them off the streets?

What "rights" does a rapist who stole a woman's innocence and ignores her pleas to stop have? When your loved one is raped and beaten on a bus with a steel pipe like in India then tell me you want to treat the perpetrators to free meals and a roof over their head for however long they are alive while the sick and poor who could have used the money that was allocated to keep those same filth in prison could have funded the education of two or more orphans or helped pay for medicines for an out of work but honest man.

How many people lost their homes forcing them onto the streets, into shelters and disrupting the normal development of children of those families affected robbing them of a financial asset that could have been used later in life to assist in funding their child’s secondary school education because of the 2009 financial crisis due to their inability to make mortgage payments on a house they probably paid the principal off long ago but could not cover the compounding interest payments? What's "humane" about that or the corporate favouritism that bailed out banks but not the families affected by the poor decisions those banks made and profited off of for years until their idiocy bit them in the ***?

Because of lax laws the honest, hardworking civilian is made to pay for incarceration of criminals. Thus, even after breaking the law we are still clothing, housing and feeding these people free of charge their punishment is simply a restriction of privacy and certain restrictions on their freedom of movement whether its for a few days, months or years all at our expense. To give you an example it costs the US taxpayer $21,000 per year to jail someone in minimum security and $33,000 per year to jail someone in maximum security and costs are rising like in Canada which now spends $2.98 billion or The US which spent $74 billion in 2007 alone keeping people locked up instead of using that money to invest in industry, social welfare programs or repairing infrastructure. Consider the fact that Saudi Arabia does utilize sharia to varying degrees but even with that said a city like New York with a population about the same size in 2002 had 2200 times more burglaries, almost 3 times the murders, 1.5 times the assaults, etc...

www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sv.pdf

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...historical_crime_complaint_data_2000-2012.zip

People almost always break the law when the benefits outweigh the risks. I can provide personal examples from my own life relating to guys I have known who are career convicts but suffice it to say not a single one of them gives a damn about Canadian prisons because at the end of the day its nothing but a rooming house for them. Until you enforce quick punishments that severely outweigh the benefits of a particular crime all you are going to do is keep jamming people into already overcrowded prisons robbing the country of valuable tax revenues until such time there is no more room and no more tax revenues to spend on construction of new jails and those same criminals have to be set free having faced no punishment for their crime they committed emboldening them to continue to break the law.

Criminals set free in Flint: Jail overcrowding stops police from 72 arrests in 2 months | MLive.com

Sharia is the most comprehensive and amazing set of laws which cover every aspect of life and if applied correctly they will make Pakistan and the world at large a better place to live.

 

[FaujHistorian]

....Sharia is the most comprehensive and amazing set of laws which cover every aspect of life and if applied correctly they will make Pakistan and the world at large a better place to live.

At best Sharia butchery head chopping etc is

Iphone 1

And the world has moved on to IPhone-5.

Everytime there is a problem with Iphone-5, Islamists jump in shouting Iphone-1 was the best, was the best was the best

Bring Iphone-1, we loved it.

But the problem is


The era of Iphone-1, its technology, its system they are all gone, obsolete.

No one can bring it back for general use. The best it can do is be inside a museum.



You all think Sharia laws were followed by Muslims ONLY?

heck no.

Sharia is a collection of rules that pretty much all tribes used including non-Muslim ones.

Yeah the type of personal laws could be different

but the public laws of Sharia are the same the way even Kuffar and pagans lived and died and followed head chopping, stoning and other cruel stuff.



So here this.

Iphone-1 is not coming back,.

Try to live with the latest systems

Thank you

plz non muslim ISLAM ki baat na karain ..
bhai jaan ko westphobia ho gaya ha
salman taseer ka koi qareebi rishtaydar ha ya :
i bet

So anyone who disagrees with Islmaist butchers is now non-Muslim.

paaaathetic.

 

[qamar1990]

There is no forking method to implement Sharia correctly.

Because Sharia itself is an outdated, stone age relic, that should be put in museums and not in the government houses.

interesting, ill tell you one thing just to burst your bubble once a again!
pakistan will never be secular in your lifetime, you and i will die before you get to see a secularism in pakistan.

What you are saying is that if you implement a donkey-cart correctly, it can travel on the motorway at 110 km per hour.

what a stupid comparison lol.
how about this one,
democracy is also a stone age concept created thousands of years ago perhaps we should find a new method of governance.

But you know it and I know it, donkey carts are only implementable in cave age societites and not the modern motoways.

Why?
Motorways are modern European concept

donkey carts are not meant for highways, they are meant for dirt roads in villages, just like you can't drive a nice european car on a messed dirt road because it will mess up that european car.

so secularism and democracy are good in developed educated countries but in a country like pakistan you need donkey cart methods because after 5 years of democracy the country is all torn up.

And

you get a modern european car to drive on it and not a donkey cart for the damn motorways.

Hope you understand it now

modern european cars should stay on european highways.
on pakistani highways we need to build our own pakistani "car" then we'll drive that.
we don't want european cars.

His Islamism tore apart our society

he and all Pakistani Mullahs clamoring for Sharia are simply mardoods

Sorry to say

"islamism" ?what is islamism?
when you islam basically your saying peacism,
"islam" already is the name for our belief system, adding "ism" to it doesn't make it a different thing.
perhaps you might be referring to "fundamentalism" and ignorantly calling it islamism?

the only thing hurting pakistan is fundamentalism thats all, religious fundamentalists like the ttp and then the secular fundamentalists like you.

If a guy gives your brother a poison pill or worse a suicide jacket
then
I'll ask you to say that Mullah is an awesome dude or you will curse him for killing your brother
Awesome dude my foot!

what the hell are you talking about?
one does not have to be a mullah to give somebody a poison pill, or even a suicide west.
in fact it was the japanese who invented this suicide bombing idea not muslims.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Why don't you just kill me while you are at it?

cuz i have no authority to judge or kill you, and you are not a Muslim and are not bound by the rules of Islam, or by the rules of the country in which there might exist the law of Islam

At best Sharia butchery head chopping etc is

Iphone 1

And the world has moved on to IPhone-5.

Everytime there is a problem with Iphone-5, Islamists jump in shouting Iphone-1 was the best, was the best was the best

Bring Iphone-1, we loved it.

But the problem is


The era of Iphone-1, its technology, its system they are all gone, obsolete.

No one can bring it back for general use. The best it can do is be inside a museum.



You all think Sharia laws were followed by Muslims ONLY?

heck no.

Sharia is a collection of rules that pretty much all tribes used including non-Muslim ones.

Yeah the type of personal laws could be different

but the public laws of Sharia are the same the way even Kuffar and pagans lived and died and followed head chopping, stoning and other cruel stuff.



So here this.

Iphone-1 is not coming back,.

Try to live with the latest systems

Thank you





So anyone who disagrees with Islmaist butchers is now non-Muslim.

paaaathetic.

i phone 5 was made by making changes to i phone 1, so you can make a little changes in Sharia to meet todays needs

 

[Chronos]

@FaujHistorian

Take a gander at your fellow countrymen's opinions, and then lose all hope.

I am just kidding. If educated members of your country who uses computers think like this, I wonder what the poor in Pakistan think?

Maybe they are more sensible than the lot on this board who knows?

 

[xTra]

@FaujHistorian

Take a gander at your fellow countrymen's opinions, and then lose all hope.

I am just kidding. If educated members of your country who uses computers think like this, I wonder what the poor in Pakistan think?

Maybe they are more sensible than the lot on this board who knows?

I was born intelligent, but education ruined me'

 

[EasyNow]

I feel very sorry for you @FaujHistorian you are swimming against the tide in the middle of an overwhelming flood.

That said, I really think the worst is over. Islamic extremism reached its nadir in the last decade and people are becoming increasingly wary of it. For example, only one poster accused you of not being Muslim this time round!

For the whole Muslim world Pakistan is a bellwether - where you go the rest are destined to follow. I sincerely hope you keep up the good work, people are looking for answers and we have to provide it to them.

 

[FaujHistorian]

cuz i have no authority to judge or kill you, and you are not a Muslim and are not bound by the rules of Islam, or by the rules of the country in which there might exist the law of Islam


i phone 5 was made by making changes to i phone 1, so you can make a little changes in Sharia to meet todays needs

has already happened.

What Sharia is today is what Christian Europe was in medieval period.

They too were murdering nay butchering innocents in the name of blasted blasphemy. They too had stone-age hadood ordinances all over Europe

That was their pathetic Iphone-1


Then a revolution happened and they got rid of their archaic Mullathtic Pope-tic laws.

you all can't reinvent any forking wheel in Pakistan.

and forget about the forking Iphone-5.


peace

 

[dontsuspendme]

has already happened.

What Sharia is today is what Christian Europe was in medieval period.

They too were murdering nay butchering innocents in the name of blasted blasphemy. They too had stone-age hadood ordinances all over Europe

That was their pathetic Iphone-1


Then a revolution happened and they got rid of their archaic Mullathtic Pope-tic laws.

you all can't reinvent any forking wheel in Pakistan.

and forget about the forking Iphone-5.


peace

Forget about iPhone...Samsung is already here...

 

[Jf Thunder]

has already happened.

What Sharia is today is what Christian Europe was in medieval period.

They too were murdering nay butchering innocents in the name of blasted blasphemy. They too had stone-age hadood ordinances all over Europe

That was their pathetic Iphone-1


Then a revolution happened and they got rid of their archaic Mullathtic Pope-tic laws.

you all can't reinvent any forking wheel in Pakistan.

and forget about the forking Iphone-5.


peace

HTC is the best

 

[dontsuspendme]

HTC is the best

Micromax>>>Samsung>>>iPhone>>>HTC

 

[Jf Thunder]

has already happened.

What Sharia is today is what Christian Europe was in medieval period.

They too were murdering nay butchering innocents in the name of blasted blasphemy. They too had stone-age hadood ordinances all over Europe

That was their pathetic Iphone-1


Then a revolution happened and they got rid of their archaic Mullathtic Pope-tic laws.

you all can't reinvent any forking wheel in Pakistan.

and forget about the forking Iphone-5.


peace

HTC is the best

Micromax>>>Samsung>>>iPhone>>>HTC

i hate you man, HTC > all

 

[vicky sen]

Micromax>>>Samsung>>>iPhone>>>HTC

No Samsung>>>Micromax>>>iPhone>>>HTC