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Should we rethink Kashmir?
I.A. REHMAN — PUBLISHED A DAY AGO
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PRIME MINISTER Nawaz Sharif has perhaps done all that he could to draw the international community’s attention to the Kashmiri people’s ordeal. He and members of his large entourage spoke of India-held Kashmir to whoever they met in New York.

By all accounts offered by our media services, the Kashmir mission, carried out with unusual vigour, went off well — this despite a slight slip while drafting the press release on the meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry and the attempt by Pakistan’s enemies to sabotage its efforts by attacking the Indian military camp at Uri.

But was the world listening?

The question is unavoidable in view of, among other things, the international community’s decision some years ago to delete the Kashmir issue from the list of its concerns. While voices may continue to be raised here and there in sympathy with the victims of oppression in any part of Jammu and Kashmir, the issue has been left to be resolved bilaterally by India and Pakistan. For many years now, the friends of India and Pakistan , and also of the people of Kashmir, have not gone beyond offering help to facilitate a negotiated settlement.

Pakistan’s establishment has traditionally held the view that large-scale disorder in the Kashmir valley, gross violations of human rights, or a popular uprising there will oblige the world community to intervene and help the Kashmiri people gain their rights. Despite being tested several times this thesis has not been confirmed. What will happen in future cannot be foretold, but political realism cautions against putting excessive reliance on the international community’s capacity to intervene effectively.

The whole of South Asia is paying heavily for the India-Pakistan confrontation.
Now that bilateral talks offer the only way to settle the Kashmir issue, Pakistan cannot but continue to give priority to efforts in that direction.

That India has responded with frenzied sabre-rattling, belatedly tempered with guile, is not surprising.

New Delhi justifies its horrible record in India-held Kashmir by arguing that it can make agitation in the valley prohibitively expensive. Further, it claims to possess the resources needed to absorb the cost of the Kashmiri operation. These arguments from the colonial rulers’ manual do little credit to India (or Pakistan, for that matter) after nearly 70 years of independence.

What India needs to ponder is the cost it is accepting for its policies in the long-term. It is asking its own people to sacrifice their rights to peace and prosperity for their state’s haughtiness or vanity. The whole of South Asia is paying heavily for the India-Pakistan confrontation. The hate campaign unleashed by irresponsible jingoists is threatening to destroy whatever is precious in the legacy of India’s sages and saints and in its forgotten creed of non-violence. Above all, India is ignoring the possibility that a genuinely reconciled Pakistan could support its bid to acquire its due place in the comity of nations instead of opposing it.

Notice must also be taken of India’s stock excuse for evading negotiations with Pakistan. Who, it is said in mock despair, should India talk to in Pakistan? The argument was irrelevant when Mr Nehru advanced it 50 years ago and it is irrelevant when it falls from Mr Modi’s mouth today.

What the sneer means is that, while in India the locus of authority is known and a relatively less privileged defence minister can sack a service chief, the government in Pakistan, even if it enjoys a large majority in parliament, is subject to the military’s veto.

This simplistic formulation may not always be valid, but assuming that it is a true reflection of Pakistan’s power structure, the inescapable conclusion is that India’s reliance on this argument in fact undermines an elected Pakistan government’s capacity to act for its people. It should not be difficult for the Indian politicians to realise that a democratic, non-theocratic Pakistan is the best neighbour they can ask for, just as a secular, democratic India is what Pakistan should wish to have by its side.

If Pakistan must do everything possible to find, through a peaceful and uninterrupted dialogue, solutions to its differences with India — because it needs its closest neighbour’s goodwill to a much greater extent than that of the ineffective religious groupings or self-centred big powers across the oceans — the argument is applicable to India too.

The writing on the wall is quite clear. Both India and Pakistan should scrape their conscience and ask themselves as to how long they want to see the flower of Kashmir cut down brutally in the street or entered into the list of enforced disappearances — and all this for the sake of their confrontation.

And should rethinking be limited to Kashmir?

The other day, four retired champions of the diplomatic processes pleaded, and rightly so, for reviewing Islamabad’s attitude towards Kabul and Washington. Perhaps the Pakistani people’s cup of misery needs to be filled up a little more to enable citizens of goodwill to call for a review of the policy of confrontation with India, which is becoming costlier and more meaningless by the day.

It is not necessary to enter into a controversy with Mr Modi over his threat to isolate Pakistan if we can stop isolating ourselves.

What Islamabad should be worried about is the fact that international public opinion is increasingly losing confidence in Pakistan’s ability to manage its affairs.

Why is the world bent upon painting Pakistan as a pariah?

What is it that has made our foes more strident in their hostility than ever before and reduced our friends to offering superficial platitudes in our favour?

The consequences of thoughtlessly wallowing in self-righteousness will be too grave to be entertained by any rational person.

Instead of waiting for the world to come to our rescue, we must resolve to pull ourselves out of the quagmire we have created by rearing the monster of bigotry and irrational violence within our polity. That is where the entire process of rethinking should start.


Published in Dawn September 29th, 2016

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I think the future of Kashmir will eventually be decided in the battleground as the two nations just cannot resolve the issue peacefully. They have been trying to resolve for 70 years and they will keep on resolving it for another 700 years.

The history of this Indian subcontinent suggests that it has always been changing the geographical boundaries every 100 years and the map of South Asia is likely to change once again as permanent solution. I am not advocating for war, I am always up for Peace and would encourage both nations to resolve the matter peacefully but the dynamics of politics of our region suggests its never going to be resolved on the table.
 
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I think the future of Kashmir will eventually be decided in the battleground as the two nations just cannot resolve the issue peacefully. They have been trying to resolve for 70 years and they will keep on resolving it for another 700 years.

The history of this Indian subcontinent suggests that it has always been changing the geographical boundaries every 100 years and the map of South Asia is likely to change once again as permanent solution. I am not advocating for war, I am always up for Peace and would encourage both nations to resolve the matter peacefully but the dynamics of politics of our region suggests its never going to be resolved on the table.

Hmm ..yeah ..but except one small little thing ...colonialism is dead ...all countries including the US are taking moral responsibility to uphold territorial integrity of Nation states.....my guess is that over the next 100 years, less than 1 percent of the change that happened over the previous 100 years will be be seen
 
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In the world of “Realpolitik” there is no such thing as right or wrong. Depending upon which end of the telescope you are looking at, everything and every action can be justified with the arguments. (Remember when in the Jutland war Nelson deliberately put the telescope to his blind eye and declared that I can’t see the flag signals).

I have always been of the opinion that policy of infiltrating the Jihadists from Azad Kashmir did the worst possible harm to the Kashmiri cause. Both the countries would continue sinking enormous sums in the military hardware instead of spending the same on economic well-being of the populace unless an out of the box solution can be found.

Musharraf tried to do it but failed. In my opinion if India goes back to her original commitment with the Sheikh Abdulla and reverts to a special status for Kashmir, the things will simmer down in the IOK.

However, I do realize that this is not likely to happen in my lifetime. After reading Indian newspapers and the rhetoric of the Indian journalists on the Indian TV programmes I realised that many replicas of Gen Hamid Gul; albeit in Indian colours; exist on the other side of the border. I fear an Indo-Pak full-fledged war is on the cards. Not a question of “if” but “when”. I don’t care about the Indians but I would not like to see the towns such as Lahore, Karachi, Sargodha and Faisalabad suffer nukes, therefore I pray that such war only happens after I am gone.

There is however always a slim hope that better sense would prevail and evenetually a peaceful solution would be found.
 
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Hmm ..yeah ..but except one small little thing ...colonialism is dead ...all countries including the US are taking moral responsibility to uphold territorial integrity of Nation states.....my guess is that over the next 100 years, less than 1 percent of the change that happened over the previous 100 years will be be seen
the probability is much higher. Look at some examples of Freedom movements around South Asia

  • Kashmir
  • Khalistan
  • Demand of separate nation for the people of Assam
  • For the people of Naga
  • Tripura
  • Balochistan
  • Tamil Tigers are dead but you never know about the uprising in future

Though the demand is very low for most of these movements but still you never know about future uprising. The map of Kashmir is bound to be changed one day as the present boundaries are not acceptable to any of the 3 major stakeholders. (The people of Kashmir, Pakistan and India). Other movements may ultimately die one day once the generation has passed
 
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Instead of waiting for the world to come to our rescue, we must resolve to pull ourselves out of the quagmire we have created by rearing the monster of bigotry and irrational violence within our polity. That is where the entire process of rethinking should start.

That is where the entire process of rethinking should start. But it won't. Because too much effort and time has been spent in creating the present situation. Pakistan is far more likely to double down on its Kashmir bet than it is to rethink anything, until the inevitable collapse of the whole strategy. There will be no war, as many claim, but a slow implosion. One could argue it is already underway.
 
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If God forbids war breaks out between India and Pakistan, the very first thing our country should do is to ban DAWN, Tribune, GEO.

These media outlets are a security risk and endangering lives of our soldiers by deliberately misleading news (generally, not specific to this piece).
 
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I think the future of Kashmir will eventually be decided in the battleground as the two nations just cannot resolve the issue peacefully. They have been trying to resolve for 70 years and they will keep on resolving it for another 700 years.

The history of this Indian subcontinent suggests that it has always been changing the geographical boundaries every 100 years and the map of South Asia is likely to change once again as permanent solution. I am not advocating for war, I am always up for Peace and would encourage both nations to resolve the matter peacefully but the dynamics of politics of our region suggests its never going to be resolved on the table.
Rather it will be a negotiated settlement. Battleground in current state of arms means MAD. The sooner both countries realize it, the better. Jammu and Kashmir are naturally divided based on religion with Kashmir valley being Muslim majority and Jammu being hindu majority territory. Both countries would have to let go of their hawks and start a serious negotiation about the future of Kashmir with Kashmiris on board.

the probability is much higher. Look at some examples of Freedom movements around South Asia

  • Kashmir
  • Khalistan
  • Demand of separate nation for the people of Assam
  • For the people of Naga
  • Tripura
  • Balochistan
  • Tamil Tigers are dead but you never know about the uprising in future

Though the demand is very low for most of these movements but still you never know about future uprising. The map of Kashmir is bound to be changed one day as the present boundaries are not acceptable to any of the 3 major stakeholders. (The people of Kashmir, Pakistan and India). Other movements may ultimately die one day once the generation has passed
Not sure about these but UK seems to be 2-3 years away from having Scotland parting ways from the Union.
 
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Rather it will be a negotiated settlement. Battleground in current state of arms means MAD. The sooner both countries realize it, the better. Jammu and Kashmir are naturally divided based on religion with Kashmir valley being Muslim majority and Jammu being hindu majority territory. Both countries would have to let go of their hawks and start a serious negotiation about the future of Kashmir with Kashmiris on board.


Not sure about these but UK seems to be 2-3 years away from having Scotland parting ways from the Union.
Not long ago... the people of Scotland opted to remain IN.

I won't be surprised if the map of UK stays in tact after 100 years... there is no state sponsored human rights violations being conducted in Scotland like in Indian occupied Kashmir
 
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Not long ago... the people of Scotland opted to remain IN.

I won't be surprised if the map of UK stays in tact after 100 years... there is no state sponsored human rights violations being conducted in Scotland like in Indian occupied Kashmir
They opted to remain with a UK which was within the EU. Now UK is going to be without EU. And not to mention how push for IN in Scotland obliterated pro UK forces in Scotalnd during the elections. Scots have historically had a strong affinity with EU, even more than UK.
 
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With the uprising in indian occupied Kashmir stronger than at any time in the last 30 years, now is the time to support the Kashmiris and oush forward our claim
I am guessing u were not alive in the 1980s-90s
If jihadis and huriat couldn't do shit then , it wont be able to do anything for the next 1000 years
 
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the probability is much higher. Look at some examples of Freedom movements around South Asia

  • Kashmir
  • Khalistan
  • Demand of separate nation for the people of Assam
  • For the people of Naga
  • Tripura
  • Balochistan
  • Tamil Tigers are dead but you never know about the uprising in future

Though the demand is very low for most of these movements but still you never know about future uprising. The map of Kashmir is bound to be changed one day as the present boundaries are not acceptable to any of the 3 major stakeholders. (The people of Kashmir, Pakistan and India). Other movements may ultimately die one day once the generation has passed

i agree ..other than kashmir, all of the other movements may fizzle out ...tamil nadu as a separate country fizzled out in 1950s itself ...and the sri lankan tamil issue is mostly dead ...SL tamils and sinhalas are embracing each other as one and working towards development
 
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With the uprising in indian occupied Kashmir stronger than at any time in the last 30 years, now is the time to support the Kashmiris and oush forward our claim
Dude why jump to horse once again. Did you get what the author wanted to say?


Kudos to those Highlighted parts by OP. Well thought article.

Even though I don't agree with his view that India should be in Non violence, should show aggression crap as its internal mater and political people's decisions on how India should be run. Nehru is the most pathetic thing to happen to our nation may it be in 1947/48 or till 1962. Sure our enemies like these kind of policies in India where Talks will take place no matter what. . . And we know what it means to our nation. People rejected these policies and installed Modi to be different. So it's upto Indians.

On article I want to sy few points too. Pakistan must do everything possible to find, through a peaceful and uninterrupted dialogue, solutions to its differences with India .

Well said. To start with this is what India want Pakistan to do.


But how will this happen :1) Indian government is very clear. Talk on Terror is the priority. How will Pakistan move across this issue? By supporting India and our sentiment to clear all terrorist diseases infiltrated in to Pakistan (am not saying it's Pakistan design but infiltrated with help of Saudis Iran Afghanistan America) . Once and for all put an end to this policy. You will see Pakistan starting to realize it's full potential. CPEC is just a beginning with partnership with China Pakistan will be needed more economical growth to pay back your debts. For this you need peaceful situation to do business.

2) On Kashmir : What is the issue here? Let's begin from UN resolution which was initiated by India. What that resolution states? It calls for Plebesite in kashmir. OK that's what Pakistan wants on record. For this to happen Pakistan should follow first 2 division of UN resolutions. Firstly remove all Ur troops from P... O.. K. Secondly İndia will have to place sufficient number for troops to defend itself from another Invasion by Ur Army. Third is where voting comes in.

Did Pakistan do that? No. So why? And why calling to 3rd law without completing first 2?. Even then due to Ur shimla agreement All issues should solved unilaterally by India and Pakistan including Kashmir. Which was agreed by both sides. By Indian PM and Pakistan PM buto. So why did Pakistan signed this agreement?

So UN now don't even take up UN resolution on Kashmir because for these reasons. Yet your PM goes to UN and ask for Plebesite? No one is gonna by .

So let's be sensible here. Start thinking about real issues of our people. We both have large population living without basic needs. And in Pakistan’s case lots more issues internally which challenges Ur national integrity. India had stable democracy and with stable economic stability m India is not of what it was in 1971. Even though we not not super power we fairly stands tall at global stage. So India can sustain this kashmir problem, proxy war etc. Even another military conflict between the two nuclear powers. Pakistan can you afford another war?
 
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  • Kashmir
  • Khalistan
  • Demand of separate nation for the people of Assam
  • For the people of Naga
  • Tripura
  • Balochistan
  • Tamil Tigers are dead but you never know about the uprising in future
From where you got tripura ........please study a little bit before posting or you are referring manipur
 
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