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Gareth Evans
Gareth Evans, former Foreign Minister of Australia (1988-1996) and President of the International Crisis Group, is currently Chancellor of the Australian National University and co-chairs the New York-based Global Center for the Responsibility to Protect and the Canberra-based Center for Nuclear Non-Proliferation and Disarmament.

MAR 26, 2013
Valuing the United Nations
MELBOURNE – There is nothing like exposure to smart and idealistic young people to make jaded and world-weary policymakers and commentators feel better about the future. I have just had that experience meeting delegates to the 22nd World Model United Nations Conference, which brought together in Australia more than 2,000 students from every continent and major culture to debate peace, development, and human rights, and the role of the UN in securing them.

What impressed me most is how passionately this generation of future leaders felt about the relevance and capacity of the UN system. They are right: the UN can deliver when it comes to national security, human security, and human dignity. But, as I told them, they have a big task of persuasion ahead of them.

No organization in the world embodies as many dreams, yet provides so many frustrations, as the United Nations. For most of its history, the Security Council has been the prisoner of great-power maneuvering; the General Assembly a theater of empty rhetoric; the Economic and Social Council a largely dysfunctional irrelevance; and the Secretariat, for all the dedication and brilliance of a host of individuals, alarmingly inefficient.

My own efforts to advance the cause of UN reform when I was Australia’s foreign minister were about as quixotic and unproductive as anything I have ever tried to do. Overhauling Secretariat structures and processes to reduce duplication, waste, and irrelevance? Forget it. Changing the composition of the Security Council to ensure that it began to reflect the world of the twenty-first century, not that of the 1950’s? No way.

But I have also had some exhilarating experiences of the UN at its best. The peace plan for Cambodia in the early 1990’s, for example, dragged the country back from hellish decades of horrifying genocide and ugly and protracted civil war. Likewise, the Chemical Weapons Convention, steered through the UN Conference on Disarmament in Geneva, is still the most robust arms-control treaty related to weapons of mass destruction ever negotiated.

Perhaps one experience stands out above all. In 2005, on the UN’s 60th anniversary, the General Assembly, convening at head of state and government level, unanimously endorsed the concept of states’ responsibility to protect populations at risk of genocide and other mass atrocity crimes. With that vote, the international community began to eradicate the shameful indifference that accompanied the Holocaust, Rwanda, Srebrenica, Darfur, and too many similar catastrophes.

What needs to be better understood publicly is just how many different roles the UN plays. The various departments, programs, organs, and agencies within the UN system address a broad spectrum of issues, from peace and security between and within states to human rights, health, education, poverty alleviation, disaster relief, refugee protection, trafficking of people and drugs, heritage protection, climate change and the environment, and much else. What is least appreciated of all is how cost-effectively these agencies – for all their limitations – perform overall, in both absolute and comparative terms.

The UN’s core functions – leaving aside peacekeeping missions but including its operations at its New York headquarters; at offices in Geneva, Vienna, and Nairobi; and at the five regional commissions around the world – now employ 44,000 people at a cost of around $2.5 billion a year. That might sound like a lot, but the Tokyo Fire Department spends about the same amount each year, and the Australian Department of Human Services spends $3 billion more (with less staff). And that’s just two departments in two of the UN’s 193 member states.

Even including related programs and organs (like the UN Development Program and the office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees), as well as peacekeeping activities (which involve more than 110,000 international military, police, and civilian personnel), the UN system’s total cost is still only around $30 billion a year. That is less than half the annual budget for New York City, and well under a third of the roughly $105 billion that the US military has been spending each year, on average, in Afghanistan. Wall Street employees received more in annual bonuses ($33.2 billion) in 2007, the year before the global financial meltdown.

The whole family of the UN Secretariat and related entities, together with current peacekeepers, adds up to around 215,000 people worldwide – not a small number, but less than one-eighth of the roughly 1.8 million staff employed by McDonald’s and its franchisees worldwide!

The bottom line, as the youngsters gathered in Melbourne fully understood, is that the UN provides fabulous value for what the world spends on it, and that if it ever ceased to exist, we would have to reinvent it. The downsides are real, but we need to remember the immortal words of Dag Hammarskjold, the UN’s second secretary-general: “The UN was created not to bring us to heaven, but to save us from hell.”

Gareth Evans

on Valuing the United Nations

- Project Syndicate



Read more at Gareth Evans

on Valuing the United Nations

- Project Syndicate
 
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If the US leave the UN, the UN will self disband, or self dissolve, however anyone want to look at it.

...the immortal words of Dag Hammarskjold, the UN’s second secretary-general: “The UN was created not to bring us to heaven, but to save us from hell.”
Sorry, Dag, but perhaps the UN has reached its zenith in terms of usefulness.

The world's functional democracies needs to get out of the UN and form their own alliance based upon shared values, not shared fears and threats, like the current UN is. We do not need the UN to prevent hell on Earth because in many countries, hell is already there. If it is argued that the UN contained those pockets of hell, then it can be argued that a powerful alliance of functional democracies will be able to do the same. If the world want a multi-polar socio-political environment, then disbanding the UN is the surest way to get that wish. An alliance of wealthy and sophisticated functional democracies on one side, and an alliance of poor and backward dictatorships on the other. The 'sides' here are notional and not geographical, of course. Immigration between the two sides would be strictly controlled, naturally. Although it would be odd if anyone would want to leave heaven and go to hell.

The US should either leave the UN, or at least eject the organization from our soil. Let a dictatorship host it. Given how corrupt and ineffective the UN proved over the decades, who asked the UN to leave the US and let him host it ?
 
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If the US leave the UN, the UN will self disband, or self dissolve, however anyone want to look at it.


Sorry, Dag, but perhaps the UN has reached its zenith in terms of usefulness.

The world's functional democracies needs to get out of the UN and form their own alliance based upon shared values, not shared fears and threats, like the current UN is. We do not need the UN to prevent hell on Earth because in many countries, hell is already there. If it is argued that the UN contained those pockets of hell, then it can be argued that a powerful alliance of functional democracies will be able to do the same. If the world want a multi-polar socio-political environment, then disbanding the UN is the surest way to get that wish. An alliance of wealthy and sophisticated functional democracies on one side, and an alliance of poor and backward dictatorships on the other. The 'sides' here are notional and not geographical, of course. Immigration between the two sides would be strictly controlled, naturally. Although it would be odd if anyone would want to leave heaven and go to hell.

The US should either leave the UN, or at least eject the organization from our soil. Let a dictatorship host it. Given how corrupt and ineffective the UN proved over the decades, who asked the UN to leave the US and let him host it ?

an alliance of wealth..... that already exists, in the form of US allies, and Nato allies.

and the UN's primary objective is often said to be, preventing great power wars. which it has done well enough. the UN isnt there to please you, it isnt a social club that only has people you like. its there as a platform where great powers can talk rather than automatically resort to war and give voice to blocks of smaller powers, the other stuff is just a bonus. and as it is the most universal of all international organizations, it legitimizes any outcome that arises from UN negotiations. your so called "alliance of wealthy and sophisticated functional democracies" would have no legitimacy to act outside of those states in the alliance, where as a UN security council resolution is about as legitimate as any international intervention could be. But yea, if you dont want to work with anyone and only want a group of yes men, then the UN is not for you. and if you think the world is hell right now, it would be far worst without a UN. furthermore, cutting off immigration is the fastest way the US has of losing it top scientists and designer, many of whom are immigrants or son/daughters of immigrants.

last note: many people would agree with you that the UN should be moved out of new york, this is a point we can agree on. preferably to somewhere neutral(antarctica sounds nice).
 
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an alliance of wealth..... that already exists, in the form of US allies, and Nato allies.

and the UN's primary objective is often said to be, preventing great power wars. which it has done well enough. the UN isnt there to please you, it isnt a social club that only has people you like. its there as a platform where great powers can talk rather than automatically resort to war and give voice to blocks of smaller powers, the other stuff is just a bonus. and as it is the most universal of all international organizations, it legitimizes any outcome that arises from UN negotiations. your so called "alliance of wealthy and sophisticated functional democracies" would have no legitimacy to act outside of those states in the alliance, where as a UN security council resolution is about as legitimate as any international intervention could be. But yea, if you dont want to work with anyone and only want a group of yes men, then the UN is not for you. and if you think the world is hell right now, it would be far worst without a UN. furthermore, cutting off immigration is the fastest way the US has of losing it top scientists and designer, many of whom are immigrants or son/daughters of immigrants.

last note: many people would agree with you that the UN should be moved out of new york, this is a point we can agree on. preferably to somewhere neutral(antarctica sounds nice).
As if the UN have any legitimacy today ? And please spare me any silly arguments about how America's scientific achievements came from only immigrants.

An alliance is not a group of 'yes men', but then again, I guess you would have no problems with a bunch of China's own 'yes men', no ? So do tell us, how many countries shares the same moral values as China ? But perhaps I am wrong here, China would definitely be the leader of an alliance of 'yes men' dictatorships. We wonder if YOU would leave the US for that paradise.
 
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An alliance of wealthy and sophisticated functional democracies on one side, and an alliance of poor and backward dictatorships on the other. The 'sides' here are notional and not geographical, of course. Immigration between the two sides would be strictly controlled, naturally. Although it would be odd if anyone would want to leave heaven and go to hell.
Are you on crack? Most of the world's demorappy are poor such as Latin America, Mexico, Carribean, Africa, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Iraq, Afganistan. Over 3 billions of democraps there, private. Will you let those democrappy join you or are you going to discriminate them?:omghaha:
 
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As if the UN have any legitimacy today ? And please spare me any silly arguments about how America's scientific achievements came from only immigrants.

An alliance is not a group of 'yes men', but then again, I guess you would have no problems with a bunch of China's own 'yes men', no ? So do tell us, how many countries shares the same moral values as China ? But perhaps I am wrong here, China would definitely be the leader of an alliance of 'yes men' dictatorships. We wonder if YOU would leave the US for that paradise.
a nation of yes men, I always wondered about this, you should be someone who at least have some experience in the world.

Have you spent time with more than 5 people at a time? Can you get them to agree on everything? Or even somethings?


Also, since France questioned the Iraq war, what was the American response? I was there.

China is authoritarian democracy, not a dictatorship, it may sound weird or impossible, but that's only because English can't translate it. If you don't understand Chinese it's hard to explain, because the word democracy and authoritarian is different than the West. English doesn't have the right word, because the Western system of government never had a similar system, it's from Aristocratic rule, where noble birth is key that China discarded some 2000 years ago, to complete democracy and abolishing of privilege(or at least a reshuffle and less barrier to entry).


China isn't the USSR, the USSR is sort of seen as gloomy and while a military power house not so much an economic miracle. China is every bit as much and more of an economic power as the US, there still needs to be much work, but the signs are there. So while you may think China will be the same as USSR where we will rule over the third world, but here's where you are wrong, because we will break into the developed world in no more than 15 years. You don't need to believe me, I'm sure you can live another 15 to see it yourself.
 
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Yes it should, it's a tool to declare everybody terrorist and put people under embargo, even Russia

So JEW USA can loot everything after
 
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Although UN is not as influencial as we wish, it has helped in avoiding wars. The unprecedented level of peace in most parts of the world can be partially attributed to this club.
 
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What would happen to the Kashmir Resolution than ????
 
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What would happen to the Kashmir Resolution than ????
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Are you on crack? Most of the world's demorappy are poor such as Latin America, Mexico, Carribean, Africa, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Iraq, Afganistan. Over 3 billions of democraps there, private. Will you let those democrappy join you or are you going to discriminate them?:omghaha:
Are you stupid ? Must be.

An alliance is INHERENTLY discriminatory. North Korea called itself "Democratic People's Republic of Korea", so does that mean we have to admit NKR just because of that 'Democratic' tag ?

Like I said often: Communism do make people stupid.

And YOU are the proof. :lol:
 
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