SHOULD RAW BE BROUGHT UNDER JPC CONTROL?

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

RAW was formed in 1968 by bifircating IB. the agency was headed by late Rameshwar Nath Kao, a person considered father of RAW. the main task of RAW was to collect external intelligence by overt and covert means. with in just three years of existence, the agency played a excellent role in 1971 war and helped in the creation of independent state of bangladesh.

RAW continued to grow in 70s and its growth was only curbed by morarji desai to some extent as he believed that certain RAW officials had carried out political spying during emergency. however as soon as indira ghandhi came to power, RAW once again started to grow as organisation. Indira ghandhi and rajiv ghandhi worked hard to improve the operational efficiency of RAW and same continued in early 90s. it was during period of PM gujral, that covert action capabilities of RAW were dismantled. RAW since then is desperatly trying to regain those capabilities.

what i would like to know from members, is whether they are in favour of RAW coming under JPC. historically RAW has been answerable only to PMs. PMs have removed/transeferred/selected secreatary RAW on their personal choices. There have been several instances where a person was selected or promoted based on personal preferences.

in this type of environment, the professional capability of any organisation gets hampered as the head of organisation is at mercy of politician. wouldnt it be a better idea to get RAW under a JPC? even a parliamentary committe of intelligence can be formed to look after the administartive and operational aspects of RAW. This way the organisation is answerable and cannot shy away from its inadequacies. There is also continuity of thought in operations and continuity is maintained even if the govt changes at centre.

Guys what do u think? do share u r ideas.

P.S. a word for trollers/false flag ones, this thread is not discuss merits/demerits of RAW. pls stick to topic.

 

[Jigs]

Hmmm wrong section. Indian section is one up.

 

[Whiplash]

Are you mad? Pretty soon RAW will have to take permission from babus to carry out covert missions. Even in the biggest democracy it is better that not everything is in full control of the civilian government.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

my apologies (i must have been really high on caffeine and nicotine), Mods please put the thread in indian section, thanx in advance.

 

[Markus]

it was during period of PM gujral, that covert action capabilities of RAW were dismantled. RAW since then is desperatly trying to regain those capabilities.

Before we start any serious discussion on this topic, I just want to say something for the above.

How one useless son of a b@@@@@ ruined of what could have become one true ace agency.

This is what happens when ppl fail to select the correct party and the correct man for the topmost post.

Guys, in the next election, stick to either Congress OR BJP but dont let any other moronic party come to power.

 

[Marxist]

whats next CAG to monitor R&AW'S expenses ?,PAC ?

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

Are you mad? Pretty soon RAW will have to take permission from babus to carry out covert missions. Even in the biggest democracy it is better that not everything is in full control of the civilian government.

but why, CIA is responsible to senate committe on intelligence. same is the case with mossad. why r we afraid? it will only improve operational efficiency as now agency will be accountable to whole country through a JPC which will have members from all major parties.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

whats next CAG to monitor R&AW'S expenses ?,PAC ?

wouldnt u like to know how the agency is spending tax payer's money. i can quote several examples where the money was not used properly. i agree CAG/PAC is not feasible but a JPC is a good idea.

 

[Christian]

In a way it would be beneficial to RAW to come under the JPC..but this is just theoretical. We all know about the extent of corruption, hierarchy politics, criminals within the indian politics. Why bring them out in the open where any moron in the JPC can scrutinize them?. RAW has pretty much regained their capabilities as of late, and its unlikely its going to be dismantled soon since we are facing threats from pakistanis and idk...china?!.

Furthermore i would go ahead and say the decision to dismantle RAW's covert capabilities during THAT TIME AND PERIOD was the right decision. The converse would obviously result in us going down to the same pit our green neighbor is in. RAW needed to be defanged then simply because we needed to avert the danger of a monstrosity similar to the ISI raising its head in India, and interfering in the internal policies.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

In a way it would be beneficial to RAW to come under the JPC..but this is just theoretical. We all know about the extent of corruption, hierarchy politics, criminals within the indian politics. Why bring them out in the open where any moron in the JPC can scrutinize them?. RAW has pretty much regained their capabilities as of late, and its unlikely its going to be dismantled soon since we are facing threats from pakistanis and idk...china?!.

Furthermore i would go ahead and say the decision to dismantle RAW's covert capabilities during THAT TIME AND PERIOD was the right decision. The converse would obviously result in us going down to the same pit our green neighbor is in. RAW needed to be defanged then simply because we needed to avert the danger of a monstrosity similar to the ISI raising its head in India, and interfering in the internal policies.

i do not agree. do u really how much time is taken to cultivate a source and maintain it. it takes years of effort to cultivate sources. the capability was dismantled and we lost lots and lots of good sources who could have given us valuable information. may be who knows even kargil could have been prevented.

no organisation in the world wants to lose that capability and why it happened because RAW was under PMO had it been under JPC surely some person from other party would have objected to it.

 

[KS]

RAW should only be accountable to the PMO and not one extra soul. Period.

Too many cooks spoil the broth.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

RAW should only be accountable to the PMO and not one extra soul. Period.

Too many cooks spoil the broth.

what if that prime minister decides to dismantle or reduce its capabilities again? he would not be able to do that if it under JPC.

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

but why, CIA is responsible to senate committe on intelligence. same is the case with mossad. why r we afraid? it will only improve operational efficiency as now agency will be accountable to whole country through a JPC which will have members from all major parties.

Unlike US & Israeli politicians, Indian politicians are corrupt there is a possibility of a double agent in the JPC.It will destroy the effectiveness of R&AW.

 

[Frank Martin]

Noooo...never..not at all

 

[arihant]

RAW should be free from politics. Already Raw is under MMS, SG and RG. Now, they want LKD and SS.