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Should Pakistan try to obtain the Su-25 Aircraft for the CAS and COIN Role?

Should Pakistan try to obtain the Su-25 Aircraft for the CAS and COIN Role?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 14.0%
  • No

    Votes: 49 86.0%

  • Total voters
    57

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With the draw-down in Afghanistan expected over the next 15 months, the threat of ISIS and other insurgents attacking Pakistani posts along the border and inside of Pakistan may increase. To counter this threat, Pakistan could use its JF-17s for precision bombing and its K-8 for limited CAS, but the threat of enemy fire could damage these planes, which were not designed for this role.

While the first rebuttal to such a proposal will be cost. As stated in this old thread.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/su-25-attack-aircraft.82315/

The SU-25 not only gave deliver a punch, but take one as well. It was designed as a tank killer, so along with dealing with irregular forces, it can be used to repel a limited conventional attack by our eastern neighbor, especially if used in conjunction with EW JF-17s as top cover.

The Su-25 is a 50 year old design, and has recently been battle tested in Syria over the last few years. New Weapons and tactics will also be available to maximize its utility. Russia maybe willing to share its knowledge for a price or an arms sale of PGMs.

The Ukrainians are a Pakistani ally, and have sold 3-4 Su-25s (from their reserve stockpile of 30) to Macedonia. Should Pakistan approach them to buy, a decent number, such as 24 su-25s with a promise for a SU-25 refurbishment contract?

To make up for numbers beyond these 24 Su-25s, PAF fleet of JF-17s can be used from standoff ranges with PGMs. The Su-25s will really be used to get in close, and make sure effective firepower is used on enemy forces, and civilians are not harmed as much as possible.

The pilots need to be protected adequately, and the plane needs to fly for a long endurance to pick off targets of opportunity. It's ability to fly from unprepared fields will allow it to follow the troops any where they travel, shortening reaction times.

Buying from Ukraine opens up the option to customize the planes to use our munitions or any other munition open to us. for example, Arming them with modern precision rockets such as the Turkish one will minimize the cost over using expensive missiles like the hellfire, and allow more rockets to be carried, so more targets an be engaged in a single sortie.

 
No sir, we should develop our own solution for our own particular needs. Su25 is an excellent CAS fighter but it is old and it will require a lot of infrastructure ..and hence no.

But we should design our own based on JF17 but twin engine i.e. two RD93s or whatever block-III will use. CAS is designed to be low speed, sturdy that can fly at lower altitude. It is designed to take advantage of the air cushion. Two engines are required for survivability and mounted above the wings to avoid breathing in the debris etc. Also, it has to carry a lot ammo i.e. ATGM anti-tanks and anti-armour missiles, heavier cannons with lots of rounds. The pilot cabin/canopy is hardened and hence it is heavier construction for maximum survivability. Since it does not have to fly at supersonic speeds, it does not have to have swept back wings and hence more lift.

A-10 thunderbolt is a very nice option but in modern day we can achieve the same capability through alternatives
 
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With the draw-down in Afghanistan expected over the next 15 months, the threat of ISIS and other insurgents attacking Pakistani posts along the border and inside of Pakistan may increase. To counter this threat, Pakistan could use its JF-17s for precision bombing and its K-8 for limited CAS, but the threat of enemy fire could damage these planes, which were not designed for this role.

While the first rebuttal to such a proposal will be cost. As stated in this old thread.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/su-25-attack-aircraft.82315/

The SU-25 not only gave deliver a punch, but take one as well. It was designed as a tank killer, so along with dealing with irregular forces, it can be used to repel a limited conventional attack by our eastern neighbor, especially if used in conjunction with EW JF-17s as top cover.

The Su-25 is a 50 year old design, and has recently been battle tested in Syria over the last few years. New Weapons and tactics will also be available to maximize its utility. Russia maybe willing to share its knowledge for a price or an arms sale of PGMs.

The Ukrainians are a Pakistani ally, and have sold 3-4 Su-25s (from their reserve stockpile of 30) to Macedonia. Should Pakistan approach them to buy, a decent number, such as 24 su-25s with a promise for a SU-25 refurbishment contract?

To make up for numbers beyond these 24 Su-25s, PAF fleet of JF-17s can be used from standoff ranges with PGMs. The Su-25s will really be used to get in close, and make sure effective firepower is used on enemy forces, and civilians are not harmed as much as possible.

The pilots need to be protected adequately, and the plane needs to fly for a long endurance to pick off targets of opportunity. It's ability to fly from unprepared fields will allow it to follow the troops any where they travel, shortening reaction times.

Buying from Ukraine opens up the option to customize the planes to use our munitions or any other munition open to us. for example, Arming them with modern precision rockets such as the Turkish one will minimize the cost over using expensive missiles like the hellfire, and allow more rockets to be carried, so more targets an be engaged in a single sortie.


Its better to have attack helicopters then that bird, if US is willing to prove A-10s for free then its OK to have them.
 
I think we should gforo mig29 rather than su25 as nkorea is also using it as their main fighterjet
 
Personally I think the K-8 role could do that role like another member said. K-8 has 4 pylons that can carry 250kg bombs each and a 23mm gun pod. If laser guided bombs could be integrated in 250kg class and possibly a targeting pod it would make a great CAS jet. Even without a targeting pod, if the target could be designated by ground laser designator it would work just as well. What weapons do ISIS or insurgents have that can shoot down a plane at 30000 feet?

Its a F-5 and a game but same concept about LGBs. Skip to about 5:40.
 
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Personally I think the K-8 role could do that role like another member said. K-8 has 4 pylons that can carry 250kg bomba each and a 23mm gun pod. If laser guided bombs could be integrated in 250kg class and possibly a targeting pod it would make a great CAS jet. Even without a targeting pod, if the target could be designated by ground laser designator it would work just as well.

Its a F-5 and a game but same concept about LGBs.
Intersting
 
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