Should Pakistan act against the Taliban and Kashmiri groups simultaneously?

[DarkStar]

There are endless threads discussing same thing over and over again, the bottom line is you can consider them as freedom fighters, but once they cross over the LOC, they are fair target pratice!!!

In all honesty, they are a bit more than 'target practice'. Infact, they seem to go there to practice some of their own targetting skills.

 

[Omar1984]

Pakistan wil always take the side of Kashmiris over Indians. The person who started this thread is crazy to think that Pakistanis would ever fight against Kashmiris. Pakistan never fought against Kashmiris and never will. We will always support their freedom struggle that was our promise to them over 60 years ago and we will continue to support them against the Indian aggressors.

 

[sergente rehan]

So Kashmiris "desire" to be slaughtered in the hands of maniacs, who kill in the name of god?

i think you misunderstood everything because of your media.

It's indian army who's violating every Kashmiri basic human right. every day indian army killed several innocent Kashmiries and espescially during the detention they always killed the poor innocent in jail. read also the international news rath to read only indians.

Kashmiris want to be with India, 60% voter turn out despite boycott calls prove that. Its high time you quit crying over Kashmir, because you are not even gonna get a pie of India's sovereign territory, despite waging the 3 wars on the same issue and losing them.

Oh really?? i think you must read some international forums and listen to all those Kashmiries, they were never with India and 98% of Kashmiries are Muslims, after indian army opressed them from past 60 years you still think that they will go with India? stop avoiding the truth and face the facts.

Kashmiris are Indians, and hence have all the right to vote in a democracy like they did last year, sending shockwaves throught Pakistan.

Ask a Kashmiri who he is? the answer would be i'm a Muslim Kashmiri. where did India come out?
and stop singing songs of your fake democracy...if yo really heard the news (not indian news) but international news you would see that indian army was forcing people to get to the poling stations and vote! only 20% of the whole kashmiries get to the poling stations (forced by indian army). yeah a great example of democracy!!

UNSC resolution is a thing of the past, and has never been binding on India.

thing of past?? when it's comes to the fundamental righ of Kashmiries it's become a thing of past....who you are trying to delude?!

the real answer is that even you know the result if you ever held a free clear elections in Kashmire.

The answer is yes. It should act on both if it wants peace in the subcontinent. And things like Kargil, are only gonna hurt Pakistan more than India.

If we want peace in the subcontinent then first give all the rights to Kashmiries, stop anti-Pakistan propaganda and supporting terrorism against Pakistan then face the facts rather to going to internional comunity crying everytime.

 

[Omar1984]

BTW TTP Taliban are a totally different group from Kashmiri groups.

I suggest everyone to view the following threads:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-terror/21546-ttp-warns-let-pro-pakistan-tribal-elders-attacks.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-terror/21846-taliban-threatens-anti-india-groups.html

No Pakistani is ever going to fight any Kashmiri, thats what India wants us to do.

 

[wtf]

Who accuses that Pakistan is still supporting any such group? Why would Pakistan support such groups when these suicidal maniacs are threatening the very existence and fabric of our land? On the contrary, it only makes sense for the anti-Pakistan elements to support such groups in order to fuel more unrest and instability. Pakistan isn't supporting any such group. It doesn't have any purpose or stake in doing so. Yes, the Kashmiri struggle is legit and will continue even if Pakistan backtracks. Don't expect any peace unless India removes the occupied forces from the land of the Kashmiri's.

I don't believe Pakistan currently supports terrorists.I am just saying that Musharraf admitted that it did in the past. It has no bearing on the present or the future. Zardari even called any officials who supports them "rogues". I absolutely believe that the position of diplomatic support without armed support as fully morally defensible and practiced by many nations.


Don't expect the same views on Kashmir from me as from a Pakistani, but I am willing to be as honest and willing to change as anyone else.

I think the thread is about whether Pakistan should treat the terrorists as same as Taliban and whether Pakistan can fight Kashmiri terrorists while at the same time providing moral support to "Kashmiri cause". Will it be possible for Pakistan to win Kashmir and lose NWFP ?

 

[wtf]

It would be akin to suicide, for Pakistan to open a new front by tackling Kashmiri militants. Apart from harkat/jaish, the others can be expected to resist the Taliban advance.

Who are the other armed groups that fight for Kashmir other than Harkat/Jaish ? LeT ? LeT afaik is anti-Pak as much as Jaish is.

Who are the groups you expect to stop Taliban ? JKLF/Hurriyat Conference ? They no longer have large caches of weaponry anymore and are participating in Indian elections. How are they going to fight Taliban which is now in NWFP/Afghanistan ?

 

[Omar1984]

I don't believe Pakistan currently supports terrorists.I am just saying that Musharraf admitted that it did in the past. It has no bearing on the present or the future. Zardari even called any officials who supports them "rogues". I absolutely believe that the position of diplomatic support without armed support as fully morally defensible and practiced by many nations.


Don't expect the same views on Kashmir from me as from a Pakistani, but I am willing to be as honest and willing to change as anyone else.

I think the thread is about whether Pakistan should treat the terrorists as same as Taliban and whether Pakistan can fight Kashmiri terrorists while at the same time providing moral support to "Kashmiri cause". Will it be possible for Pakistan to win Kashmir and lose NWFP ?

This so called TTP Taliban threatened to fight Kashmiri groups including "LeT' who you guys blame for Mumbai attacks. Its obvious whose side TTP is on and whose side Kashmiris are on. Kashmiri groups even tried to stop people from fighting Pakistani army. They are true patriots, no Pakistani will ever harm them.

Its TTP Taliban that deserves to be killed and dont say that whole NWFP are TTP supporters because you are wrong. NWFP is one of the 4 provinces of Pakistan and will always stay part of Pakistan. There are some members in this forum from NWFP and they are patriotic Pakistanis. Kashmir is currently a disputed territory but we will always stand by our promise and will always support our Kashmiri brothers and sisters.

 

[A1Kaid]

First of all it is not the Kashmiri militants who are attacking Pakistan, it is Taliban militants and Taliban affiliates who are harming Pakistan.

Therefore Pakistan should cripple hostile forces, and befriend and ally with friendly forces in this case Kashmiri Mujahideen. Difference between the Kashmiri Mujahideen is tremendous compared to the Taliban.

1. The Kashmiri Mujahideen (mainstream freedom fighters) don't attack schools, they also allow young children (females) to attend school.

2. The K-M are fighting to liberate Kashmir from a oppressive foreign occupying force. Taliban at least the ones in Swat, and NWFP are oppressing locals not freeing them.

3. K-M are mostly Pro-Pakistan, even more Pro-Kashmiri. So they don't mean harm to Pakistan.

4. They are mostly fighting against Indian occupying forces not attacking civilians. It is the Indians who do that.

5. Overall, a free and prosperous Kashmir is in Pakistan's interest and in any good Musulman's interest, even any decent human being.

Kashmiri Mujahideen must be supported they are a noble group fighting for a noble cause. However, Taliban should be crushed.

 

[wtf]

This so called TTP Taliban threatened to fight Kashmiri groups including "LeT' who you guys blame for Mumbai attacks. Its obvious whose side TTP is on and whose side Kashmiris are on. Kashmiri groups even tried to stop people from fighting Pakistani army. They are true patriots, no Pakistani will ever harm them.

Why does Pakistan call LeT as a terrorist group then ?

Lashkar-e-Taiba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BaburCM]

Why does Pakistan call LeT as a terrorist group then ?

Lashkar-e-Taiba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After the latest pressure applied by the US the GoP has decided to change its tone. The Indians used the Mumbai attacks to blame it on LeT and defame their freedom struggle. The GoP is making a huge mistake and will only cause harm to themselves by labelling the LeT as terrorists.

 

[SSGPA1]

Who are the other armed groups that fight for Kashmir other than Harkat/Jaish ? LeT ? LeT afaik is anti-Pak as much as Jaish is.

Who are the groups you expect to stop Taliban ? JKLF/Hurriyat Conference ? They no longer have large caches of weaponry anymore and are participating in Indian elections. How are they going to fight Taliban which is now in NWFP/Afghanistan ?

There are many Kshimiri out fits but you only know these because they are more prominent.

Kashmiris are taking part in elections because they want to go to the Indian Parliament and say "Freeeeeeeeeeedom"

Strategy is to make sure that Kashmiris have tried all roads but Indians don't want to grant the right of freedom to Kashmiris.

So you should ponder about that time instead of comparing two completely different movements!

 

[wtf]

After the latest pressure applied by the US the GoP has decided to change its tone. The Indians used the Mumbai attacks to blame it on LeT and defame their freedom struggle. The GoP is making a huge mistake and will only cause harm to themselves by labelling the LeT as terrorists.

Actually LeT was banned in 2002 after the parliament attacks. They also took sides against GoP on Lal Masjid.

 

[Patriot]

Pakistan would do a very bad mistake by opening double fronts.Let these groups die on their own.Slowly cut their funding sources but don't mess with BLA or These Gorups right now.Right now we should worry about Talibans only.

 

[PeacefulIndian]

Pakistan would do a very bad mistake by opening double fronts.Let these groups die on their own.Slowly cut their funding sources but don't mess with BLA or These Gorups right now.Right now we should worry about Talibans only.

This is precisely the point Gary Kasparov raised to Gen Musharraf when he was in India. While Musharraf equated Terror to a tree, Kasparov questioned Pakistani strategy of watering the tree. Probably what you suggest is what India wants Pakistan to do. Not necessarily a full blown war against militatnt groups like Jaish, Let, JuD or whatever they are called today, but just cut the water supply. And recognize that they are no 'non state actors' as you advertise.

 

[PeacefulIndian]

Pakistan would do a very bad mistake by opening double fronts.Let these groups die on their own.Slowly cut their funding sources but don't mess with BLA or These Gorups right now.Right now we should worry about Talibans only.

And by the way, your posts in this thread have made a lot of sense to me. Thanks.