Should India resort to Propaganda and Deceptive warfare on Large Scale?

[Koovie]

I meant that we should pretend that we have already developed and deployed AMCA and AURA.

I am talking about your accusation of the Chinese making fake planes.

 

[IND151]

The thing is with the Chinese, they have a habit of revealing almost complete systems of rumoured projects. You have to admire the no-nonsense way the Chinese get things done. Call them whatever you want...liars, cheaters, copycats, etc. but they get things done, which when it comes to national defence, is all that matters. Being the good guy or taking the moral high road don't mean jack if you can't make the systems you need to protect your country. China can pretty much meet all their own defence requirements now. Even the pesky jet engine problem is easing as WS-10 starts rolling out on Chinese jets. Being self-sufficient is what all countries should strive for.

You are forgetting that they are under arms embargo, which is not the case with us.

If we copy the foreign weapons, western nations will not offer latest weapons like they do now.

 

[Thorough Pro]

What? Isn't India involved in propaganda war already against all it' neighbours? What more do you guys want to do?
Go ape-shit-crazy?

 

[IND151]

I am talking about your accusation of the Chinese making fake planes.

China has posted several artcles about UCAVs and calims that several adfacned weapons including many type of UCAVs are under development.

Even US does not have that many type of UCAVs under development despite having over 4 times defense budget than that of China.


Views of Psychological Warfare in Modern China

Both Western and Chinese historians have concluded that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) effectively used psychological warfare against their nationalist opponents during the Chinese civil war. The communists knew their nationalist opponents and the terrain intimately, thus fulfilling the first essential precondition for action. They also had considerable ability to control the flow of information. In the end game that led to the final communist victory in 1949, communist leaders exploited nationalist beliefs that their opponents were stupid, cowardly, weak and in retreat, and then used a complex blend of maneuver, propaganda and rumors, while maintaining secrecy, to encourage nationalist leaders to split their army and attack from the wrong direction.11

The relative isolation of China from the West from the 1950s through the 1970s provided little opportunity for deception in day-to-day, government-to-government issues. However, in a broader perspective, much of the propaganda directed against Moscow and Washington during the 1960s and 1970s after the Sino-Soviet split appears to have been primarily a deterrence strategy aimed at achieving long-term behavior modification in a form of psychological warfare.12 China had lost its major ally and lay weakened by the economic chaos and internal political struggles of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. The propaganda of that period was one element of a successful national strategy that kept both potential adversaries at bay while gradually engineering the rapprochement with the United States that resulted in readmission to the United Nations and diplomatic recognition by Washington. In 1981, Harlan Jencks predicted that as China expanded contact with the outside world and gained more "foreknowledge" of potential adversaries, China would likely use deception more frequently and effectively.

Since the late 1970s, China has focused on building up its national strength, wealth, international prestige and power. Tens of thousands of China's brightest students have studied abroad, the largest number in the United States. Thousands of official, academic and business-oriented Chinese delegations travel abroad annually. The global village of the electronic age, from CNN to the Internet, has provided China with unprecedented access to knowledge about the world. Thus, the essential precondition for action and foreknowledge, has become a concrete reality.

Moreover, the world media is now presenting China as a far stronger nation than at any time in the last two centuries. Although Chinese official spokesmen often critique the Western press as being anti-China, in fact a drumbeat of positive press emphasizes China's growing economic and military strength. One of the earliest examples of this genre coincided with the US election in November 1992, that The Economist predicted if China's economy continued to grow at the same rate for the next 20 years that it had over the previous 14, it would become the largest on earth.13 A year later, former New York Times Beijing Bureau Chief Nicholas Kristof published an article in Foreign Affairs titled "The Rise of China," predicting that within a decade China's "rapidly improving army" might have the strength "to resolve old quarrels in its favor."14 In the war of words, such appraisals are considerable force multipliers.

New Proposals for Psychological Warfare

A recent Chinese proposal to promote psychological warfare revealed the military implications of media-control programs. The details are laid out in a November 1994 article in the Liberation Army Daily, the flagship publication of the Chinese People's Liberation Army. The article, written by Liu Yinchao, PLA 65th Group Army commander, states that psychological warfare is now the "fourth kind of warfare," after ground, sea and air warfare.34 Liu indicated that psychological warfare will play a major role in China's strategic policy in the new era. While the article appears to be a proposal, the fact that it appeared in the Liberation Army Daily, and Liu's senior status in the PLA strongly implies that the ideas have complete official support.

Liu outlines four basic objectives of psychological warfare:

• To attack and influence the target's policy makers, causing their position to waver and make them choose a policy which is in fact disadvantageous to themselves.
• [ I believe what is happening on our eastern border i.e intrusions is part of this.]
• To instill fear and awe in the minds of enemy soldiers, destroy their mental equilibrium and boost the morale of one's own troops.
• To create panic among the adversary's civilian population by inducing fear of war, war weariness and antiwar feelings.
• To obtain the sympathy and support of neutral states, solidify coalitions among allied states and strengthen the desire for victory in one's own country.

Comparing the psychological warfare of earlier times with the modern era, Liu proposes that psychological warfare should now be carried out across the spectrum of national activities, including strategy, military technology, politics, diplomacy, religion, economics and propaganda and should use every available means to demonstrate national strength. In addition, increased military strength and technological capability are required to support psychological warfare and will serve as deterrents. In future wars, the overall distribution of power will play a major role, while actual engagement will play a relatively small role. The special characteristics of warfare in the future will be long distances and high speed.

Modern communications technology, which keeps the battlefield commander informed of major political and diplomatic developments and military movements, can also be harnessed to raise the influential power and deceptiveness of psychological warfare operations. Higher-speed, more destructive precision weapons enhance psychological warfare's deterrence and coerciveness. Liu suggests that the PLA develop a psychological warfare doctrine, adopt enhanced training and carry out supporting research to build up an elite cadre of specially trained personnel and psychological warfare units assigned to the group armies and divisions. Using new communications technology, they would be linked by a psychological warfare command system network. Liu further proposes enhanced training programs in which troops incorporate psychological warfare operations during live-fire exercises.

Although Liu's article stresses incorporating modern weapons and communications technology into the development of psychological warfare doctrine, traditional Chinese views on strategy and deception support his proposal. Liu emphasizes the objective of forming a force to defeat others without fighting. In his view, the traditional axiom that "it is better to attack the enemy's mind than to attack his fortified cities" will still be the "infallible law" of the military strategist.

Another byline article in the October 1996 Liberation Army Daily reiterates these views. This article notes that although the "content" of US psychological warfare during the Gulf War differed from that used by China, the forms are similar. The author also stresses that China should learn how to apply psychological warfare techniques within the realm of information warfare.35


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No ways I don't wanna be embarrassed when an enemy comments on sick fakes. I feel sorry for Iranis, they must be so humiliated after the qaher plastic model fiasco. :s

 

[nair]

To all Indian members.

We know that China has huge propaganda machinery and is playing deception too.

But we can do so too, on large scale.

We can pretend that we have successfully developed AURA and AMCA, make fake but real size models of them, take their photos and post them on net, through anonymous bloggers.

Then we can spread rumors that they already have been deployed on selected bases.

We can also pretend that we have developed hyper sonic cruise missile with 1,000 KM range.

Such tactics even if not fully successful, will have impact on psyche of our enemies.

It will benefit us hugely I think.

Discuss this idea guys.

Well My answer is a Big Fat No....... Because....

We are very different from china, and they way we criticise our government or agencies, no one does. Our media is soo strong that it will be very difficult to keep it float......

But then the question is what is the guarantee that we are not doing it already?

 

[seven7seven]

You are forgetting that they are under arms embargo, which is not the case with us.

If we copy the foreign weapons, western nations will not offer latest weapons like they do now.

Sometimes, I honestly think an arms embargo would help a country like India. When you get thrown into the deep end of the pool, you have no choice but to learn how to swim or else you'd sink.

 

[nair]

Sometimes, I honestly think an arms embargo would help a country like India. When you get thrown into the deep end of the pool, you have no choice but to learn how to swim or else you'd sink.

That is what made ISRO an a capable organisation........

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Yes, they do due to the overwhelming military might of India compared to Pakistan. It is just another example of a larger nation enveloping the rights of a smaller nation all in the name of justice and national pride. India isn't the first to practise this, so I don't blame you.

What rights? It's been 60 years and you guys can't even get a government to work properly.

 

[atatwolf]

Chinese is paper tiger. They deceive but they only deceive themselves... more precisely their own population so they won't revolt.

India doesn't need to do that. India is a self confident country. Only countries lead by fear resort to paper tiger productions.

 

[sincity]

Chinese is paper tiger. They deceive but they only deceive themselves... more precisely their own population so they won't revolt.

India doesn't need to do that. India is a self confident country. Only countries lead by fear resort to paper tiger productions.

Then you should take up arm and go to China to test out what China military have in store for you. Take you best shot and try to liberate your Ughur brotherhood.

 

[third eye]

To all Indian members.

We know that China has huge propaganda machinery and is playing deception too.

But we can do so too, on large scale.

We can pretend that we have successfully developed AURA and AMCA, make fake but real size models of them, take their photos and post them on net, through anonymous bloggers.

Then we can spread rumors that they already have been deployed on selected bases.

We can also pretend that we have developed hyper sonic cruise missile with 1,000 KM range.

Such tactics even if not fully successful, will have impact on psyche of our enemies.

It will benefit us hugely I think.

Discuss this idea guys.

Do you play cards ? Good old Teen Patti ..?

Life & intl politics is pretty much the same.. people play ' blind' moves without seeing their cards leaving others in doubt with what you may have.

Two things matter - confidence & reputation.

All nations do this.

 

[atatwolf]

Then you should take up arm and go to China to test out what China military have in store for you. Take you best shot and try to liberate your Ughur brotherhood.

I bet Turkey and Japan already made a plan how to slice the Chinese pie. If you get the choice, you should choose self sacrifise for the Japanese emperor instead of execution. Make yourself count.

 

[sincity]

I bet Turkey and Japan already made a plan how to slice the Chinese pie. If you get the choice, you should choose self sacrifise for the Japanese emperor instead of execution. Make yourself count.

I'm not a mainland Chinese I don't really care what happen to them. You as a muslim, commit terrorist act is in your blood, you just need to highjack a plane a flight straight into China building in Beijin that would taught China government not to mess with Ughur.

Do the Jihad, do it and do it now.

 

[Reviewer21]

To all Indian members.

We know that China has huge propaganda machinery and is playing deception too.

But we can do so too, on large scale.

We can pretend that we have successfully developed AURA and AMCA, make fake but real size models of them, take their photos and post them on net, through anonymous bloggers.

Then we can spread rumors that they already have been deployed on selected bases.

We can also pretend that we have developed hyper sonic cruise missile with 1,000 KM range.

Such tactics even if not fully successful, will have impact on psyche of our enemies.

It will benefit us hugely I think.

Discuss this idea guys.

Not possible bro. We have a democracy system. If someone comes or posts that they've developed this and that and makes false claims. Then the other day itself media will get together and start kicking that claimer's a$$. And this way it will only deteriorate our Image. So a BIGGGGG NOOO!!