Should China allow immigrants from South East Asia?

[Sasquatch]

I'm for overseas Chinese returning. Immigration now for China is flat out no.

 

[AndrewJin]

Overseas Chinese card. You mean a special dual citizenship card for Chinese born who live in the west?

No, dual citizenship is impossible in China.
Overseas Chinese card is a sort of compromise. Green card is too hard to get for normal people(only issued to high-rank scientists, technicians and executives), citizenship is completely impossible. This policy will be tried in Zhongguancun first.


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　　第二，试点华裔卡制度，由于中国不承认双重国籍，对于原籍是中国的侨胞，将参考其他国家的可享受永久居留等形式；

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　　第四，试点境外高校学生到中关村实习。

 

[sEoulman556]

They might have been referring to ethnic Koreans living in China, and not South Korean nationals living in China.

I seriously doubt that.

I think its rather clear that the Chinese here want South Koreans to live in China while ignoring certain economic external factors that influence it like the Korean won depreciation. It'd be nice if the people here in the thread strictly used the term "Korean-Chinese" to refer to the ethnic Koreans in China but they obviously didn't do that so that possibility you mentioned shouldn't even be considered.

I don't want to revisit this issue ever again because I have a great Chinese drinking buddy who is also a Mortal Kombat 9 sparring partner. Still, I hate bullshit slander that goes against my country as much as the PDF Chinese hate "China is collapsing" libel.

 

[Shotgunner51]

What about Russian and Tajik who are whites? Koreans? Jing (Vietnamese)? Miao (Hmong)? They are part of the 56 minorities, should they count?

What about Hungarians who are supposed to be distantly related to Xiongnu?

Should an ethnic category be created for Japanese?

There were 39 ethnic groups in 1954, 54 by 1964, last addition was Jino in 1979, bringing the number of officially registered ethnic groups to the current 56. So yes if they belong to any of these groups, no impact in existing portfolio.

The necessity of adding new ethnic group to official register shall depend on population size of these citizens already taking residence in the territory.

 

[Wolfwind]

I seriously doubt that.

I think its rather clear that the Chinese here want South Koreans to live in China while ignoring certain economic external factors that influence it like the Korean won depreciation. It'd be nice if the people here in the thread strictly used the term "Korean-Chinese" to refer to the ethnic Koreans in China but they obviously didn't do that so that possibility you mentioned shouldn't even be considered.

I don't want to revisit this issue ever again because I have a great Chinese drinking buddy who is also a Mortal Kombat 9 sparring partner. Still, I hate bullshit slander that goes against my country as much as the PDF Chinese hate "China is collapsing" libel.

They said Koreans living in China didn't they? They didn't specifically say South Koreans.

"Korean" can mean North Korean, South Korean, Koreans living in China, or Koreans living anywhere else in the world.

It's a bit selfish to deny Koreans around the world their identity as a Korean just because they are not from South Korea.

Anyway I think you should just ask them to clarify what they meant rather than getting all emotional. In fact, are you talking about FairAndUnbiased comments? He's obviously on about ethnic Koreans living in China. Look at the context, he's also citing Jing and Miao ethnic groups.

 

[Jlaw]

There were 39 ethnic groups in 1954, 54 by 1964, last addition was Jino in 1979, bringing the number of officially registered ethnic groups to the current 56. So yes if they belong to any of these groups, no impact in existing portfolio.

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The necessity of adding new ethnic group to official register shall depend on population size of these citizens already taking residence in the territory.

No point. It's a stupid thing to do because these other ethnic groups like Koreans, Russians , Japanese were not the people who originated from China in ancient times.

By recognizing more ethnic groups, it creates a divisive barrier for all the people. China is the only country that recognizes its minority in a way creating its own "divide and conquer". Never understood Chinese mentality.

 

[sEoulman556]

They said Koreans living in China didn't they? They didn't specifically say South Koreans.

"Korean" can mean North Korean, South Korean, Koreans living in China, or Koreans living anywhere else in the world.

It's a bit selfish to deny Koreans around the world their identity as a Korean just because they are not from South Korea.

Anyway I think you should just ask them to clarify what they meant rather than getting all emotional. In fact, are you talking about FairAndUnbiased comments? He's obviously on about ethnic Koreans living in China. Look at the context, he's also citing Jing and Miao ethnic groups.

I don't deny other Koreans their identity except for pro-North Korea propagandists and pro-Beijing Korean-Chinese living in South Korea that constantly forget that they're living in South Korea. The only Koreans I will ever have sympathy for would be the North Korean refugees that have difficult lives in South Korea since they initially struggle with things like setting up a bank account or filling out welfare paperwork. If you want to criticize me for not including those that are pro-North Korea and pro-Beijing, I could proudly, definitely say that I don't give a flying shit because the expectation for me to be "understanding" towards every Korean on Earth isn't even worth acknowledging when the KCG (South Korean Coast Guard) catches Chinese fishermen constantly poaching South Korean fishing grounds and North Korea regularly conducting nuclear weapons tests.

I'm surprised you want to talk to me about what is meant to be a true Korean. Out of the two years I've known my Chinese friend from Guizhou, not once did I ask him what he thought of Hong Kongers' and Taiwanese that were anti-Beijing even though how I know he's a staunch believer in mainland China as the one and only homeland. Will you want to the one mainlander Chinese that tells me your sincere, honest-to-God opinion about anti-Beijing groups that has a decent claim to being Chinese but simply just doesn't agree with the policies that Beijing comes up with? I won't hold it against you personally if you have a negative view of anti-Beijing groups in Taiwan and Hong Kong but I think we should have your opinion out here if you want to criticize me for not including all Koreans.

 

[Wolfwind]

I don't deny other Koreans their identity except for pro-North Korea propagandists and pro-Beijing Korean-Chinese living in South Korea that constantly forget that they're living in South Korea. The only Koreans I will ever have sympathy for would be the North Korean refugees that have difficult lives in South Korea since they initially struggle with things like setting up a bank account or filling out welfare paperwork. If you want to criticize me for not including those that are pro-North Korea and pro-Beijing, I could proudly, definitely say that I don't give a flying shit because the expectation for me to be "understanding" towards every Korean on Earth isn't even worth acknowledging when the KCG (South Korean Coast Guard) catches Chinese fishermen constantly poaching South Korean fishing grounds and North Korea regularly conducting nuclear weapons tests.

I'm surprised you want to talk to me about what is meant to be a true Korean. Out of the two years I've known my Chinese friend from Guizhou, not once did I ask him what he thought of Hong Kongers' and Taiwanese that were anti-Beijing even though how I know he's a staunch believer in mainland China as the one and only homeland. Will you want to the one mainlander Chinese that tells me your sincere, honest-to-God opinion about anti-Beijing groups that has a decent claim to being Chinese but simply just doesn't agree with the policies that Beijing comes up with? I won't hold it against you personally if you have a negative view of anti-Beijing groups in Taiwan and Hong Kong but I think we should have your opinion out here if you want to criticize me for not including all Koreans.

Uh okay? But they identify as Korean by heritage, ethnicity and culture. You seem to be throwing political alignments into a criteria for defining "Korean".

 

[sEoulman556]

Uh okay? But they identify as Korean by heritage, ethnicity and culture. You seem to be throwing political alignments into a criteria for defining "Korean".

The Taiwanese and Hong Kongers also consider themselves as Chinese in terms of heritage, ethnicity and culture. The democracy movements in both Taiwan & Hong Kong believe that their own Chief Executives or Presidents should be picked in uninfluenced, general elections since they don't want pro-Beijing candidates in control for whatever reason.

Not sure what you're trying to argue here. China has internal political polarities amongst different sections in Chinese society in almost exact similarity to South Korea. Its like you're pushing for a narrative that China is the only country that should have political disagreements between other Chinese, and South Korea shouldn't engage in similar politicking.

I don't deny that South Korea has serious political disagreements between other Koreans that should be resolved amicably. But, if your motive is to keep pointing to South Korea, while ignoring China's alike domestic politics. I have to ask you this question from one yellow person to another yellow person, Why are we even continuing this discussion?