Should Blasphemy Laws be banned?

[iPhone]

These laws only empower the religious fanatics against not only the different minority groups but the society as a whole. I mean, can you imagine the mullahs in Pakistan giving up this power they have over people through these made up laws? They'd never do it, they're holding the whole country hostage, this power is just too good to part away with.

 

[Spring Onion]

Blasphemy laws are used to persecute minorities by insecure majority.

more Muslims have been implicated under this law than minorities.

 

[The Sandman]

@The Sandman I can see these argument as a tussle between what should be ideal and what is practical. One enlightened one will laugh at the mocker for his ignorance and leave at it, and the mocker may be doing the same for believer and still everyone continue living in peace. That's the whole idea.

But you know it's not that easy as it may sound.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Yes.

This law was just a populist policy by Zia ul Haq, and has resulted in unnecessary death and destruction for the people of Pakistan.

I believe that if it was put up for a referendum the majority of people would repeal.

 

[The Sandman]

I am with you since mockery has never achieved anything constructive, its merely a waste of effort in an unworthy gesture.

Exactly it just doesn't help anyone it only fuel the anger and probably hatred for each other because no matter how much you try in the end we all are just humans.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Sorry we don't accept mockery and ridicule. Some wants to say Hindu or Christian or some other religion we have no issue with that. We would do our preaching some one wants to accept it or not there choice but if some one makes fun of our religion and abuses or mocks it sorry but that won't be tolerated. In Islam authority are ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and great Sahabas not these people you mentioned.

You yourself admit that authority is Allah but then openly reject Allah's clear verses ?? Allah tells us to tolerate, But you say that "We won't tolerate" ??


"When ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme." [Qur'an 4:140]

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "to us our deeds and to you yours; peace be to you." [Qur'an 28: 55]

"Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant." [Qur'an 7:199]

"Have patience with what they say, and leaves them with noble (dignity)." [Qur'an 73:10]

"And the servants of Allah . . . are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say 'Peace'" [Qur'an 25:63]

"Allah is with those who restrain themselves." [Qur'an 16: 128]

". . . But they uttered blasphemy . . . if they repent, it will be best for them, but if they turn back, Allah will punish them." [Qur'an 9:47]

There are fifty-seven more verses having a direct bearing on the subject and more than 250 others which emphasize forgiveness, forbearance and compassion.

http://muslimcanada.org/HamdardBlasphemy.html

Yes.

This law was just a populist policy by Zia ul Haq, and has resulted in unnecessary death and destruction for the people of Pakistan.

Zia ul Haq didn't "enact" this law, he only made a few additions. We have inherited this law from the our colonial past. In 1927, the British colonial rulers of the sub-continent made it a criminal offence to commit “deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religious belief”... The law was retained when Pakistan gained independence in 1947 ........... There is no evidence to suggest that any such laws existed before the British ...

more Muslims have been implicated under this law than minorities.

Almost 50 % of those charged with blasphemy belong to "minority" who represent only 3% of the national population.

 

[Zarvan]

You yourself admit that authority is Allah but then openly reject Allah's clear verses ?? Allah tells us to tolerate, But you say that "We won't tolerate" ??


"When ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme." [Qur'an 4:140]

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "to us our deeds and to you yours; peace be to you." [Qur'an 28: 55]

"Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant." [Qur'an 7:199]

"Have patience with what they say, and leaves them with noble (dignity)." [Qur'an 73:10]

"And the servants of Allah . . . are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say 'Peace'" [Qur'an 25:63]

"Allah is with those who restrain themselves." [Qur'an 16: 128]

". . . But they uttered blasphemy . . . if they repent, it will be best for them, but if they turn back, Allah will punish them." [Qur'an 9:47]

There are fifty-seven more verses having a direct bearing on the subject and more than 250 others which emphasize forgiveness, forbearance and compassion.

http://muslimcanada.org/HamdardBlasphemy.html



Zia ul Haq didn't "enact" this law, he only made a few additions. We have inherited this law from the our colonial past. In 1927, the British colonial rulers of the sub-continent made it a criminal offence to commit “deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religious belief”... The law was retained when Pakistan gained independence in 1947 ........... There is no evidence to suggest that any such laws existed before the British ...





Almost 50 % of those charged with blasphemy belong to "minority" who represent only 3% of the national population.

Sorry authority are ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and Quran also says that where ever you find a kafir kill him. Will you bother to explain that and you won't be able to only explain that if you start telling about ayats with there context. Yes no mockery or abuse of RASOOL SAW would be tolerated and it doesn't goes against orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and in fact are according to that 100 %.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Sorry authority are ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and Quran also says that where ever you find a kafir kill him. Will you bother to explain that and you won't be able to only explain that if you start telling about ayats with there context. Yes no mockery or abuse of RASOOL SAW would be tolerated and it doesn't goes against orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and in fact are according to that 100 %.

Yes, authority are Allah and his Rasool.

And Allah's commands are clear and explicit ... He tells us to tolerate Blasphemers. The Holy Quran does not prescribe any worldly punishment for blasphemy. And the Quran tells us that legislation is for none but Allah

You of course are free to reject clear Quranic injunctions and follow Mullahs' commands instead. But don't tell us that you follow Quran .. Because you don't

 

[Zarvan]

Yes, authority are Allah and his Rasool.

And Allah's commands are clear and explicit ... He tells us to tolerate Blasphemers. The Holy Quran does not prescribe any worldly punishment for blasphemy. And the Quran tells us that legislation is for none but Allah

You of course are free to reject clear Quranic injunctions and follow Mullahs' commands instead. But don't tell us that you follow Quran .. Because you don't

Yes I follow Quran and Sunnah and Quran and Sunnah have clear punishment for those who insult RASOOL SAW. It's you who may reject Quran I don't I follow Quran and Sunnah and punishment of Blasphemy is according to Quran and Sunnah. You need to stop following that known retard and fool Pervaiz

 

[M. Sarmad]

Yes I follow Quran and Sunnah and Quran and Sunnah have clear punishment for those who insult RASOOL SAW. It's you who may reject Quran I don't I follow Quran and Sunnah and punishment of Blasphemy is according to Quran and Sunnah. You need to stop following that known retard and fool Pervaiz

Brother, quote a single verse from the Holy Quran that supports your POV and I will accept your position.

But if you can't, then at least try to read and understand the Holy Quran yourself instead of blindly following the Mullahs.

As for Hadith, there is not a single Sahih Hadith that tells us about any incident that took place during the life of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) or his successors where any person was punished/executed for a single utterance of blasphemy

This had been the position held by almost all of the notable Islamic scholars throughout the history of Islam

Pakistan's Blasphemy Law are against the Holy Quran and Sunnah

As for Pervaiz, he was a great scholar of the Quran ... But I don't follow him, or anyone else for that matter

Peace

 

[Luffy 500]

Blashphemy laws are part and parcel of Islamc sharia. Interestingly , no muslim in his right mind ever found anything problematic with it but with the advent of western secular colonialism , anti-islamic ideas started influencing some muslims and they started to peddle idological non-sense emerging from Europe and USA.

This notion and ideas against blashphemy is emanating from an alien soci-cultural milieu i.e liberal secular west. For them religious is something to be not taken seriously and individual freedom and freedom of expressions has to be given precedence over religion. This concept is 100% antithetical to Islam. The west also does not sanction absolute individual expressions - france, sweden, denmark are good examples:

https://defence.pk/threads/new-imam-bill-makes-islam-a-crime.466862/

Btw pakistanis against this sharia sanctioned law, should not have any problem if someone piss on PAK flag or Jinna's or iqbal's portrait or mock them. What would nationalist PDFers do to an afghan refugee if he does that? If you have a problem with that then you should logically also have a problem with those committing blasphemy against islam.

Btw any such law from an Islamic perspective has to be enforced by the State judiciary and ruler not individual tom, dick and harry. Islam does not allow vigilante justice. There is a due process.

 

[Zarvan]

Brother, quote a single verse from the Holy Quran that supports your POV and I will accept your position.

But if you can't, then at least try to read and understand the Holy Quran yourself instead of blindly following the Mullahs.

As for Hadith, there is not a single Sahih Hadith that tells us about any incident that took place during the life of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) or his successors where any person was punished/executed for a single utterance of blasphemy

This had been the position held by almost all of the notable Islamic scholars throughout the history of Islam

Pakistan's Blasphemy Law are against the Holy Quran and Sunnah

As for Pervaiz, he was a great scholar of the Quran ... But I don't follow him, or anyone else for that matter

Peace

Pervaiz was the biggest liar who lied about the Quran. Secondly there are several Hadith and also ayats of Quran are there but if you have no idea of arabic or context of ayat you can't get it.

 

[M. Sarmad]

there are several Hadith and also ayats of Quran are there but if you have no idea of arabic or context of ayat you can't get it.

Please quote one ... Just one

Blashphemy laws are part and parcel of Islamc sharia. Interestingly , no muslim in his right mind ever found anything problematic with it

Many Muslims in their right mind do oppose these un-Islamic laws.. Only Mullahs (who get political power from such laws) and their blind followers don't

 

[Divergent]

Sorry authority are ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and Quran also says that where ever you find a kafir kill him. Will you bother to explain that and you won't be able to only explain that if you start telling about ayats with there context. Yes no mockery or abuse of RASOOL SAW would be tolerated and it doesn't goes against orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and in fact are according to that 100 %.

Woah. That's a bit extreme

 

[Zarvan]

Woah. That's a bit extreme

Every ayat has a background so until person knows that he can wrongly understand ayats of Quran and also Hadith.