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My parents had jobs and work hard to better their lives. these idiots just fatten their ***** on other's money. That's why they all have man boobs.

That is what you claim ......i think they were pedophiles who indulged in sexual orgies and prostitution and that is why they have given birth to an idiot who thinks little of mocking others faith.


.....so tell me how is my mocking your parents any different from you mocking people others revere ?
 
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BJP begins to distance itself from Asaram - The Times of India

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NEW DELHI: The BJP on Wednesday sought to distance itself from the controversial statements of its leaders defending Asaram Bapu who is accused of sexually assaulting a minor girl.

"The BJP has always been supportive of the quest for justice for women and the girl child. If there is an allegation, then regardless of the stature, there must be a fair and prompt inquiry. The law should be allowed to take its own course," BJP leader Ravi Shankar Prasad said.

The came after some BJP leaders issued statements in favour of Asaram, calling him a victim of a Congress-sponsored frame-up.

Uma Bharti, Madhya Pradesh minister Kailash Vijaywarghiya and Prabhat Jha have over the last few days defended Asaram, raising eyebrows within the party.


Interestingly, BJP units share divergent dynamics with the controversial godman who has attracted serious charges in the past also. Those who have defended Asaram are from Madhya Pradesh where the godman has an ashram in Indore.

Vijayawarghiya is an MLA from Indore and his compulsion in defending Asaram is that the godman has a fairly large following in the city. That Asaram is a Sindhi and the community has a large presence in Indore also makes it difficult for the BJP leader to be seen as not taking the godman's side in an election year. Madhya Pradesh goes for assembly elections in a few months.

In neighbouring Gujarat, the party had a different approach towards the godman when he was embroiled in a controversy surrounding the disappearance of a minor boy from one of his ashrams. Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi had taken a tough stand despite the unhappiness of Vishwa Hindu Parishad.
 
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India's superstition super-market: Babas, maalas and more - Lifestyle - DNA

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Sunday, Aug 25, 2013, 8:31 IST | Agency: DNA
Yogesh Pawar

The murder of rationalist-activist Dr Narendra Dabholkar prompts many questions: how superstitious are we as a nation? Enough to kill a man for reasoning against it? Yogesh Pawar explores the booming business fuelled by irrational belief.

Photographs with Rakhi Sawant, Moon Das and other small and big screen stars vie for attention with the numerous Gods and Goddesses adorning the wall of astrologer-clairvoyant Baba Shahnawaz Bengali’s office.

The smell of agarbattis wafting from the curtained-off consultation room mixes with the smell of strong perfumes worn by struggling model Akram Tanwar and TV actor Piyali Jha, who await their turn, leafing through dog-eared old editions of film glossies. We are in an industrial estate not far from the dream destination for all those in the entertainment industry - Yash Raj Studios.

While Akram says he cannot talk about his problems, Ranchi-girl Piyali is excited to talk to this writer. “My Ketu Dasha is not right and several of my auditions haven’t gone right. My roommate came to Baba and a tawiz he gave helped her,” says the 24-year old. “I’m hoping his intervention helps me too. My parents are forcing me to come back and get married. I don’t want to leave Bombay and this life,” says the Versova resident.

Inside, the bejewelled, dressed-in-black, Baba with his flashy red beard and hair asks, “Why do you think people come to me?” and begins answering the question himself. “These young boys and girls chasing glamour and money have no peace. They live fast lives with no emotional anchor so they need someone like me.” He blames the problems they face on “excessive sex and polygamous lives.” After much cajoling, he admits to charging a modest Rs 3,500 a consultation. “If they want a charm, a bracelet or anything else, it costs extra.”

Baba Shahnawaz shares the floor with another much-in-demand tarot-card reader and numerologist Rajarishi Das who charges nearly Rs5,000 per hour. In fact, the entire entertainment industry hub of Oshiwara, Lokhandwala, Versova and now extending to Malad and Goregaon is packed with gemologists, tarot card, tea-leaves and rune readers, aura diviners, tantric babas, astrologers, numerologists, past-life therapists, vastu and feng shui experts and what have you.

The outrage over Narendra Dabholkar’s murder may have brought into sharp focus the significance of superstitions and blind beliefs in our lives, but here business is booming. Both Rajrishi and Shanawaz hint at the turnover of “this business” being between Rs500-600 crores per year.

Rajrishi thinks this is a reflection of demand. His claims his guru has been consultant to some of the top stars in Bollywood. “All through the early 90s when Jeetendra was going through a tough time he was continuously in touch with my guru Baba Kadakshah. Something must have clicked, na? Today his family and the way their business has grown in both TV and films is hope for so many strugglers,” he says thrusting a plastic album forward with photos of his guru with Jeetendra and wife Shobha. His guru who now functions out of a Lokahandwala flat and charges Rs10,000 per consultation was away in Dubai. “A client has taken him to check the vastu of his place there.”

Our raised eyebrows bring on a cynical smile. “This is nothing. Karan Johar consults his confidante-tarot card reader Sunita Menon before every single project. In fact people like Rakesh Roshan pay a bomb to a Kolkata based baba on whose advice he names all his projects with K,” he says and adds, “He produces his own films, even financing them by mortgaging his properties because he has been advised that this will bring him success. Kirron Kher too has been advised against flying on certain seat numbers by the same baba.”

When asked about the pile of charms and trinkets in the corner, Shahnawaz says he sends his assistant Samir to buy them in wholesale from Pydhonie. “They are stored in my room in Jogeshwari where we infuse them with special powers depending on what the client’s problem is. Jaise loha lohe ko kaatata hai, negative influences can be tackled by negative energies.” He points out how his guru has taught him to pray to the negative dark forces and make them his allies. “Now when I summon them, they come and I ask them to manifest themselves in the amulets and charms or even coconuts. Once these are worn, the problem gets resolved.”

Our next stop then is Pydhonie. Here Laljibhai Maoji’s shop is so well-known that a priest coming out of the famous Mumbaidevi temple points it out. The 15x18 feet shop with a mezzanine is hot as an oven even post sunset. “Baara number ki maala packet fek upar se,” he calls out to a his staff who throws it on the counter with a thud. Once the customer makes the payment,picks the packet and leaves, the Malad-resident trader in religious trinkets for over four decades and head of the association of such traders proudly tells us, “People come from Nashik, Pune and Baroda for buying our stuff in wholesale.” According to him while beads, baubles and rudrakshas were faster moving goods till a decade ago, today it is vaastu and feng shui items that are more popular, in a Rs 300 crore per annum market. “The frogs, pyramids and yantras are the most in demand,” he says adding, “By the time they get sold for retail by astrologers you will be shocked how the price can appreciate between 200-250%.”

Shops like his are quite secular when it comes to goods. He stocks everything from tawizes inscribed ‘786’ and crucifixes which shine a bright-green in the dark. Many small kiosk owners outside Mumbai’s dargahs and churches stock their goods at the Pydhonie shops.

When we ask whether he himself believes in the power of the trinkets and charms he sells, he laughs, “Yes given their collective power in my shop, I should’ve had a larger home than Mukeshbhai’s Antilla,” but quickly adds, “It must be helping people. Why do they think they buy these things otherwise?”

Here too, despite cynicism, belief reigns. Manifest not only in the upside down black doll hanging on his shop front but also in the hurry with which he summons an assistant to man the counter till he comes back from the Picket Road Hanuman temple. “In the morning I go to the Shani idol there to offer oil unfailingly daily since Shani (Saturn) is in my stars for 7.5 years. Today I got late so I’m going in the evening.” According to him his bad luck was worsened when he accidentally looked up at the moon on the first day of Ganesha festival last year. “I am hoping my propitiation will bear fruit.”

Interestingly a 2009 survey of 12 Indian cities (by AC Nielsen-ORG-Marg) revealed a near-90 percent swing in the direction of Shani who has raced ahead of the 33 crore Gods and Godesses in the pantheon, in terms of followers. While there were only seven temples dedicated to the dark, clothed-in-black, raven-rider God who wards off bad luck a decade ago, this has grown to 226 in Mumbai alone!

At the Shani temple, Lajibhai runs into Mansukh Shah, 42, a stock broker neighbour. Shah has suffered huge losses at recent stock exchange blood bath. “This rupee sign with a line cutting across is the reason for the panvati,” he avers adding that the placement of a large metal bull sculpture outside the exchange could also be to blame. “There should have been consultation with priests on whether such a sculpture should be installed and in which direction before this was done.”

While counselling psychologist Deepak Kashyap pooh-poohs these claims, he feels the increase in superstitions is connected to the troubled times we live in. “Things are changing far too much and rapidly for people to comprehend. This adds to the stress, insecurities and fears brought on by market conditions, job losses and the high cost of living. This makes people look for something to hold on to and they give in to irrationalities.”

Kashyap does not see what he calls “qualitative difference” between superstition and religion. “The difference is merely quantitative since religion operates on a much larger scale,” he observes and adds, “This is the reason why the religious are more likely to be superstitious.”

Others like writer-columnist Shobhaa De feel, “As long as a belief does not become an obsession, every individual should have the freedom to choose.” According to her, there is nothing contradictory about respecting the beliefs of both, rationalist-activist Narendra Dabholkar and Jayant Salgaonkar, the creator of the widely popular astrology-almanac Kalnirnay. “You can be a rationalist and still be a believer,” she says.

Here’s something to chew on. Both, Dabholkar and Salgaonkar passed away on the same day. While the former was killed, the latter, died a natural death. Mere coincidence or an arrangement by fate? You pick.


Top ten superstitions:

1) The line running through the rupee symbol is reason for the rupee doing badly.

2) The bull sculpture outside the BSE is resulting in stocks losing money.

3) Having sea-food with milk or milk products will give you vitiligo

4) A black cat crossing your path will bring you bad luck.

5) While leaving home, if someone asks, “Where are you going?” the work you’ve set out for will not happen.

6) A crow cawing at your door/window is indication of an unexpected guest’s arrival

7) The sighting/hearing of an owl is an indicator of impending death

8) Tying a bunch of chillies, lemon and a piece of charcoal to your car/shop/home will ward off the evil eye.

9) A woman who is menstruating should not attend weddings/naming ceremonies/religious rituals as she is impure.

10) Giving milk/sugar/ money to others post-sunset will make the Goddess of Wealth abandon you, leaving you a pauper.
 
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That is what you claim ......i think they were pedophiles who indulged in sexual orgies and prostitution and that is why they have given birth to an idiot who thinks little of mocking others faith.


.....so tell me how is my mocking your parents any different from you mocking people others revere ?



If you revere retards,you will be mocked.

The culture your Babas have manufactured, a culture which results in a person turning into having external locus of control has been the reason for decline of Indian civilization.


Had Indian culture been hardnosed as it was during time of chanakya, Ghaznavis and ghoris would not have entered this country.


Tele babas are into business of making fool of people and filling their coffers.



@Enemy: Stop spamming.
 
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NAGPUR: Asaram Bapu's camp near city faced wrath from various bodies representing Buddhist and Sikhs communities who also protested at different places on Wednesday for godman's alleged remarks issued against their religious gurus. The godman is facing charges of sexual assault on a teenager.

The protest sparked off at Fetri in Kalmeshwar, around 20km from city, where a group of Bhim Sena activists targeted the ashram of controversial guru for his alleged derogatory remark against Lord Buddha. The ashram suffered damage of 50,000 after protestors pelted stones on the premises. There were also some scuffles between protestors and the followers in which a woman was molested.


Shridhar Salve, president of Bhim Sena, said a peaceful agitation was underway in front of the ashram when Asaram's followers started targeting the protestors. "We were provoked to fight back with stones when our fellow protestors were beaten up and our vehicles targeted," said Salve.

​Protests against Asaram in Nagpur, elsewhere - The Times of India
 
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Excerpts from the Book - An Autobiography of a Yogi


......One afternoon during my early months at the ashram, found Sri Yukteswar's eyes fixed on me piercingly.

"You are too thin, Mukunda."

His remark struck a sensitive point. That my sunken eyes and emaciated appearance were far from my liking was testified to by rows of tonics in my room at Calcutta. Nothing availed; chronic dyspepsia had pursued me since childhood. My despair reached an occasional zenith when I asked myself if it were worth-while to carry on this life with a body so unsound.

"Medicines have limitations; the creative life-force has none. Believe that: you shall be well and strong."

Sri Yukteswar's words aroused a conviction of personally-applicable truth which no other healer-and I had tried many!-had been able to summon within me.

Day by day, behold! I waxed. Two weeks after Master's hidden blessing, I had accumulated the invigorating weight which eluded me in the past. My persistent stomach ailments vanished with a lifelong permanency. On later occasions I witnessed my guru's instantaneous divine healings of persons suffering from ominous disease-tuberculosis, diabetes, epilepsy, or paralysis. Not one could have been more grateful for his cure than I was at sudden freedom from my cadaverous aspect.

"Years ago, I too was anxious to put on weight," Sri Yukteswar told me. "During convalescence after a severe illness, I visited Lahiri Mahasaya in Benares.

"'Sir, I have been very sick and lost many pounds.'

"'I see, Yukteswar, you made yourself unwell, and now you think you are thin.'

"This reply was far from the one I had expected; my guru, however, added encouragingly:

"'Let me see; I am sure you ought to feel better tomorrow.'

"Taking his words as a gesture of secret healing toward my receptive mind, I was not surprised the next morning at a welcome accession of strength. I sought out my master and exclaimed exultingly, 'Sir, I feel much better today.'

"'Indeed! Today you invigorate yourself.'

"'No, master!' I protested. 'It was you who helped me; this is the first time in weeks that I have had any energy.'

"'O yes! Your malady has been quite serious. Your body is frail yet; who can say how it will be tomorrow?'

"The thought of possible return of my weakness brought me a shudder of cold fear. The following morning I could hardly drag myself to Lahiri Mahasaya's home.

"'Sir, I am ailing again.'

"My guru's glance was quizzical. 'So! Once more you indispose yourself.'

"'Gurudeva, I realize now that day by day you have been ridiculing me.' My patience was exhausted. 'I don't understand why you disbelieve my truthful reports.'

"'Really, it has been your thoughts that have made you feel alternately weak and strong.' My master looked at me affectionately. 'You have seen how your health has exactly followed your expectations. Thought is a force, even as electricity or gravitation. The human mind is a spark of the almighty consciousness of God. I could show you that whatever your powerful mind believes very intensely would instantly come to pass.'

"Knowing that Lahiri Mahasaya never spoke idly, I addressed him with great awe and gratitude: 'Master, if I think I am well and have regained my former weight, shall that happen?'

"'It is so, even at this moment.' My guru spoke gravely, his gaze concentrated on my eyes.

"Lo! I felt an increase not alone of strength but of weight. Lahiri Mahasaya retreated into silence. After a few hours at his feet, I returned to my mother's home, where I stayed during my visits to Benares.

"'My son! What is the matter? Are you swelling with dropsy?' Mother could hardly believe her eyes. My body was now of the same robust dimensions it had possessed before my illness.

"I weighed myself and found that in one day I had gained fifty pounds; they remained with me permanently. Friends and acquaintances who had seen my thin figure were aghast with wonderment. A number of them changed their mode of life and became disciples of Lahiri Mahasaya as a result of this miracle.

"My guru, awake in God, knew this world to be nothing but an objectivized dream of the Creator. Because he was completely aware of his unity with the Divine Dreamer, Lahiri Mahasaya could materialize or dematerialize or make any change he wished in the cosmic vision.

"All creation is governed by law," Sri Yukteswar concluded. "The ones which manifest in the outer universe, discoverable by scientists, are called natural laws. But there are subtler laws ruling the realms of consciousness which can be known only through the inner science of yoga. The hidden spiritual planes also have their natural and lawful principles of operation. It is not the physical scientist but the fully self-realized master who comprehends the true nature of matter.
 
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Please don't violate forum rules. Stick to the topic.

There is no violation of forum rules.

You need to stop posting n'th iteration of same news. One is enough from readers perspective.
 
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Anybody spreading black magic in Maharashtra will face jail terms. Beware.

Mumbai bans black magic

Mumbai bans black magic

OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

Nagpur, Aug. 27: Maharashtra yesterday notified a law against superstition, becoming the first state in the country to ban black magic and witchcraft.

The ordinance follows the assassination of Narendra Dabholkar, one of the strongest advocates of the legislation, in Pune last week. The 65-year-old rationalist was taking a morning walk when he was shot dead by bike-borne assailants.

The law has provisions for awarding a maximum punishment of seven years in jail if found guilty of propagating superstitious practices and witchcraft. It bans inhuman rituals (a number of such practices have been enlisted in the legislation), human sacrifice, rituals that are said to be able to determine the sex of unborn children, and acts known as “jaadu-tona” (jadu means magic, and tona witchcraft) in common parlance, among others.
 
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I personally don't like the man. He doesn't even talk properly about the spirituality he is supposed to talk of usually.

These 'saints' of all faiths should know the reason why they are respected. We also have this fundamental problem in Buddhism where some lamas misuse their respect and stature to make problems.

Spirituality should never be institutionalized.

Because of institutionalization, it makes problems that all cultures whether Hindu, Buddhist or Sikh of the Indian community are facing
 
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There is no violation of forum rules.

You need to stop posting n'th iteration of same news. One is enough from readers perspective.

Cooperate with the govt to end black magic and superstition. And don't tell me what to do.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130828/jsp/nation/story_17281981.jsp#.Uh7UUNI3C-Y

The law has provisions for awarding a maximum punishment of seven years in jail if found guilty of propagating superstitious practices and witchcraft. It bans inhuman rituals (a number of such practices have been enlisted in the legislation), human sacrifice, rituals that are said to be able to determine the sex of unborn children, and acts known as “jaadu-tona” (jadu means magic, and tona witchcraft) in common parlance, among others.
 
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If you revere retards,you will be mocked.

The culture your Babas have manufactured, a culture which results in a person turning into having external locus of control has been the reason for decline of Indian civilization.

Had Indian culture been hardnosed as it was during time of chanakya, Ghaznavis and ghoris would not have entered this country.

Tele babas are into business of making fool of people and filling their coffers.

.....who are we to judge people as retards ? ........do you really know enough to make a judgement ?

Those who mock, mock due to their own Fears and Insecurities. If they were free of that fear, they would not bother to mock anyone. What value does words of a man filled with fear have ?

You are speaking with limited knowledge of our culture and religion. No 'baba' worth his salt ever talks about having 'external locus of control'. The entire Indian Dharmic religions focus is always on Internal introspection and control. That is the fundamental teaching of any Indian Guru.

What does invasion by barbarians have to do with spiritual awakening ? There will always be " invations " in our lives, that will never change. It is the nature of the world around us.

Spritual awakening is outside the scope of people who thinks the material world is real and not maya.

Let me quote another except from 'Autobigraphy of a Yogi'

"Master, did you ever meet Babaji?"

It was a calm summer night in Serampore; the large stars of the tropics gleamed over our heads as I sat by Sri Yukteswar's side on the second-story balcony of the hermitage.

"Yes." Master smiled at my direct question; his eyes lit with reverence. "Three times I have been blessed by the sight of the deathless guru. Our first meeting was in Allahabad at a Kumbha Mela."

The religious fairs held in India since time immemorial are known as Kumbha Melas; they have kept spiritual goals in constant sight of the multitude. Devout Hindus gather by the millions every six years to meet thousands of sadhus, yogis, swamis, and ascetics of all kinds. Many are hermits who never leave their secluded haunts except to attend the melas and bestow their blessings on worldly men and women.

"I was not a swami at the time I met Babaji," Sri Yukteswar went on. "But I had already received Kriya initiation from Lahiri Mahasaya. He encouraged me to attend the mela which was convening in January, 1894 at Allahabad. It was my first experience of a kumbha; I felt slightly dazed by the clamor and surge of the crowd. In my searching gazes around I saw no illumined face of a master. Passing a bridge on the bank of the Ganges, I noticed an acquaintance standing near-by, his begging bowl extended.

"'Oh, this fair is nothing but a chaos of noise and beggars,' I thought in disillusionment. 'I wonder if Western scientists, patiently enlarging the realms of knowledge for the practical good of mankind, are not more pleasing to God than these idlers who profess religion but concentrate on alms.'

"My smouldering reflections on social reform were interrupted by the voice of a tall sannyasi who halted before me.

"'Sir,' he said, 'a saint is calling you.'

"'Who is he?'

"'Come and see for yourself.'

"Hesitantly following this laconic advice, I soon found myself near a tree whose branches were sheltering a guru with an attractive group of disciples. The master, a bright unusual figure, with sparkling dark eyes, rose at my approach and embraced me.

"'Welcome, Swamiji,' he said affectionately.

"'Sir,' I replied emphatically, 'I am not a swami.'

"'Those on whom I am divinely directed to bestow the title of "swami" never cast it off.' The saint addressed me simply, but deep conviction of truth rang in his words; I was engulfed in an instant wave of spiritual blessing. Smiling at my sudden elevation into the ancient monastic order, I bowed at the feet of the obviously great and angelic being in human form who had thus honored me.

"Babaji-for it was indeed he-motioned me to a seat near him under the tree. He was strong and young, and looked like Lahiri Mahasaya; yet the resemblance did not strike me, even though I had often heard of the extraordinary similarities in the appearance of the two masters. Babaji possesses a power by which he can prevent any specific thought from arising in a person's mind. Evidently the great guru wished me to be perfectly natural in his presence, not overawed by knowledge of his identity.

"'What do you think of the Kumbha Mela?'

"'I was greatly disappointed, sir.' I added hastily, 'Up until the time I met you. Somehow saints and this commotion don't seem to belong together.'

"'Child,' the master said, though apparently I was nearly twice his own age, 'for the faults of the many, judge not the whole. Everything on earth is of mixed character, like a mingling of sand and sugar. Be like the wise ant which seizes only the sugar, and leaves the sand untouched. Though many sadhus here still wander in delusion, yet the mela is blessed by a few men of God-realization.'
 
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Institution or individual, any kind of propagating black magic will land you in Jail in Maharasthra and Karnataka following.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/274229-mumbai-bans-black-magic.html#post4703888

I personally don't like the man. He doesn't even talk properly about the spirituality he is supposed to talk of usually.

These 'saints' of all faiths should know the reason why they are respected. We also have this fundamental problem in Buddhism where some lamas misuse their respect and stature to make problems.

Spirituality should never be institutionalized.

Because of institutionalization, it makes problems that all cultures whether Hindu, Buddhist or Sikh of the Indian community are facing
 
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