SHOCKING :British sniper investigated for shooting an Iraqi insurgent 'without warning him'

[mike2000 is back]

Now Army's hero sniper is dragged into Iraq war witch-hunt: Soldier faces probe after he 'shot grenade attacker without warning him'

• Sniper probed for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade
• The soldier – accused because he gave no warning – is one of hundreds to have received a letter from taxpayer-funded detectives
• The unidentified sniper’s case was revealed yesterday by campaigners

By LARISSA BROWN, DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 02:50, 19 January 2016 | UPDATED: 09:58, 19 January 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...per-dragged-Iraq-war-witch-hunt.html#comments


A British sniper is being investigated for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade.

The soldier – accused because he gave no warning – is one of hundreds to have received a letter from taxpayer-funded detectives.

They are working for the Iraq Historical Allegations Team, which is investigating allegations of abuse by the British military.

The unidentified sniper’s case was revealed yesterday by campaigners at the pressure group UK Veterans – One Voice.

The Iraqi was killed after threatening the soldier’s base three times.

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A British sniper is being investigated for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade (file photo)

Following Friday prayers, he took aim at the compound with a rocket-propelled grenade. A crowd ‘egged him on’ and he fired but the range was too great.

The following Friday he fired a second grenade, which hit the base but did not cause any casualties.

A request to return fire with machine guns was refused for fear of killing bystanders.

The following Thursday night a four-man patrol, including the sniper, was sent out from the base to head off a further assault.
This ended with the insurgent’s death when he took aim for a third time. The account added: ‘He had been hit by a veteran of long military service, a graduate of Army sniper school.

‘No warning was required under the rules of engagement.’ A spokesman for UK Veterans told the Mail: ‘It is a classic example of the Iraq Historical Allegations Team picking a guy who shouldn’t be on the receiving end of it. It was a totally legitimate shot.’

Details of the probe came after it emerged the £57million IHAT squad is investigating more than 1,500 allegations of abuse and unlawful killing of civilians.

As many as 280 soldiers have been hounded over the investigation and thousands more could be dragged before inquiries into incidents dating back a decade.

Soldiers – many of whom are suffering from stress trauma – have faced up to five investigations into a single incident and have spoken of how they have been ‘hung out to dry’ by the Army.

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The Defence Secretary said it was one of several options being looked at by officials to reduce the number of claims (file photo of British soldiers training in Basra, Iraq)

Lawyers are also set to mount 1,100 compensation claims that could cost taxpayers tens of millions of pounds. There are fears the relentless ‘witch-hunt’ against war heroes could lower morale and hamper recruitment.

Yesterday Michael Fallon said military chiefs were examining plans to impose a time limit for claims to be brought against the Ministry of Defence.

The Defence Secretary said it was one of several options being looked at by officials to reduce the number of claims.

He told MPs that restrictions to legal aid – such as banning foreigners from being handed it – and limiting the scope of the human rights act to exclude soldiers on the battlefield were among ideas under consideration.

@Blue Marlin , @James Jaevid ,@Steve781 ,@Vauban ,@Taygibay ,@Schutz . Did you see this? Western Europe liberal policies at it's best.

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[Blue Marlin]

Now Army's hero sniper is dragged into Iraq war witch-hunt: Soldier faces probe after he 'shot grenade attacker without warning him'

• Sniper probed for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade
• The soldier – accused because he gave no warning – is one of hundreds to have received a letter from taxpayer-funded detectives
• The unidentified sniper’s case was revealed yesterday by campaigners

By LARISSA BROWN, DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 02:50, 19 January 2016 | UPDATED: 09:58, 19 January 2016


A British sniper is being investigated for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade.

The soldier – accused because he gave no warning – is one of hundreds to have received a letter from taxpayer-funded detectives.

They are working for the Iraq Historical Allegations Team, which is investigating allegations of abuse by the British military.

The unidentified sniper’s case was revealed yesterday by campaigners at the pressure group UK Veterans – One Voice.

The Iraqi was killed after threatening the soldier’s base three times.

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A British sniper is being investigated for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade (file photo)

Following Friday prayers, he took aim at the compound with a rocket-propelled grenade. A crowd ‘egged him on’ and he fired but the range was too great.

The following Friday he fired a second grenade, which hit the base but did not cause any casualties.

A request to return fire with machine guns was refused for fear of killing bystanders.

The following Thursday night a four-man patrol, including the sniper, was sent out from the base to head off a further assault.
This ended with the insurgent’s death when he took aim for a third time. The account added: ‘He had been hit by a veteran of long military service, a graduate of Army sniper school.

‘No warning was required under the rules of engagement.’ A spokesman for UK Veterans told the Mail: ‘It is a classic example of the Iraq Historical Allegations Team picking a guy who shouldn’t be on the receiving end of it. It was a totally legitimate shot.’

Details of the probe came after it emerged the £57million IHAT squad is investigating more than 1,500 allegations of abuse and unlawful killing of civilians.

As many as 280 soldiers have been hounded over the investigation and thousands more could be dragged before inquiries into incidents dating back a decade.

Soldiers – many of whom are suffering from stress trauma – have faced up to five investigations into a single incident and have spoken of how they have been ‘hung out to dry’ by the Army.

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The Defence Secretary said it was one of several options being looked at by officials to reduce the number of claims (file photo of British soldiers training in Basra, Iraq)

Lawyers are also set to mount 1,100 compensation claims that could cost taxpayers tens of millions of pounds. There are fears the relentless ‘witch-hunt’ against war heroes could lower morale and hamper recruitment.

Yesterday Michael Fallon said military chiefs were examining plans to impose a time limit for claims to be brought against the Ministry of Defence.

The Defence Secretary said it was one of several options being looked at by officials to reduce the number of claims.

He told MPs that restrictions to legal aid – such as banning foreigners from being handed it – and limiting the scope of the human rights act to exclude soldiers on the battlefield were among ideas under consideration.

@Blue Marlin , @James Jaevid ,@Steve781 ,@Vauban ,@Taygibay ,@Schutz . Did you see this? Western Europe liberal policies at it's best.

Read more: British sniper investigated for shooting an Iraqi 'without warning him' | Daily Mail Online
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so you finally decided to tag me then?
solider:excuse me sir, can i shoot you?
terrorist: errrr dont ask just shoot, you dont find us asking to kill, we just do it.
solider: fair enough, BANG (in the head)

5 years later some bitch lawyer is up the solider's *** giving him crap for doing his job, and then telling him how to do his job.
i bet he wished he could have kept the rifel for the lawyers too.

 

[mike2000 is back]

so you finally decided to tag then?
solider:excuse me sir, can i shoot you?
terrorist: errrr dont ask just shoot, you dont find us asking to kill, we just do it.
solider: fair enough, BANG (in the head)

5 years later some bitch lawyer is up the solider's *** giving him crap for doing his job, and then telling him how to do his job.
i bet he wished he could have kept the rifel for the lawyers too.

LOL I was shocked and appalled to read that there are more than 140 people employed by the government in a unit set up to investigate supposed "war crimes" by British troops in recent conflicts. SO THIS MEANS OUR LIBERAL LEADERS ARE ACTUALLY USING OUR TAX PAYERS MONEY TO PAY GREEDY LAWYERS AND OTHER FOREIGN COUNTRIES CITIZENS WE FOUGHT IN,FOR THEM TO SUE OUR SOLDIERS WHO WERE ONLY DOING THEIR JOB. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHO DOES THIS.

Now if you put people in jobs like that, they are going to want to stay employed, which means showing that they are doing a worthwhile job, which means coming up with results. They are not going to say "Nope, we've drawn a blank, there's nothing for us to do" are they?

So brace yourself for a stream of stories like this, which will have the main result of damaging Britain's reputation while catastrophically undermining the confidence of our troops in battle. Talk about an own goal; ISIL must be rolling around with laughter.

 

[mkb95]

what these people want
soildier-are u gonna kill us with that grenade sir?
insurgent-may be may be not?
soldier-please tell us
insurgent- alright,u got me i do want to kill u with this grenade i m carrying and coming towards you.

 

[mike2000 is back]

what these people want
soildier-are u gonna kill us with that grenade sir?
insurgent-may be may be not?
soldier-please tell us
insurgent- alright,u got me i do want to kill u with this grenade i m carrying and coming towards you.

As i said before, our main threat is Not ISIS,Russia or whichever terrorist groups/COUNTRY, since we can all handle these threats fairly easily. Our main threat in Britain and Western Europe as a whole has always been our liberal politicians/leftists/'human rights activists' etc. These are the people who can(and will probably) bring this country and western Europe down with their foolish policies. Let's just keep enjoying the show.

 

[Vergennes]

Now Army's hero sniper is dragged into Iraq war witch-hunt: Soldier faces probe after he 'shot grenade attacker without warning him'

• Sniper probed for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade
• The soldier – accused because he gave no warning – is one of hundreds to have received a letter from taxpayer-funded detectives
• The unidentified sniper’s case was revealed yesterday by campaigners

By LARISSA BROWN, DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 02:50, 19 January 2016 | UPDATED: 09:58, 19 January 2016


A British sniper is being investigated for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade.

The soldier – accused because he gave no warning – is one of hundreds to have received a letter from taxpayer-funded detectives.

They are working for the Iraq Historical Allegations Team, which is investigating allegations of abuse by the British military.

The unidentified sniper’s case was revealed yesterday by campaigners at the pressure group UK Veterans – One Voice.

The Iraqi was killed after threatening the soldier’s base three times.

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A British sniper is being investigated for shooting an Iraqi who was about to fire a rocket grenade (file photo)

Following Friday prayers, he took aim at the compound with a rocket-propelled grenade. A crowd ‘egged him on’ and he fired but the range was too great.

The following Friday he fired a second grenade, which hit the base but did not cause any casualties.

A request to return fire with machine guns was refused for fear of killing bystanders.

The following Thursday night a four-man patrol, including the sniper, was sent out from the base to head off a further assault.
This ended with the insurgent’s death when he took aim for a third time. The account added: ‘He had been hit by a veteran of long military service, a graduate of Army sniper school.

‘No warning was required under the rules of engagement.’ A spokesman for UK Veterans told the Mail: ‘It is a classic example of the Iraq Historical Allegations Team picking a guy who shouldn’t be on the receiving end of it. It was a totally legitimate shot.’

Details of the probe came after it emerged the £57million IHAT squad is investigating more than 1,500 allegations of abuse and unlawful killing of civilians.

As many as 280 soldiers have been hounded over the investigation and thousands more could be dragged before inquiries into incidents dating back a decade.

Soldiers – many of whom are suffering from stress trauma – have faced up to five investigations into a single incident and have spoken of how they have been ‘hung out to dry’ by the Army.

+2
The Defence Secretary said it was one of several options being looked at by officials to reduce the number of claims (file photo of British soldiers training in Basra, Iraq)

Lawyers are also set to mount 1,100 compensation claims that could cost taxpayers tens of millions of pounds. There are fears the relentless ‘witch-hunt’ against war heroes could lower morale and hamper recruitment.

Yesterday Michael Fallon said military chiefs were examining plans to impose a time limit for claims to be brought against the Ministry of Defence.

The Defence Secretary said it was one of several options being looked at by officials to reduce the number of claims.

He told MPs that restrictions to legal aid – such as banning foreigners from being handed it – and limiting the scope of the human rights act to exclude soldiers on the battlefield were among ideas under consideration.

@Blue Marlin , @James Jaevid ,@Steve781 ,@Vauban ,@Taygibay ,@Schutz . Did you see this? Western Europe liberal policies at it's best.

Read more: British sniper investigated for shooting an Iraqi 'without warning him' | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

I didn't know it went that far....

@Blue Marlin @flamer84 Do you imagine ?

'Sorry sir,(British soldier talking to a terrorist),but i'll shoot you !' 'You are now warned'.
Next time : 'British pilot under investigation for not warning ISIS before bombing them'.

 

[Frogman]

Lawyers: Sir, we would like to have a word with you about such and such case, can we do that?

Squaddie: Am I under caution?

L: No.

S: I will not talk to you unless I am under caution and with a legal representative.

L: Bugger!

Job jobbed.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I didn't know it went that far....

@Blue Marlin @flamer84 Do you imagine ?

'Sorry sir,(British soldier talking to a terrorist),but i'll shoot you !' 'You are now warned'.
Next time : 'British pilot under investigation for not warning ISIS before bombing them'.

they should do what israel did, knock, then bomb. yeh that was their excuse. use a small bomb on a building to slightly damage it (compleatly destroy) then come back to finish it off.

raf: excuse me mate, do mind me blowing you up into a million pieces?
isis: sure why not, but next time dont knock, just come in.
raf: thanks for clarifying
(2 mins later)

 

[Falcon29]

Mike again with his stupid, provocative threads that offer no value to the forum. UK shouldn't have been in Iraq in first place. It attacked the government in Iraq and contributed to the destruction and destabilization of Iraq. Then some right wing British folks have the nerve to pretend to have made positive impact on the region. Right wingers used to be people who favored logic/reason. Today they are less educated than the left generally. With some exceptions of course.

Lawyers: Sir, we would like to have a word with you about such and such case, can we do that?

Squaddie: Am I under caution?

L: No.

S: I will not talk to you unless I am under caution and with a legal representative.

L: Bugger!

Job jobbed.

I don't know where you get this impression that supporting an immoral and illegal war is supposed to make you appear more patriotic. You live in so called 'democracy' but this so called 'democracy' demonizes any critique of any form whether local or foreign. And hence you're intimidated by this reality, therefore you support bad historical decisions to feel accepted. The FP of the West needs to be up for debate. They are contributing to a lot of the political problems. And no, that doesn't mean the social or domestic issues facing the region.

Apparently mocking a mentally ill individuals murder makes the world a better place....Reported the thread. If there any people who have severe hatred/inhumanity please do us all a favor and fight ISIS face to face. We need less of both of you. Good riddance.

 

[Worf]

I'm assuming if the warning did happen, it would go something like this;

-'I say old chap, would you care for a bullet in the head?'
-'of course, it would be my pleasure'
then

 

[Blue Marlin]

Mike again with his stupid, provocative threads that offer no value to the forum. UK shouldn't have been in Iraq in first place. It attacked the government in Iraq and contributed to the destruction and destabilization of Iraq. Then some right wing British folks have the nerve to pretend to have made positive impact on the region. Right wingers used to be people who favored logic/reason. Today they are less educated than the left generally. With some exceptions of course.



I don't know where you get this impression that supporting an immoral and illegal war is supposed to make you appear more patriotic. You live in so called 'democracy' but this so called 'democracy' demonizes any critique of any form whether local or foreign. And hence you're intimidated by this reality, therefore you support bad historical decisions to feel accepted. The FP of the West needs to be up for debate. They are contributing to a lot of the political problems. And no, that doesn't mean the social or domestic issues facing the region.

Apparently mocking a mentally ill individuals murder makes the world a better place....Reported the thread. If there any people who have severe hatred/inhumanity please do us all a favor and fight ISIS face to face. We need less of both of you. Good riddance.

true we did fu*k up went there knowing they did not have wmd's but went on the assumption they did.
libya was another mess up.
welcome to the world of war, its evil and unforgiving, all in the name of blood money.

 

[Falcon29]

true we did fu*k up went there knowing they did not have wmd's but went on the assumption they did.
libya was another mess up.
welcome to the world of war, its evil and unforgiving, all in the name of blood money.

Unfortunately we do live in a war which functions in this manner, but we as a people can change that. For a start, we shouldn't be creating threads of this manner or justifying bad decisions.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Unfortunately we do live in a war which functions in this manner, but we as a people can change that. For a start, we shouldn't be creating threads of this manner or justifying bad decisions.

why should people change when they are profiting from war? (sad but true)
wars are mainly for economical gain. thats why north korea is still standing. theres no oil over there and it used to alienate south korea to buy more americain weapons.
we should create more threads like this. you dont understand as you dont live here so pipe down and watch.

 

[Falcon29]

why should people change when they are profiting from war? (sad but true)
wars are mainly for economical gain. thats why north korea is still standing. theres no oil over there and it used to alienate south korea to buy more americain weapons.
we should create more threads like this. you dont understand as you dont live here so pipe down and watch.

Not the people who profit from it, the ordinary ones like us. No we shouldn't create threads like this, Mike's threads are flame baiting anti-Muslim threads which he's been permabanned for in the past. This troll just spreads hatred/internal anger.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Not the people who profit from it, the ordinary ones like us. No we shouldn't create threads like this, Mike's threads are flame baiting anti-Muslim threads which he's been permabanned for in the past. This troll just spreads hatred/internal anger.

the people who profit from it are powerfull enough to influence governments. for those who dont gain anything from it are typically powerless.
i dont open threads like this but when someone who fought for your country is hounded by a lawyer then it's worth keeping.

the daily mail,sun,mirror, express are anti muslim papers i admit its somthing you have to live with. but papers like the guardian and the bbc are liberal. it dont affect me as the people who live in my area are good muslims and non muslims a like. so i dont bother with anything they say.