She's a Throughly Modern Muslim

[whocares]

my only quip. covering hair destroys beauty.

 

[araz]

Brother you didn't understand what i wrote no worries ..but iam not wrong anyhow you got your own belives and i got mines lets leave it to that.

Top Gun
My sincerest apologies if I have misunderstood you. You are indeeed entitled to your beliefs and I have the utmost of respect for that.
Kindest regards
Araz

 

[araz]

Hold on ur horses before u jump on me...

All I meant was how being both modern and muslim calls for a NEWS Story . Don't u get the irony !

The perceptions have changed this decade or may be i realized them this decade as i have grown up. what abt earlier decades ?

dvk1982
It seems it is an evening of back tracking and apologies.So let me tender one to you as well. It has been made into a news item as a result of a vicious cycle. The events leading upto the first Iraq war has led the whole of muslim world to take accouint of what is happenning and also of an introversion into their own beliefs and its conformity with islam. Within Islam itself there is a tug of war between the extremists, the moderates and the liberals. However, it has caused a certain anguish in the western circles , as some how, association with religion has been equated with extremism(hence the term islamic militancy). the west in turn is trying to project the liberals amongst us to present a more "enlightened "picture of Islam. In all of this melee are some good people like some of the ladies shown in the programme who have approached the problem practically and pragmatically. This is why they have become a source of interest.
I hope it has helped you in understanding where things are going in hte Islamic world.
Araz

 

[araz]

my only quip. covering hair destroys beauty.

EXACTLY THE REASON WHY IT IS HIDDEN. The islamic concept is that if you become inconspicuous , the chances of attracting unnecessary attention of the worse kind is avoided. secondly, if one is beautiful, that beauty should only be for the people who are allowed to see it, ie her family and husband. Why should it be exposed to every Tom Dick and Harry.
Araz

 

[whocares]

EXACTLY THE REASON WHY IT IS HIDDEN. The islamic concept is that if you become inconspicuous , the chances of attracting unnecessary attention of the worse kind is avoided. secondly, if one is beautiful, that beauty should only be for the people who are allowed to see it, ie her family and husband. Why should it be exposed to every Tom Dick and Harry.
Araz

well yeah, all religions are anti pleasure and into the business of making a woman the man's property.

what if a woman wants male attention? its her right to do so without fearing a brutish male who'd jump her.

 

[araz]

well yeah, all religions are anti pleasure and into the business of making a woman the man's property.

what if a woman wants male attention? its her right to do so without fearing a brutish male who'd jump her.

The problem with this argument is that no woman can choose the type of attention she generates. Secondly religions are not anti pleasure, they are anti leachery. As religions go islam is the first one that has given women many rights and even the right to choose her own partner, the right to own property and to trade, and a share in her husbands /fathers property, which in its time was revolutionary. I would contest that even after marriage a woman becomes a mans property. At least in Islam there are rights which a man has over a woman and rights which a woman has over a man. Yes when it comes to order of ascendency, Islam like all religions has given the right of ascendency,which is how it needs to be to maintain a system.
Araz

 

[whocares]

The problem with this argument is that no woman can choose the type of attention she generates. Secondly religions are not anti pleasure, they are anti leachery. As religions go islam is the first one that has given women many rights and even the right to choose her own partner, the right to own property and to trade, and a share in her husbands /fathers property, which in its time was revolutionary. I would contest that even after marriage a woman becomes a mans property. At least in Islam there are rights which a man has over a woman and rights which a woman has over a man. Yes when it comes to order of ascendency, Islam like all religions has given the right of ascendency,which is how it needs to be to maintain a system.
Araz

a woman should not have to worry about the kind of attention she generates. its the man's job to keep his baser urges under control. each person is responsible for their own urges and actions.

a divine command to women to cover up comes off as nothing but absurd.

 

[TOPGUN]

Top Gun
My sincerest apologies if I have misunderstood you. You are indeeed entitled to your beliefs and I have the utmost of respect for that.
Kindest regards
Araz

No apologies brother but thank for being kind enough to respond as i said we have our own belives but both have the same faith for ALLAH GOD bless you

 

[araz]

a woman should not have to worry about the kind of attention she generates. its the man's job to keep his baser urges under control. each person is responsible for their own urges and actions.

a divine command to women to cover up comes off as nothing but absurd.

So you kow the human being better than the creator???
You talk of an ideal world, which ha never existed and will never exist. The point to ponder is that you profess that women when they cover their hair look less beautiful and yet again you say that it is a mans jobto keep his baser instincts under control. Do you not see the irony in your statements.
Araz

 

[whocares]

So you kow the human being better than the creator???
You talk of an ideal world, which ha never existed and will never exist. The point to ponder is that you profess that women when they cover their hair look less beautiful and yet again you say that it is a mans jobto keep his baser instincts under control. Do you not see the irony in your statements.
Araz

well, i see nothing contradictory in that at all. i can perfectly appreciate someone's beauty without violating her. this isn't any kind of irony, this should be expected of all men.

 

[somya]

I could argue with you all night long and you will not understand. It is just a matter of what you believe in . If you believe in Allah and are a muslim , you have to obe y the dictates of the religion fully. If you dont----As it says in Quran, For you it is your way and for me it is mine.
You have to understand that you cant see a religious matterfrom the eyes of the world. Just adoprting modesty will not stop you from working should you need to, neither is beautifying your self in the eyes of men who are not your husbands/ family a necessity of work. Islam teaches modesty and avoids all routes of possible problems. http://www.defence.pk/forums/images/smilies/cute/toast_sign.gifAs such it is obligatory on those who believe to follow what Allah commands you. The decision however lies with you.
Araz

Thats why Sufism evolved in India as this statement is not correct.
If we follow this no two religions will integrate.
Sufism is the meeting point of Islam and Hinduism.

 

[somya]

So you kow the human being better than the creator???
You talk of an ideal world, which ha never existed and will never exist. The point to ponder is that you profess that women when they cover their hair look less beautiful and yet again you say that it is a mans jobto keep his baser instincts under control. Do you not see the irony in your statements.
Araz

Yes in Hinduism Human being may come first.

There is doha in Brij. let me translate for you.

If you have both God and Guru(Teacher) standing before you whose feet you will touch first.
The answer is Guru as it made you see the GOD.

 

[Hulk]

The person who want to rape might not necessarily change his mind if he looks at someone's Hizab. It is male possessiveness that keeps such culture alive, trust me next 50 years even Islam will change a lot, change is happening already.

 

[dvk1982]

Yes in Hinduism Human being may come first.

There is doha in Brij. let me translate for you.

If you have both God and Guru(Teacher) standing before you whose feet you will touch first.
The answer is Guru as it made you see the GOD.

guyz do u really believe arguing with religious fanatics change anything.. they go and die by what they read and follow, and never entertain the thought of DIVERSE VIEWS.
In short,
The realm of faith/religion by definition isn't AMENABLE to proof. Ur religious views or agenda have to be translated to universal terms amenable to REASON. Just by saying or claiming that U know better than those who contradict your idea of religion and what GODS like and don't- doesn't suffice common sense.

Leave this Araz "preacher" to himself.

 

[Luftwaffe]

So anyone defending and talk the right stuff about religion is called "religious fanatics", someone just can't get along with others can can't digest anything and i mean anything, that slimy worm in them won't let them rest at all. Aren't you fanatic to reject everything its a one of the trades and quality of fanatic person like you.

Just by saying or claiming that U know better than those who contradict your idea of religion and what GODS like and don't- doesn't suffice common sense.

Now tell me how are you justifying your self to have more common sense than others? you are being hypocritical in your statements.
Your statements clearly states you are right others are wrong. God is the creator and you are created, God knows You don't even if you are atheist, you should know where ever you came from some Superior being created you. You statements are nullified go rest now.

How stupid of you if someone talks right you call it preaching, did Araz force you to follow? he did present the Islamic point of view and explanation accept it or reject it.