Shenyang J-15 aircraft carrier-based aircraft

[AUSTERLITZ]

Nope they refuse to sell advanced engines alone after the j-11 incident.Only al-31 that china already has.They wouldn't sell su-35 engine alone,just so china can copy it.They put it in package to earn bucks for themselves.

 

[ice bomb]

Nope they refuse to sell advanced engines alone after the j-11 incident.Only al-31 that china already has.They wouldn't sell su-35 engine alone,just so china can copy it.They put it in package to earn bucks for themselves.

That is just poor journalism. They supplied lots of engines including engines for J20. And your post shows lack of understanding of how engines works. You can not copy an engine. Name me one unauthorized engine copied by the chinese.

The ws-10 is based on US tech, but it is not an exact copy of it.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Russia only supply rd-33 and al-31 engines,not any advanced types unless china bought su-35.Engine does not need to be copied,but u can take various features of it.After j-11 and j-15 chinese backstab russia don't trust chinese with anything.'Furious' is the word i heard again and again on russian forums.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

How china cheated russia on j-11 and j-15.Shameless stuff.
The Boresight: Slow Motion Train Wreck

 

[ice bomb]

Russia only supply rd-33 and al-31 engines,not any advanced types unless china bought su-35.Engine does not need to be copied,but u can take various features of it.After j-11 and j-15 chinese backstab russia don't trust chinese with anything.'Furious' is the word i heard again and again on russian forums.

Not reading my post carefully, do you? Why did they supply the engines for J-20 if they do not want to sell advanced engines? Read it carefully till you get it.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

They need the money,but don't want to give china hands on engine for cheap .So they force china to buy su-35 which russia itself won't use as more than stopgap.China buying su-35 now mostly to get its hand on the engine at inflated price.Russia use the money to further boost its pak fa,russian revenge for j-11 stab.Also buying lada ssk rejected by russian navy.

 

[ice bomb]

They need the money,but don't want to give china hands on engine for cheap .So they force china to buy su-35 which russia itself won't use as more than stopgap.China buying su-35 now mostly to get its hand on the engine at inflated price.Russia use the money to further boost its pak fa,russian revenge for j-11 stab.Also buying lada ssk rejected by russian navy.

I see instead of adressing the question regarding to engines on J-20, you stick your head in the sand with your silly russian gossips.

You build your fighter based on the engine, not the other way around.

And your arguments has gigantic holes on size of supernovas. If the russian dont want to sell the engines, why the f. sell the su-35 in the first place? And how did they force China to buy engines in the first place? It gets even more ridiculous with the price argument. Russia got a 60 billion annual budget, the chinese spend twice that. Inflated price? using the money on pak fa? force China to buy su-35? silly, plain silly. The annual sales of russian engines to China alone outstrips your socalled su-35 deal.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Russia just needs money,thats all.You people are just frustrated that after vehemently denying for 2 yrs that china didn't need su-35,russian propaganda etc etc,we build better engines so on and so forth,you found out that ultimately they had to go to russia and buy same su-35...that china apparently had absolutely no need of.The truth stares u in the face and u deny it,its not shame that developing countries may have trouble in developing certain high tech especially with tech sanctions.What is shameful is the way china blatantly steals techs and then forumers brag and deny .Why did china buy stopgap su-35 and russian navy reject lada....russia must be laughing fucked you just like they fucked us with vikramaditya.

 

[ice bomb]

I see you still stick to the stupid arguement of Russia needs money when they got a 60 billion dollars budget and they make good money on the annual sales of engines, helo and transporters to China. Hell even Iraq managed to buy 4 billions worth of russian hardwares. But russia is so desperate for a mere 2 billion sale of Su-35?
There is simply no cure for stupidity. Alas, at least I have tried to reason with you.

Mark Twain - "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Really?Then WHY did u buy the aircraft at all..if u didn't need any of it as chinese members have been claiming for past 2 yrs.You will not admit the truth and then calling me stupid.YOu are the one that doesn't see reason.Actions speak louder than words..and the action china has taken is buy 24 su-35 fighters that it apparently has no need of.Now let people make their own conclusions.

 

[Sasquatch]

Get back on topic the thread isn't about Russia.

 

[klub]

Guys I think I have an answer to China's claims of AESA on J11B.

SU 30MK3

The MKK3 was to possibly feature either the Phazotron Zhuk-MSF phased array radar, or a new "Panda" radar developed by Tikhomirov, which is based on Pero passive phased array radar, both were rumored to be under Chinese evaluation. Either radar would significantly improve the Su-30s air target detection range to 190 km and surface detection range at 300 km. It is uncertain whether the PLAN or PLAAF would order any of these aircraft, despite their significant advantages with their advanced radars. Therefore, if these radars passed Chinese tests, they will likely to be retrofitted to earlier MKK and MKK2 and even possibly Shenyang J-11 due to uncertain status of MKK3 project.

J15 in my opinion uses ZHUK MSE radar (MIG 29K uses ZHUK ME, MSE is version for Flanker). Good increment but a heavy class aircraft on an A/C away from land is a maintenance nightmare.

 

[Fsjal]

Guys I think I have an answer to China's claims of AESA on J11B.

SU 30MK3

The MKK3 was to possibly feature either the Phazotron Zhuk-MSF phased array radar, or a new "Panda" radar developed by Tikhomirov, which is based on Pero passive phased array radar, both were rumored to be under Chinese evaluation. Either radar would significantly improve the Su-30s air target detection range to 190 km and surface detection range at 300 km. It is uncertain whether the PLAN or PLAAF would order any of these aircraft, despite their significant advantages with their advanced radars. Therefore, if these radars passed Chinese tests, they will likely to be retrofitted to earlier MKK and MKK2 and even possibly Shenyang J-11 due to uncertain status of MKK3 project.

J15 in my opinion uses ZHUK MSE radar (MIG 29K uses ZHUK ME, MSE is version for Flanker). Good increment but a heavy class aircraft on an A/C away from land is a maintenance nightmare.

Why? Is the radar massive, because I heard the MKK3 was cancelled because that would mean China would need an MKI style Su-30, which cost alot of money, also, the MKK and MKK2 don't have enough power for the radar..

 

[klub]

Why? Is the radar massive, because I heard the MKK3 was cancelled because that would mean China would need an MKI style Su-30, which cost alot of money, also, the MKK and MKK2 don't have enough power for the radar..

Man this radar WAS designed for SU 30 MKK airframe but at lower performance to BARS (BARS is bigger). Congrats on PESA!

 

[Akasa]

Guys I think I have an answer to China's claims of AESA on J11B.

SU 30MK3

The MKK3 was to possibly feature either the Phazotron Zhuk-MSF phased array radar, or a new "Panda" radar developed by Tikhomirov, which is based on Pero passive phased array radar, both were rumored to be under Chinese evaluation. Either radar would significantly improve the Su-30s air target detection range to 190 km and surface detection range at 300 km. It is uncertain whether the PLAN or PLAAF would order any of these aircraft, despite their significant advantages with their advanced radars. Therefore, if these radars passed Chinese tests, they will likely to be retrofitted to earlier MKK and MKK2 and even possibly Shenyang J-11 due to uncertain status of MKK3 project.

J15 in my opinion uses ZHUK MSE radar (MIG 29K uses ZHUK ME, MSE is version for Flanker). Good increment but a heavy class aircraft on an A/C away from land is a maintenance nightmare.

Unfortunately these reports are nothing when compared to the information given by military insiders and the defense companies themselves.

- The AESA on the J-11B, not all of which have been retrofitted, are developed by the 607 institute and is the same model as the one installed on the J-15 and J-16

- It features 1760 T/R modules

- It can track a 0.4 m^2 target from 280 km away, meaning that it will be able to detect a 1 m^2 target from 450 km away or detect a 0.1 m^2 target from 250 km away

- Anything with a grey randome means that it has an AESA radar

- The test pilot of the J-10, Lei Qiang, said that the J-15 uses an AESA radar

- The idea that China relies on Russia for radar systems is absurd since they have had far more experience than the Russians in AESA radars and have deployed and developed far more models