Shenyang J-15 aircraft carrier-based aircraft

[Ahchai Eliminator]

in ur dreams..??

Don't troll, if you disagree with his post regarding the development path of Su-27 to J-11b, show source to debunk his post not some idiotic trash please. And na, dreams are monopoly for Indians only to stay alive.

 

[alibaz]

I do not rule out the possibility that China could return to negotiations with Russia on the purchase of a substantial batch of Su-33s," said Col. (Ret.) Igor Korotchenko, a member of the Defense Ministry's Public Council.

This is what Russians actually desire

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

good the Russians develop first decades before a plane then the Chinese copy it decased later.... so just imagine where the Russians will be by the time you copy the plane...
and also considering that it is easy to copy the looks but not the exact performance which can never be acheived in a copy...

China cant even copy(with same performance) the Cars or Bike what to speak of fighter planes....

or is the developer is lesss intelligent then the one who copied...!!

 

[Ahchai Eliminator]

good the Russians develop first decades before a plane then the Chinese copy it decased later.... so just imagine where the Russians will be by the time you copy the plane...
and also considering that it is easy to copy the looks but not the exact performance which can never be acheived in a copy...

China cant even copy(with same performance) the Cars or Bike what to speak of fighter planes....

or is the developer is lesss intelligent then the one who copied...!!

See, you are trolling again, rant without a single source to back yourself up just for the purpose to troll and degrade Chinese fighter plane. Now open your eyes and learn something called "Facts"

The J-11B is not an exact clone of the Su-27SK, despite the commonly held view this is so. The airframe and engines can be considered to be 'cloned' but the systems are mostly unique to this variant.

Known differences include:

1. A Chinese IRST set located in the centreline position as with the OLS-27 in early Su-27S.

2. A planar array multimode radar which resembles the Phazotron Zhuk-27 series. It includes an IFF interrogator array.

3. An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.

4. A unique glass cockpit design, with an asymmetric layout quite different from the Su-30MKK/MK2 and Su-27SMK.

5. An optical MAWS system claimed to operate in the UV band.
6. Dielectric panels on the stabilators not seen on any Russian variant.

The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A.
Shenyang J-11B Sino-Flanker

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

See, you are trolling again, rant without a single source to back yourself up just for the purpose to troll and degrade Chinese fighter plane. Now open your eyes and learn something called "Facts"



The J-11B is not an exact clone of the Su-27SK, despite the commonly held view this is so. The airframe and engines can be considered to be 'cloned' but the systems are mostly unique to this variant.

Known differences include:

1. A Chinese IRST set located in the centreline position as with the OLS-27 in early Su-27S.

2. A planar array multimode radar which resembles the Phazotron Zhuk-27 series. It includes an IFF interrogator array.

3. An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.

4. A unique glass cockpit design, with an asymmetric layout quite different from the Su-30MKK/MK2 and Su-27SMK.

5. An optical MAWS system claimed to operate in the UV band.
6. Dielectric panels on the stabilators not seen on any Russian variant.

The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A.
Shenyang J-11B Sino-Flanker

it is not about J-11, though do u mean to say by above post that the Chinese have surpassed the Russians in the Fighter planes technology....!!... to copy is something else, to produce performance is smthng else....

and then havent the Russians upgraded their planes..??? if you can first copy their plane after decades and claim to improve it then Russians were already working for all those decades on more advanced things...

could u provide inputs for why is the copied J-15 is better then the Russian Su-33..????

 

[alibaz]

it is not about J-11, though do u mean to say by above post that the Chinese have surpassed the Russians in the Fighter planes technology....!!... to copy is something else, to produce performance is smthng else....

and then havent the Russians upgraded their planes..??? if you can first copy their plane after decades and claim to improve it then Russians were already working for all those decades on more advanced things...

could u provide inputs for why is the copied J-15 is better then the Russian Su-33..????

I dont see any one claiming superiority of J-15 over SU-33 or J-11 over SU-27 or vice versa.

 

[Ahchai Eliminator]

it is not about J-11, though do u mean to say by above post that the Chinese have surpassed the Russians in the Fighter planes technology....!!... to copy is something else, to produce performance is smthng else....

and then havent the Russians upgraded their planes..??? if you can first copy their plane after decades and claim to improve it then Russians were already working for all those decades on more advanced things...

could u provide inputs for why is the copied J-15 is better then the Russian Su-33..????

Yeah right, you are the one who accused Chinese so-called copy of Russian plane are inferior and i debunked you with "Facts' now you got your mouth shut and you going back to your old habit, bash for the sake of bashing without providing any source to back your bad breath from your big mouth, now either you provide any "Public" information, "Specifications" to prove J-15 is inferior to SU-33 or you are just shamelessly trolling period.

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

Yeah right, you are the one who accused Chinese so-called copy of Russian plane are inferior and i debunked you with "Facts' now you got your mouth shut and you going back to your old habit, bash for the sake of bashing without providing any source to back your bad breath from your big mouth, now either you provide any "Public" information, "Specifications" to prove J-15 is inferior to SU-33 or you are just shamelessly trolling period.

yeah only u upgraded ur J-11(copied decades later..), while all those decades what Russia would be doing is what u forget...

U claim it to be better so u prove how is it better, the onus is on u buddy..??

 

[Ahchai Eliminator]

yeah only u upgraded ur J-11(copied decades later..), while all those decades what Russia would be doing is what u forget...

U claim it to be better so u prove how is it better, the onus is on u buddy..??

Post being reported for trolling "without providing one single source" to back up your rants despite you got warn and post being deleted by Mod

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

Post being reported for trolling "without providing one single source" to back up your rants despite you got warn and post being deleted by Mod

what i cant ask u why u keep saying J-15 is better then Su 33..???

n what post u have made to say that J-15 is better then su-33..
i would say it is u who is trolling without being logical....

i am all for debate....already the article claims that j-15 is much inferior to Su-33, so why dont u go and search and prove that J-15 is better rather then senselessly criticizing others..

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

Post being reported for trolling "without providing one single source" to back up your rants despite you got warn and post being deleted by Mod

and mind it dont try to be extra clever...post being deleted is differnt from being warned...Mods know better then u...

 

[SQ8]

The Eurocopter representative at IDEAS 2008 had similar views about the Z-9.

 

[ptldM3]

Pull my hair and call me Sally but this is the third such thread in several days.....leave it and move on.

 

[SomeGuy]

it is not about J-11, though do u mean to say by above post that the Chinese have surpassed the Russians in the Fighter planes technology....!!... to copy is something else, to produce performance is smthng else....

and then havent the Russians upgraded their planes..??? if you can first copy their plane after decades and claim to improve it then Russians were already working for all those decades on more advanced things...

Nobody is saying that Chinese have surpassed Russians.

What I'm simply saying is that J-11B is superior to any flanker variant that Russia has supplied to China.

So basically, Chinese took Su-27SK and upgraded it to make it better than Su-30MKK2.

If J-11B is nothing but a simple copy, then China would still be relying on Russia to supply MKK2 for advanced planes.

And for your information, it did not take the Chinese decades to produce J-11B.
The original contract for the basic J-11 was signed in 1996. Production of the basic model stopped in 2004 to make way for J-11B (that's 8 years) - so it's not even 1 decade let alone the "decades" you keep mentioning.

could u provide inputs for why is the copied J-15 is better then the Russian Su-33..????

Nobody knows the capabilities of the J-15 and nobody is saying that J-15 is better.

However you can make a few reasonable assumptions and come to the conclusion that J-15, at the very least, will not be inferior to Su-33.

Su-33 was designed in the early 80's and entered service in the mid 90's i.e. when Russia was bankrupt. It is reasonable to assume that no upgrades/improvements were made during this period. Even now, as Russia is starting to become strong it is not looking to upgrade these but to replace them with MiG-29K as the primary carrier-based fighters or possibly even a Su-35 derivative.

Even the MKK2 is more advanced than Su-33, and China has already bettered that with J-11B.

China might have problems adapting a plane for carrier operations since it has little experience in this field, other than that there is no reason why J-15 should be inferior to Su-33.

 

[xuxu1457]

Sukhoi CEO denied that China copied any Su Jet in 2008,he said that China purchased the Intellectual property rights of Su-27 from Russia in 1996,J-11A and J11B were updated upon the Intellectual property rights,were not any copy of any Jet~~China is also the only Asian country purchased the Intellectual property rights of AK-47,even 53 countries （include India ,USA~~）producted AK47,but only 2 countries(Venezuela and China) purchased the Intellectual property rights~
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