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You have got to be joking. Iran is one of the worst offenders of minority and religious rights in the whole region if not the worst int he world (yes even worst than the taliban).

Have you ever once asked yourself or thought of what happened to the majority sunnis since 1600's? Iran literally is the only nation in history that did a genocide against its own majority population/religion for over 200 years until it was completely ALMOST wiped out. Your leaders did not allow sunni mosqus, sunni prayers, even sunni graves for hundreds of years. Iran has attempted state sponsored genocide on kurds, turkmen, azeris and baloch which anyone who does basic research knows about.

Even today look how sunnis, jews, bahais are treated in Iran. Iran has discriminated against its own Abrahamic brother religions in a way even the israelis have not done with palestinians. How many palestinians have israeli killed??? compare than with how many of its own persian sunnis iranians have killed? that number runs into millions without even include ETHNIC minorities.

I hate to say but India has not even done 20% to kashmirirs what Iranians have done to sunnis or ethnic minorities. If you wanna talk about the spanish inquisition against muslims/jews than talk also about the Sunni genocide in iran done by shias. Iran is literally a genocidical persian/shia majoritarian state.

Today most of your population hates your islamic republic, hates your shia religion, and fully understands the history of the safavid terrorist mindset. Dont you feel ashamed to be supporting such a murderous regime?

At the end of the day it takes more courage to speak out against injustice done by your own govt to not speak and to even support
According to corrupt and brutal atheist leaders (under the disguise of Sunni Islam), yes there was a genocide, but according to others, Iran has always been a Shiah majority country and that's how Safavids managed to conquer Iran, and those who weren't Shiah or Muslim (Jew/Christian) kept living peacefully among the rest, even in the Safavid capital city.

Few west-funded terrorists who kill their own ethnic for not joining them doesn't represent the pro-Iran whole. first try to gather another ISIS terrorist group from one race, then start blabbering about your sectarian BS.

Your words wont hide the filthy history of west and Israel's genocide across the world.
 
Have you ever once asked yourself or thought of what happened to the majority sunnis since 1600's? Iran literally is the only nation in history that did a genocide against its own majority population/religion for over 200 years until it was completely ALMOST wiped out.
have you asked what happened to majority Zoroastrian of Iran before Islam ?
small part just converted, the rest were shia to begin with

Your leaders did not allow sunni mosqus, sunni prayers, even sunni graves for hundreds of years.
that is the most absurd claims ever
 
According to corrupt and brutal atheist leaders (under the disguise of Sunni Islam), yes there was a genocide, but according to others, Iran has always been a Shiah majority country and that's how Safavids managed to conquer Iran, and those who weren't Shiah or Muslim (Jew/Christian) kept living peacefully among the rest, even in the Safavid capital city.

Few west-funded terrorists who kill their own ethnic for not joining them doesn't represent the pro-Iran whole. first try to gather another ISIS terrorist group from one race, then start blabbering about your sectarian BS.

Your words wont hide the filthy history of west and Israel's genocide across the world.

Put it together is today supposed to be april fools? Safavids were part of majority? 😂 beta your great grandparents were sunni. Iran was sunni 4x longer than it was majority shia ie 800 years. Persian scholars had a huge impact on islam and sunni thought.

Safavid were minority turkish invaders who forcefully and brutally converted iranian people to shiaism. Please just read about the genocidal manic methods employed by the shias to convert iran. It will make israelis look like heros.

Today look at what blood iran has spilled from iraq, to syria, to its own sunnis. Thousands if not hundred of thousanda killed by iranian shia militias. Nothing against shias. Azerbaijan, iraq are NORMAL shia states. No one is asking iran to convert but please learn to live like civilized normal state that is all.

Today your regime kills its own populace, its own women, kills innocent ukrainans by supplying murderous russian weapons.

What has ukraine ever done to iran? Nada zilch. Russia invaded your land multiple times including with the british. Dont forget it was the punjab regiment that occupied tehran in ww2 when your people were riding camels. Karma will come back to bite your regime. Thats my promise.
 
Iran has attempted state sponsored genocide on kurds, turkmen, azeris and baloch which anyone who does basic research knows about.
well enlighten us, sadly we don't have your research credentials
 
Safavid were minority turkish invaders who forcefully and brutally converted iranian people to shiaism. Please just read about the genocidal manic methods employed by the shias to convert iran. It will make israelis look like heros.
in fact they were part Kurdish , part Azeri . if you have used that vast research knowledge you had known it . beside that you could use a google search to knew that the sect change practice in Iran done by Sunni extremist dynasty like invading Ghaznavi Sunni Extremist
Today look at what blood iran has spilled from iraq, to syria, to its own sunnis. Thousands if not hundred of thousanda killed by iranian shia militias. Nothing against shias.
so it become clear , you are an extremist ISIS & Co. supporter or at least brainwashed by them
Today your regime kills its own populace, its own women, kills innocent ukrainans by supplying murderous russian weapons.
Crocodile tears
What has ukraine ever done to iran? Nada zilch.
business we learned that from Europe.
what did we do to Germany , French , Britain , Sweden and .... that Provided Saddam with chemical weapons and tools to make them to use them on our cities and civilians

ussia invaded your land multiple times including with the british.
USSR and Ukraine was part of USSR , in fact the working machine behind USSR
 
Put it together is today supposed to be april fools? Safavids were part of majority? 😂 beta your great grandparents were sunni. Iran was sunni 4x longer than it was majority shia ie 800 years. Persian scholars had a huge impact on islam and sunni thought.
flash news , Persian Scholars also had huge impact on Islam and Shia thought
 
That's a people elected government and represents them. no excuse is accepted.

If they are as corrupt or as fool to support such crimes, then we have to shake them a little to notify them of the consequences of their choices.

Maybe the people who vote them.

But that is always a part of the people and never the whole people.

Shaheds-136 damage whole Ukrainian people.
 
This was used to attack Ukraine power grid. Power grid is not a moving target. All the massive mess this thing have made in Ukraine is related to electricity power grid, that's all, and that is not a moving target.

If one Shahed-136 attacked one moving target one time, maybe it was not a Shahed-136.

About the West blablabla, I'm westerner, I didnt sell weapons to anyone and I dont support if my state sells weapons to attack civilians, everywhere in the world.

But you support Iran selling this thing, well, it's up to you. You and the troll gang who support that have the mental problem, good luck to you all!
Yes,the point that I was trying,rather unsuccessfully to make it seems,is that these systems have the ability to be upgraded depending on the target type.In the case of the ukraine where the targets are mainly large fixed infrastructure,well then one doesnt need much more than a satellite assisted ins,however if one is going for other types then one will need other extra capabilities,such as in the case of the mercer st,and the wreckage from that clearly shows it to be a shahed 131/136 type
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Recognise those vertical stablizers?

Well,I`m glad to hear that you for one dont support what the west is doing,however the point that I`ve been trying to make is that if its alright for the west to sell weapons to nations in the mena region who then use them on civilians,then how can it be wrong for iran to sell weapons to a european country who then uses them on european civlians?
And lets not also forget that it is the west who sells the bulk of the worlds weapons,with the us by far being the number one arms seller,by comparison irans arms sales are tiny.
 
Put it together is today supposed to be april fools? Safavids were part of majority? 😂 beta your great grandparents were sunni. Iran was sunni 4x longer than it was majority shia ie 800 years. Persian scholars had a huge impact on islam and sunni thought.

Safavid were minority turkish invaders who forcefully and brutally converted iranian people to shiaism. Please just read about the genocidal manic methods employed by the shias to convert iran. It will make israelis look like heros.

Today look at what blood iran has spilled from iraq, to syria, to its own sunnis. Thousands if not hundred of thousanda killed by iranian shia militias. Nothing against shias. Azerbaijan, iraq are NORMAL shia states. No one is asking iran to convert but please learn to live like civilized normal state that is all.

Today your regime kills its own populace, its own women, kills innocent ukrainans by supplying murderous russian weapons.

What has ukraine ever done to iran? Nada zilch. Russia invaded your land multiple times including with the british. Dont forget it was the punjab regiment that occupied tehran in ww2 when your people were riding camels. Karma will come back to bite your regime. Thats my promise.
Centuries before Safavids, Ma'mun, the so called Sunni khalifa brought Shiah's 8th Imam to Iran and superficially acknowledged his position (Shiah believes) to gain the support of Shiah Iranians and Iraqis, this indicates that contrary to your fake history, Iranians were never Sunni.

sorry to burst your bubble of delusion.
 
At least I claim that, unlike Iranians who support this weapon to attack civilian infrastructure.

Maybe I lie or maybe not, but the Iranian here are publicly proud of the selling of this weapon to attack basic needs of civilian people, they even dont try to lie.

Even a hypocryte is less bad than a evil proud of attack civilians.

So you won't deny that when you proclaim to care about the plight of civilians, it may be nothing but a disingenuous cover to contribute to the propaganda against Iran?

People who pursue destructive agendas under the pretense of lofty values, are definitely worse than those advocating similarly destructive measures but being open about it. Except that actually, there's no similarity here. For all you could come up with in your attempt at demonizing Iran, is Russia's use of allegedly Iranian-supplied drones against power plants in Ukraine. Against power plants, not "civilians". Case in point, I'm not aware of any reported civilian death as a result of those strikes at the Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

There's no comparison between this and the massive wanton killings of civilians consecutive to western-imposed wars. And yet, it's the former you're portraying as the epitome of "evil", not the latter. Hence why users have rightly called out your rhetoric. Now please spare us the comical crocodile tears. You understand full well how this sort of narrative has no leg to stand on.



You have got to be joking. Iran is one of the worst offenders of minority and religious rights in the whole region if not the worst int he world (yes even worst than the taliban).

The exact opposite is the case: in Iran minorities are in a great position, historically Iran's been a beacon of inclusiveness and tolerance. Better not comment on topics you're not sufficiently knowledgeable of.

One needs to have quite the nerve to pretend that Iran ranks last in the region, when a country like Saudi Arabia won't allow Christians for example to practice their faith openly; when in Pakistan, Shia Moslem citizens and followers of other denominations and faiths are murdered on a regular basis for their sole religious affiliation; and so on, and so forth.

Have you ever once asked yourself or thought of what happened to the majority sunnis since 1600's?

Sure have. I read extensively on Iranian history from authoritative academic sources. Have you (and by authoritative sources, I don't mean obscure Shiaphobic propaganda sites on the internet, but proper books included in university libraries)?

Iran literally is the only nation in history that did a genocide against its own majority population/religion for over 200 years until it was completely ALMOST wiped out.

Iranians adopted Shia Islam, which was already close to their beliefs.

Not a single serious historian has spoken of genocide in this context - unlike the genocide of Native Americans at the hands of Spanish colonialists. Which goes to show how out of touch your claims are.

Iran has attempted state sponsored genocide on kurds, turkmen, azeris and baloch which anyone who does basic research knows about.

No, Iran hasn't and this contention is thoroughly disconnected from reality. Why don't you share bibliographic citations relative to that "basic research", because it definitely isn't conforming to common findings on Iranian history.

Even today look how sunnis, jews, bahais are treated in Iran. Iran has discriminated against its own Abrahamic brother religions in a way even the israelis have not done with palestinians.

They are treated in an exemplary manner, enjoy full religious freedom, are well integrated socially and economically, and benefit from top notch safety - as opposed to the situation in certain countries neighboring Iran, where members of religious minorities constantly have to fear for their lives.

The Haifan Bahai organization is an extraordinary case since it is closely linked to the zionist regime, Iran's primary existential enemy. Even so, Bahais aren't randomly persecuted let alone physically eliminated, which is why a leading liberal politician like Faeze Rafsanjani can hold meetings with local Bahai leaders and publish photographs of herself sitting next to them.

I confronted you before on these talking points, with a documented response supported by hard evidence and concrete figures. Whilst you're simply producing slogans with no concrete element to substantiate them. Then you left the discussion, visibly unable to counter the facts enumerated:


How many palestinians have israeli killed??? compare than with how many of its own persian sunnis iranians have killed? that number runs into millions without even include ETHNIC minorities.

Where are you pulling these crazy stories from?

Under the Islamic Republic, nobody was killed by state authorities based on their mere religious or linguistic backgrounds.

I hate to say but India has not even done 20% to kashmirirs what Iranians have done to sunnis or ethnic minorities. If you wanna talk about the spanish inquisition against muslims/jews than talk also about the Sunni genocide in iran done by shias. Iran is literally a genocidical persian/shia majoritarian state.

To reiterate, no serious historian has spoken of "genocide" in the Iranian context, nor even of such massive killings. Iranians weren't forced into Shia Islam, which had a long presence in Iran by the time when the Safavids rose to power, and Sunni Muslims weren't killed off.

Today most of your population hates your islamic republic, hates your shia religion, and fully understands the history of the safavid terrorist mindset. Dont you feel ashamed to be supporting such a murderous regime?

First of all, no, they don't. Those western- and zionist-supported rioters do not even total 150.000 individuals out of 85 million.

Second of all, I'd advise against projecting Shiaphobic bias upon the anti-clerical crowd, for they despise Sunni Islam at least as much as Shia Islam. You're viewing Iranian affairs through a sectarianist prism fabricated by certain quarters, and it makes you reach baseless conclusions.

Third of all, those same Safavids you're mentioning weren't Persian but Azari and Kurdish. So what happened to this evil "Persian / Shia majoritarian state" you were chastising just one sentence earlier?

At the end of the day it takes more courage to speak out against injustice done by your own govt to not speak and to even support

Most courageous of all are those standing up to the imperialist powers to be. It takes a unique dose of bravery not avoid jumping on the conformist bandwagon, to think critically and to independently examine the massive disinformation peddled by the mainstream media against Iran.
 
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Iraq, war was made under false pretenses but Iran came out on top

Against Washington's will.

let’s be honest Iranian government was ecstatic that America took out saddam, Taliban

It wasn't. Having hundreds of thousands of USA troops on Iran's western and eastern borders simultaneously, while seeing a warmongering neocon regime in Washington place Iran on its so-called "axis of evil", implied a pressing security threat of the highest order.

iran hated it just as much as America

Difference being that the Taleban and Saddam weren't remotely as powerful as the USA regime. They didn't pose a serious threat to Iran, whereas the regime in Washington definitely did and does.

and unless I’m mistaken iran helped out covertly there’s plenty of articles that mention iran helping

Most of which is actually baseless propaganda. In Afghanistan, Iran simply intervened to prevent wholesale destruction of Herat at the hands of NATO. As far as Iraq's concerned, Iran did not work with the illegal invaders whatsoever.

and people now are saying Ukraine supports Isis, pretty much every country in the world has citizens that fight for Isis or jihadist.

Few countries have presidential advisers who speak highly of "I"SIS terrorists:


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Against Washington's will.



No it wasn't. Having hundreds of thousands of USA troops on Iran's western and eastern borders simultaneously, while having a warmongering neocon regime in Washington's place Iran on its so-called "axis of evil", implied an major security threat of the highest order.



Difference being that the Taleban and Saddam weren't remotely as powerful as the USA regime. They didn't pose a serious threat to Iran, whereas the regime in Washington definitely did and does.



Most of which is baseless propaganda. In Afghanistan, Iran simply intervened to prevent wholesale destruction of Herat at the hands of NATO. As far as Iraq's concerned, Iran did not work with the illegal invaders whatsoever.



Not every country has a presidential adviser who speaks highly of "I"SIS terrorists:


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Ok so from your response Shias would have better off living under Saddam, Taliban was right to kill off Iranian diplomats and help facilitate 9/11 because they are weaker, also by that definition Kurds in Iraq can kill iranian troops and civilians in iran because they are weaker and Iran shouldn’t be allowed to attack a sovereign nation lands, I don’t actually disagree with Iran attacking pkk pointing out similarities. Honestly Im trying to find the article or news on that comment he supposedly made only found one from a site called green city times not clicking on it could be a virus, also because I don’t speak or understand Ukrainian just reading subtitles isn’t going to do it for me. Also if you want to respond can we take to chill section.
 
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Ok so from your response Shias would have better off living under Saddam, Taliban was right to kill off Iranian diplomats and help facilitate 9/11 because they are weaker, also by that definition Kurds in Iraq can kill iranian troops and civilians in iran because they are weaker and Iran shouldn’t be allowed to attack a sovereign nation lands, I don’t actually disagree with Iran attacking pkk pointing out similarities.

I wasn't addressing any the above mentioned elements, so your inference isn't addressing my response.

You claimed Iranian authorities were ecstatic about the illegal invasion of Iraq because it led to Saddam's removal - that would be an incorrect characterization of the Iranian standpoint. Saddam, who was no longer posing a challenge to Iran, got replaced by a supreme threat, that of a neocon-led USA regime which had Iran in its crosshairs. It's quite simple, really, and undeniable to boot.
 
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