Several Mosques Attacked in France Overnight, No Casualties

[Rasengan]

if it helps, than burn the mosques and Deport all Muslims from France

So you want to deport 10% of the population outside of France and burn all mosque within the country. Tremendous logic...seriously you are no different to the extremists lunatics. How is the burning of the mosque going in Pakistan...oh yeah you lot don't even have the guts to remove Burkha Imam from Islamabad and your preaching to other countries.

 

[Audio]

Tell me why it's impossible? Are the Middle Eastern states unwilling to sell oil to the rest of the world or buy Western goods?

I edited above post for more clarification, but nvm...

Supply stability, geographical reasons (ME is next door), economic ties other than oil (Arabs are investing heavily for post oil period-and have helped Europe companies with liquidity in crunch times recently, they are paying vast sums of money to European architects and urbanization/transportation companies to transform their cities into places that attract human capital.).

I do not exclude that at some point in those 30-50 years someone goes snap and removes the Saudi clergy, making Saudi king's life much easier as he will no longer have to go seek support for reforms from a rebellious religious upper structure.

There's also the issue of Iran Saudi rivalry, for which European immigrant suburbs are proving to be fruitful recruiting grounds. When that is removed, things will go better, until then i find it a useless policy to remove yourself from an area which directly influences you through population with ties in ME.

 

[raptor22]

Tough love.
Go on. Your freedom of expression.
Unless you try to take away my freedoms or harm me, wherein I will defend myself.

I am doing right now, the point is the goal of criticizing is enlightening to enrich and boost mutual understanding while insulting mere aim is to humiliate.

On God, I didn't want you to prove there is no God just I wanted to make it clear that our knowledge about universe is zero so no one can prove the existence of God and vise versa.
interesting:

Fred Hoyle: "What are the chances that a tornado might blow through a junkyard containing the parts of a 747 and just accidentally assemble it so as to leave it sitting there all set for take-off. "So small as to be negligible," he says, "even if a tornado were to blow through enough junkyards to fill the whole Universe"​

 

[ozzy22]

I edited above post for more clarification, but nvm...

Supply stability, geographical reasons (ME is next door), economic ties other than oil (Arabs are investing heavily for post oil period-and have helped Europe companies with liquidity in crunch times recently, they are paying vast sums of money to European architects and urbanization/transportation companies to transform their cities into places that attract human capital.).

I do not exclude that at some point in those 30-50 years someone goes snap and removes the Saudi clergy, making Saudi king's life much easier as he will no longer have to go seek support for reforms from a rebellious religious upper structure.

There's also the issue of Iran Saudi rivalry, for which European immigrant suburbs are proving to be fruitful recruiting grounds. When that is removed, things will go better, until then i find it a useless policy to remove yourself from an area which directly influences you through population with ties in ME.

Tell me when has Western interference help “supply stability” in fact it has done the exact opposite on numerous occasions and the rest of your post had nothing to do with my question or make much sense.

When has Western interference to the Middle East been beneficial to anyone?

 

[StormShadow]

We Muslims should play a more active role in combating extremism and the West can do it's part and stay out of the Middle East. Which has done nothing, but make more extremists and has destabilized the Greater Middle East.

This will happen in the middle east as well if not for the west. This is 8/jan/2015 news. If only the west was present in Africa as well. These radical b@stards wont think twice to wipe out the humanity just because they worship other gods!

2000 feared killed as Boko Haram burns town!!!!

 

[haviZsultan]

I think we should look for answers within. Why are our people so gullible and easily mislead by terrorists. From Nigeria to Indonesia we have been nurturing terrorists. Why have we not taught that secularism is perfectly compatible with Islam. Why are we brainwashing our children to kill innocents.

We have to seek answers that why Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan are on fire even though all are muslim countries. We can blame foreigners constantly but the answer is to be found in our own mentality. We seek to impose our ideas on others. We mistreat minorities in our own homes and have nurtured a monster in our backyard.

What was the use I ask today of the Afghan Soviet war. We defeated the Soviets for what? So that we became Jihadis.

Time to preach the message of sufism, time to tell people about the muta'zilite line of thought. Time to talk about the Din e Ilahi. Only by seeking out our true roots will we solve this never ending problem. Terrorism needs a bullet in the head.

Meanwhile look at Turkey, progressing with no terrorist attacks there.

 

[ozzy22]

It was always beneficial to the west and to those ME entities hich decided to have good relations with it.

I’m not talking about diplomatic relations. I’m talking about starting two pointless wars. Funding and arming rebels/ terrorists and then playing dumb and acting like you had no responsibility in arming/funding them. Why don't you Westerners take some responsibility and stop with this holy than thou attitude. Your governments are partly to be blamed for this whole mess.

This will happen in the middle east as well if not for the west. This is 8/jan/2015 news. If only the west was present in Africa as well. These radical b@stards wont think twice to wipe out the humanity just because they worship other gods!

2000 feared killed as Boko Haram burns town!!!!

If I wanted to debate with someone like you or hear your borderline retarded comments I would go to YouTube. Maybe you should worry about the countless issues India has, rather than worry about what Muslims do in Africa.

 

[xyxmt]

Please. Its time to get out of this 'terrorists have no religion'. Terrorists belong to religions. They interpret them, as per their school of thought. If the rest of the people, keep saying, they are not true believers, its hiding. Its unconciously supporting them.

If they are not corrected by their own, they will be massacred by the rest and there will be collateral damage. That's history.

it has already started, but remember history was never predicted before it happened, it mostly went against the popular predictions...yet you are predicting an outcome.

 

[psynic]

If these attacks continue to happen then France is going to move towards civil war.

Highly unlikely. In any case, muslims are barely 5-7% of the population and are economically backward than the average, so it would be a one-sided ethnic cleansing/genocide, not a civil war. It won't be good for hindus/sikhs either who'd be clubbed with the muslims.

 

[Audio]

I’m not talking about diplomatic relations. I’m talking about starting two pointless wars. Funding and arming rebels/ terrorists and then playing dumb and acting like you had no responsibility in arming/funding them. Why don't you Westerners take some responsibility and stop with this holy than thou attitude. Your governments are partly to be blamed for this whole mess.

Everything has a reason:

Iraq '91 was a defense of an ally, which was invaded by an indebted neighbour, to easier repay his debt, incurred in Iraq-Iran war. Even before Iraq's invasion on Kuwait, it has become evident to some (this you know if you read some books about that period-particularly books about Saddam) that the bulwark Saudi's had built against Shia Iran is becoming too much of a menace.
So, Iraq, if you believe some, was forced virtue of denied further loans, into a default, or into procuring funds to repay debt in whatever way it could. Saddam chose second option, he saw Kuwait as apropriate, even conjured up some myth about 19th Iraqi region.
Desert Storm came, but Bush Sr. failed to advance and hammer the Iraqi defeat and transform it into demise of the Baath and Saddam. At that time, US was still wary of being seen as the exploiter of the only superpower status.

So, sanctions came, with them hopes Iraqis would rebel, but Saddam got progressively harder and brutal. They kind of muddled along, until Bush Jr. decided for whatever reason (i think it was a combination of spoils of war and Saudi urging spiced with a bit of vendetta for Saddam trying to assasinate his father and just the general ease with which he could push a war through, immediately post 9/11) to go in and topple the Baath once and for all.

If it was indeed in Saudi interest (at the same time rooting for Iran sanctions), they sorely miscalculated the follow on effects, (which wouldn't be the first time, recall what i wrote earlier about Saddam and bulwark against Iran), they most likely thought Sunni's would come on top again, but then Americans screwed up by disbanding post invasion, Iraqi police and army, and thus destroying the entire structure of the country, creating a vacuum in which various outfits sprung into existence..
Some of the same police and army personnel would later join remnants of Baath fighting to reestablish Iraq under their rule and some of these same Baathists are said to be behind ISIS.

 

[surya kiran]

it has already started, but remember history was never predicted before it happened, it mostly went against the popular predictions...yet you are predicting an outcome.

I am not predicting, my friend. I fear, not prophesize.

 

[StormShadow]

If I wanted to debate with someone like you or hear your borderline retarded comments I would go to YouTube. Maybe you should worry about the countless issues India has, rather than worry about what Muslims do in Africa.

Or you should just reply to the point or keep quiet if you just cant do that. And dont preach me what to do....since pakistan has lot more problems than India and still you are here in this thread lecturing me. I say it again...reply to the point and if you are incompetent to do that, just stay quiet.

 

[jamahir]

Make a solution around this. Staying out of ME is not possible, for obvious reasons, supply stability mainly, also geographically, ME is right next door. At least for another 30 years, likely 50+ i find it difficult to imagine any major shifts. If all goes to plan with electricity novelties and fusion.

just as an aside, there is gas from russia into western europe plus the north sea reserves plus biofuel that is sustainable energy.

 

[ozzy22]

Everything has a reason:

Iraq '91 was a defense of an ally, which was invaded by an indebted neighbour, to easier repay his debt, incurred in Iraq-Iran war. Even before Iraq's invasion on Kuwait, it has become evident to some (this you know if you read some books about that period-particularly books about Saddam) that the bulwark Saudi's had built against Shia Iran is becoming too much of a menace.
So, Iraq, if you believe some, was forced virtue of denied further loans, into a default, or into procuring funds to repay debt in whatever way it could. Saddam chose second option, he saw Kowait as apropriate, even conjured up some myth about 19th Iraqi region.
Desert Storm came, but Bush Sr. failed to advance and hammer the Iraqi defeat and transform it into demise of the Baath and Saddam. At that time, US was still wary of being seen as the exploiter of the only superpower status.

So, sanctions came, with them hopes Iraqis would rebel, but Saddam got progressively harder and brutal. They kind of muddled along, until Bush Jr. decided for whatever reason (i think it was a combination of spoils of war and Saudi urging spiced with a bit of vendetta for Saddam trying to assasinate his father) to go in and topple the Baath once and for all.

If it was indeed in Saudi interest (at the same time rooting for Iran sanctions), they sorely miscalculated the follow on effects, (which wouldn't be the first time, recall what i wrote earlier about Saddam and bulwark against Iran), they most likely thought Sunni's would come on top again, but then Americans screwed up by disbanding post invasion, Iraqi police and army, and thus destroying the entire structure of the country, creating a vacuum in which various oufits sprung into existence.. Some of the same police and army personnel would later join remnants of Baath fighting to reestablish Iraq under their rule and some of these same Baathists are said to be behind ISIS.

So you agree this mess is partly to be blamed on the West and it's policy of interference.

Or you should just reply to the point or keep quiet if you just cant do that. And dont preach me what to do....since pakistan has lot more problems than India and still you are here in this thread lecturing me. I say it again...reply to the point and if you are incompetent to do that, just stay quiet.

I know what Pakistan is and realistic about its situation. Unlike you and many Indians who come to Pakistan defense forum and lecture us. When at the same time your people are in abject poverty with countless issues.( my country is slightly less worse off than yours. Grow up) I hope you can see the difference between us and if I responded to every retarded comment from an Indian. I would be here all day and lose my sanity. It's amazing with the amount of Indians on here that they might only be 4 decent indian members

 

[StormShadow]

I know what Pakistan is and realistic about its situation. Unlike you and many Indians who come to Pakistan defense forum and lecture us. When at the same time your people are in abject poverty with countless issues.( my country is slightly less worse off than yours. Grow up) I hope you can see the difference between us and if I responded to every retarded comment from an Indian. I would be here all day and lose my sanity. It's amazing with the amount of Indians on here that they might only be 4 decent indian members

Again not a single word which is relevant. As I said, if you cant reply...just stay calm.