"Why would you recognize their government? They weren't a benefit to you."
No. That is correct. The Taliban government of Afghanistan was no benefit to any nation on earth save the KSA, UAE, and yourselves.
Consider that fact closely.
"However the druglords, rapists, and warlords of the Karzai government are a benefit to you and while there are some pockets of criticism heard from America now and then you do recognize them."
As they are to virtually every country on the globe including the forty nations now there in support of the U.N. mandate and even your ally, the PRC.
As they also are to the Government of Pakistan who also recognizes the GoA and has formal relations with the present government of Afghanistan-while duplicitously supporting the deposed regime.
As to the snide "
druglords, rapists, and warlords" part, what makes you think the taliban are any better? Everybody knows the bald facts of opium under their regime and opium now in the areas that they control like southern Helmand. They've been knee-deep in dope and still are. In point of fact, there are no bigger druglords, warlords, and rapists than they. Sheer and pathetic equivocation.
Let us be clear-while waging their war against the foreign "
oppressors" behind the U.N. mandate, the afghan taliban manage to kill afghan civilians by a rate of 2:1 against those fire-power crazed westerners. They target these people and they use them for human shields.
"I don't know what real value does it even have once you grant them TERRITORY. Pakistan made the same mistake in Swat and it all lasted what 2 weeks? You don't give territory to Taliban."
What territory? The U.S. government has no authority to "
grant" the taliban any lands belonging to another sovereign nation. Hekmatyar has an offer to be rehabilitated in KSA and re-enter the afghan political mainstream. That's it and it isn't an immediate thing nor is it likely that he'll accept...
...yet.
He's a card-player and remains on the outside looking in with the cozy thingy Omar and Haqqani have with your boys.
"The "Not us" part is something no one really believes. The puppets follow the puppeteer."
Agreed. Our puppet carries the endorsement of forty nations and ourselves along with a U.N. mandate to make things there better. Your taliban puppets have no cachet of moral and legal authority behind them and represent a demonstrated threat to mankind.
"I know America has done well to maintain plausible deniablity, but this is not a court of law and people can always go 'booooo'"
Deny what? That we are involved in an enterprise with the rest of mankind to raise forth the afghan state? This was a monstrously huge effort to achieve even without an externally-directed insurgency. There's no denying that we're extending every effort to make an afghan government that can respond to the needs of its people. Given the endemic issues, the prospects have always been difficult.
Don't be so holier-than-thou from across the Durand Line. Pakistan experiences many of the same difficult issues to raise forth FATA and NWFP even were it not also dealing with an insurgency. This swath of land is a hugely impoverished region that is, for the first time, in the global spotlight and positioned to benefit from such were it not for this proxy war.
"I make no apologies in the use of underhanded tactics."
You should. Your "
underhanded tactics" are killing the afghan people and the soldiers of ISAF.
"Afghanistan is a playground for India and Pakistan."
This is a cynical description of the misery experienced by the afghans at your amusement's expense. Your
"underhanded tactics" are a direct function of, and clear reflection that Pakistan cannot compete with India for Afghanistan's favor on the accepted planes of competition, i.e. diplomacy and economics. Thus you've resorted to proxy war via your pashtu vehicle.
That pashtu vehicle was your second mistake. In short-sightedly seeking to appease your own tribal pashtus, you have ignored and rejected any opportunity to build meaningful rapport throughout ALL of Afghanistan. In short, you've made enemies of the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkomen, and Hazara that comprise the bare majority of Afghans.
Not smart as it's left you riding your pashtu vehicle in the only manner you can-war. Why war? Because your favored pashtus won't even participate in a democracy. Ask Omar if you don't believe.
Underhanded tactics indeed. India has established a SUPERB reputation among both afghans and foreign governments in Afghanistan. They aren't up to jack-sh!t and don't have to be. You guys make them look like gold just building roads.
This is not missed among the afghans.
"As long as India has the full support (and now we are routinely arresting and televising arrested Indians who are confessing to have been trained and funded by RAW) of American forces to support the TTP, we are going to go after the TTP first."
Nasty. Neither is India engaged with the TTP from anything tangible other than your spurious claims but they WOULDN'T have the support of American forces were it so.
I remain continually fascinated by the desperate ignorance of Pakistanis about all the other nations whom are dying at the hands of Pakistan's choices. You only mention America. Do you suppose that others do not care? Do you suppose that others would not report the Indians were they to see something? Do you suppose that all those media that freely run about Afghanistan but can't in Pakistan would keep their mouths shut to such a huge story? The NGOs that are there-none have a word to say about Indian duplicity.
Where is this proof from sources we can trust further than the interrogation cells of the Pakistani intelligence services? Your T.V. interviews are all meant for internal consumption.
The Indians are soooo far ahead of you in your playground. They build roads. You make war with "
underhanded tactics". The Indians are playing by the accepted rules and winning. You wish to change the game as you won't accept the playing field the rest of us recognize as appropriate-economy and diplomacy.
"Once you leave an anti-Pakistan government would open doors to Indian armed forces in Afghanistan."
Self-fulfilling prophecy that is the result of your own short-sightedness should it come to pass. You make war upon the GoA. What do you expect?
"When that happens we'll be getting bombed from both sides in the event of war."
You are making war now against my nation and others with proxy armies. This will eventually lead to a very bad end for Pakistan if it persists and India may well be the least of your concerns.
"Whenever that happens, we need allies in Afghanistan that can take over Afghanistan to prevent a doomsday scenario for Pakistan."
Pakistan will never have an Afghan taliban government in power again that won't lead to Pakistan's destruction in one form or fashion. Your "
allies" will turn on you. The afghan taliban see no difference between their ambitions for Afghanistan and the TTPs ambitions for Pakistan and will assist them. They will also assist A.Q.
They won't be the only allies whom turn on Pakistan either.
I do not believe that Afghanistan can be stabilized successfully so long as Pakistan supports the taliban with protected sanctuary. Our choices are to admit defeat to your strategy and withdraw or recognize that your intent and ours are diametrically opposed and make open war upon you as final resolution to an intractable dilemma-loggerheads, if you will.
If we withdraw, we will be vulnerable-as will Pakistan, to the instability wrought from an afghan taliban regime again in power along with the A.Q. associates. Once attacked again from this region, I can't imagine that we'll repeat the same process.
You can draw your own conclusions but it doesn't look promising either way for Pakistan.
Thanks.
