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Serving Brigadier arrested for suspected links with Hizbut Tahrir

Look - who issues the list of 'banned organizations' in Pakistan?

The interior ministry, correct?

So those of you who consider the HuT to be 'innocent and harmless' can petition the 'elected representatives' to reverse the listing against the HuT - that is what the electorate is supposed to do, raise their concerns, through the media or whatever other means they have, about issues and get the politicians to act accordingly.

If the politicians don't listen, vote them out, and if the next set doesn't listen, vote them out too - then they'll get the message and fall in line.

Of course, for that to work we need an independent Election Commission, judiciary and largely free and fair elections.
 
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don't jump on guns guys he is arrested for investigation still he is not found guilty .when he will proved to do some thing against Pakistan army or Pakistani interest then bash on him . you can not bash on a solder still he is innocent like any one here.
 
Those things happen all the time, and typically are handled quietly in the Army through disciplinary processes and, if necessary, dismissal from service/Court Martials.

This is something that is considered normal in any professional military - discipline has to be maintained. Soldiers and junior officers should not be going around bad mouthing their superiors. It is very unlikely that the Army would publicize this particular incident as a 'terrorist sympathiser case' over a simple disciplinary issue.

Army didnt make it public till today bytheway,
 
who gives army the right to tourture and kill children of swat?execution style?they get away with it in swat becasue the population is pushtun but when a urdu speaker shot by paramilitary a brach of army they are taken to custudy?you should call that video shot by the journalist in karachi of killing of the youth by soliders as propaganda as well.whats the difference in the videos?apart from the victims one is urdu speaker and others are pashto speakers

KPK is against all such banned terrorist organizations and any people associated to them in anyways or promoting terrorist organization(s) on any platform. I am a Pushtun and I have good inside information, Army has doing a great Job and continue to do so to swiftly wipe out all sort of infestations. There is absolutely nothing so called urdu/pusho speaking hate that is just a delusional story line of people like you who support banned organizations for some imaginary world war not going to happen. What your men did in swat to our soldiers and what your men and people of like mindedness are doing across KPK is horrendous in nature mad men and they are mostly from pushtun backgrounds coming from afghanistan or the trible belts so what do you have to say about those pushtuns??

Well I am sick your version of islam and let me post a verse out of Quran that fit you and your men or people who promote terrorist and terrorism.

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And when it is said to them, “Do not cause corruption on the earth,” they say, “We are but reformers.”
 
Maj. Gen Athar Abbas live on dawn news speaking on the issue with Talat Hussain..!
 
The Executive Jack Azz , Kiyani has done it again; Embarrassed the whole military. Even if the Brig in question had any links with extremist organization there was no need to publicize that out loud, Such news should remain in dark, now they have provided a reason for the whole world to believe that ''western apprehensions were accurate and we do have extremist elements in our Armed forces'' Kiyani and his minions lack foresight to predict the consequences of their actions, Now Kiyani will be smooched by his American counterparts but the institution of military will be defamed.
As I pointed out, the step to disclose such incidents and investigations is a welcome one, provided it is done in a manner that does not jeoperdize the investigations.

The military is under a lot of criticizm for not being 'accountable' and having 'extremist sympathisers' - these kinds of details will reassure many people that the military is taking action against its own officers and soldier who are found violating the law/rules.

It is a good development.
 
The Executive Jack Azz , Kiyani has done it again; Embarrassed the whole military. Even if the Brig in question had any links with extremist organization there was no need to publicize that out loud, Such news should remain in dark, now they have provided a reason for the whole world to believe that ''western apprehensions were accurate and we do have extremist elements in our Armed forces'' Kiyani and his minions lack foresight to predict the consequences of their actions, Now Kiyani will be smooched by his American counterparts but the institution of military will be defamed.
Why should that info remain hidden? If there is any officer who violates code of conduct of PA should be made public, to pretend that we are not dual face people and any culprit is dealt accordingly.

The problem starts when you try to paint 'whole' institution with same brush.

This will further dignify our army that we dont have any extremists in our army, if there are any, will be convicted.
 
i do respect you for fighting and protecting us with the will of Allah.but can you elaborate what you mean by the post you should convince with the power o argument.and can you elaborate about the videos which i am talking about on you tube about the execution of 15 year old blind folded?and about beating of 90 year old men draging on streets?why are those officers not punished?why this 1?i am not here to argue i am here to find the truth

Those were isolated incidents of anger boiling over. These men have seen their brothers in arms being butchered followed by gross mutilation of their bodies. Any person they killed MUST have been some one very active. We had an elderly Talib in Bajaur agency who urinated and defecated on the bodies of our dead. When he surrendered to us, public favour was in favour of his execution but we restrained ourselves. Soon after he was killed by the Taliban themselves. In these few incidents, it just so happened that good sense took a back seat. These two videos do not represent this vast campaign.
 
The brigadier would be hanged. Its good. Same thing was happening in pre 71'.

You obviously have very little knowledge of the Military Judicial System. The punishment at it's most severe will be court-martial and up to 10 years imprisonment.
 
Good NYT article quoting Pakistani analysts on the arrest and its implications;

Pakistan Detains Senior Officer on Suspicion of Militant Ties​

By SALMAN MASOOD


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A serving brigadier general in the Pakistani Army has been detained on suspicion of links with an extremist group, according to an army spokesman.

The detention of the officer, Brig. Gen. Ali Khan, raises serious concerns about the infiltration of elements sympathetic to Islamic extremists in the higher ranks of the army. While the lower ranks of the army, air force and navy have long been known to have elements sympathetic to the Taliban and extremist organizations, the arrest of General Khan is the first known arrest of a senior army official.

News of his detention comes at a sensitive time for the army, when morale in its ranks is at a historical ebb after the May 2 night raid by United States commandos that killed Osama bin Laden, and after an attack on Pakistan’s largest naval base by militants who appear to have had inside assistance.

General Khan was serving at the General Headquarters of the Pakistan Army in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, outside the capital, Islamabad. He was picked up for questioning by the Special Investigative Branch of the Pakistan Army on May 6, but the announcement of the arrest was made Tuesday after an army spokesman confirmed that he had been detained to the BBC Urdu Web site.

Maj. Gen Athar Abbas, the spokesman, confirmed the detention to The New York Times, saying General Khan had links with Hizb-ut-Tahrir, a group that is banned in Pakistan.

Hizb-ut-Tahrir identifies itself as an Islamist party, which rejects democracy and is striving to establish a Muslim caliphate, or global Islamic empire, and is active in over 40 countries, according to its Web site. Hizb-ut-Tahrir claims to be nonviolent and different from Al Qaeda but operates in a gray area where global jihadi sympathies lurk.

The group has managed to maintain its presence in Pakistan despite being outlawed by the government of former President Pervez Musharraf. It follows a strategy of recruiting members from the urban, educated and professional segments of the society and is also known to have spread its influence in the ranks of the military in recent years.

Apart from organizing underground meetings and seminars, the group has used text messages on cellphones and social networking sites to spread its message. A recent text message sent out by the media office of Hizb-ut-Tahrir on June 9 stated: “Remove the traitors amongst the civilian and military leadership. Fulfill your obligation by establishing Khilafah,” meaning the caliphate.

A 2010 letter by the group urged the members of the country’s armed forces to revolt against the country’s top civilian and military leadership for their alliance with the United States.

Despite media reports and anecdotal evidence of Hizb-ut-Tahrir’s growing penetration of the ranks of the Pakistani military, there has been no apparent effort at a purge. It remains unclear if the arrest of the serving general would lead to more arrests.

General Khan was posted for the last two years at the army’s general headquarters in the regulations directorate, which mainly deals with the human resource management issues of the army. He comes from a military background and has relatives and immediate family members serving in the army.

Shabbir Ahmad, a brother of the detained general, denied in an interview that his brother had links with Hizb-ur-Tahrir or any other extremist organization. “Just to please America and to fool the Pakistani people, such allegations have been leveled against him,” he said. “He did nothing wrong and just had a religious bent.”

Mr. Ahmad said that General Khan had gone to the United States for higher military training seven to eight years ago, but that he had been denied a promotion because of his religious leanings. General Khan had spent 33 years in the army and was a decorated officer, he said.

“He was due to retire next month,” Mr. Ahmad added. “What could he do in the next fifteen or so days?”

He said no charges had been filed by the army authorities, who have told the family that investigations are ongoing.

Analysts said the arrest was exceptional and could indicate new resolve on the part of the military to weed out extremists, at least in the higher ranks, though the extent of the problem — and the military’s ultimate response to it — remained unclear.

“At this high level, this is rather an isolated incident,” said Syed Riffat Hussain, a military and political analyst based in Islamabad. “There were a lot of people who were under surveillance after the 2009 attack on the General Headquarters and after the recent attack on the naval base in Karachi. This arrest shows that the army is turning inward.”

“There has been mounting concern about what has been known as ‘inside threat,’ ” said Mr. Hussain, who also heads the department of defense and strategic studies at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad.

“By announcing this arrest, the army has shown its resolve to fight extremism. There is a greater sense of transparency,” he said.

Talat Masood, a retired lieutenant general and a military analyst based in Islamabad, said: “The arrest shows that the allegations made by the United States have come true but in a way, the arrest is good news also as it shows that the army is now moving against such elements.”

“There have been incidents in the past when one or two odd guys have been found involved in acts against the state,” said General Masood. “If it’s an odd phenomenon and has been detected then it is good news. The arrest reflects on the discipline of the army even if it is an isolated incident. But if there are more officers with such affiliations, then it is very serious and the army leadership would have to move very carefully.”

General Masood said the arrest would force the military to reexamine its vetting process for the higher ranks, much on the lines that security clearance is given to personnel working for the country’s nuclear program.

“The military would also have to assess how much damage has been done by the permeation of such elements in the rank and file,” General Masood said.

General Masood said the arrest and its subsequent developments would be a litmus test of the military’s seriousness to bring to justice those officers who violate its discipline. “It is very important how the military handles this case and announces a punishment for the indiscipline,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/world/asia/22pakistan.html
 
Im brown, but what does that have to do with experience ?

Looks like you thought about your skin color, I was talking about the color in your id, I can see that it is now black. So some moderator read what I wrote.
 
Looks like you thought about your skin color, I was talking about the color in your id, I can see that it is now black. So some moderator read what I wrote.

I was going to change his user group a few months ago, but forgot because I had other commitments.
 

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